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Saddam Knew 9/11 Was Coming and Colluded with OBL for a Decade
Various | April 30, 2004 | Vanity

Posted on 04/30/2004 10:23:00 AM PDT by Peach

In an effort to put in one place all the reasons why I/we think that Saddam Hussein worked actively with Osama Bin Laden, I am starting a thread which can be saved and added to over time.

We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming.

less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; connections; goaway; hussein; jihadinamerica; okcbombing; osamabinladen; saddam; waronterror
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I had a computer crash and lost the link to that Iraqi state run newspaper article; if anyone has it please ping me.
1 posted on 04/30/2004 10:23:05 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The AQ connection (excellent):http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Western Nightmare: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's link to OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Document linking them: http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

A federal judge rules there are links:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts

Iraq and Iran contact OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts

More evidence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ connection: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Further connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

2 posted on 04/30/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Admin Moderator
Could you please leave this in breaking news for a bit so it gets wide coverage?

The issue is becoming a political football again, even on FR, and I think the more people who understand the links Saddam had with OBL, the more steadfast people will be regarding the fighting in Iraq.
3 posted on 04/30/2004 10:26:03 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Bookmarked, and thanks for this, Peach.
4 posted on 04/30/2004 10:30:07 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Peach
Hey. In 1998 the Clinton administration officially stated that bin Laden and al Qaeda were cooperating with Iraq on weapons development as outlined in an indictment against bin Laden for the African Embassy bombings.
5 posted on 04/30/2004 10:30:49 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Peach
Thanks for taking the time to put this all together!
6 posted on 04/30/2004 10:31:56 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Peach
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Remember the Lost and Suffering on September 11, 2001

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33







HILLARY and TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts

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7 posted on 04/30/2004 10:31:56 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Peach
I likewise have been keeping links of articles regarding the relationship between the two. I also have a few outside contacts in the spec. ops. community, and they provide me bits and pieces now and then.
8 posted on 04/30/2004 10:33:04 AM PDT by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: tallhappy
Thanks for the links. I'd like to see as many posted here as we can find over time.
9 posted on 04/30/2004 10:33:17 AM PDT by Peach
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Saddam may have had links with Al Queda. But it should not matter at all. Is Al Queda the only terrorist group in the world? Is the US fighting a war on just Al Queda or on all terrorism? Iraq was a terrorist state even before 9/11.

The debate over whether or not Saddam had links to Al Queda may have some justification, but Americans should not be obsessed with it. The left makes these arguments all the time like "Saddam had no link to Al Queda." It doesn't matter at all if he did or did not. We know for a fact Saddam had links to terrorists. And this is a war on terrorism.

Looking and looking into the debate over Saddam and his links to Al Queda just to satisfy the left and others is a waste of time. If people believe in the war on terrorism, then Saddam's regime was a justified target. If they don't believe that Saddam was a justified target by the US as part of its war on terrorism, then they do not believe in the war on terrorism.

10 posted on 04/30/2004 10:34:06 AM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: GarySpFc
Anytime you can share, we'd love to hear, but we understand the need for secrecy.

The one thing I do want to know, does the Bush administration EVER plan to use the linkages between OBL and Saddam?
11 posted on 04/30/2004 10:34:21 AM PDT by Peach
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To: yonif
It is a matter of interest, not obsession, although I do think if we can take away the leftist argument that the war in Iraq has taken us away from the war on terror, it will only do the administration good.

That Iraq supported the PLO and others is beyond debate. That Saddam cooperated at some level with OBL is beyond debate. But too few people know about that cooperation.
12 posted on 04/30/2004 10:35:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

From US State Department

13 posted on 04/30/2004 10:36:44 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: All
Richard Clarke used to believe in an Iraq/AQ connection:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2097901/
14 posted on 04/30/2004 10:37:56 AM PDT by Peach
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Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts
15 posted on 04/30/2004 10:39:10 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
You are correct. It is why it should be more of a wholesome proof of the terrorism, and not just proving links between Saddam and Al Queda, as if Al Queda was the only terrorist group, and by that fact the US going into Iraq was part of the war on terrorism.
16 posted on 04/30/2004 10:39:47 AM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: Peach
Report details Saddam's support for terrorists who killed Americans (March 2004, NewsMax)

Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1
17 posted on 04/30/2004 10:40:40 AM PDT by Peach
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To: All
Found the the link and quote from the Iraqi newspaper pre 9/11:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1
18 posted on 04/30/2004 10:41:39 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Remember Salman Pak!
19 posted on 04/30/2004 10:41:48 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Peach
This thread was already started with that in mind: "Saddam's Fingerprints on N.Y. Bombings" (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
20 posted on 04/30/2004 10:42:01 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: yonif
One of the original WTC terrorists was granted refuge in Iraq and we've since discovered Iraqi Intelligence papers there (following liberation) that confirm he was an operative that was granted sanctuary upon his return.
21 posted on 04/30/2004 10:43:18 AM PDT by Steven W.
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Colin Powell - SADDAM WORKED WITH AL QAEDA FOR YEARS:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
22 posted on 04/30/2004 10:43:20 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Steven W.
Yup. Indeed Iraq was a terrorist state.
23 posted on 04/30/2004 10:44:29 AM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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Author Richard Miniter on The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections
(September 2003):

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
24 posted on 04/30/2004 10:45:19 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
UN Oil for food scandal seen as Iraq tie to Al Qaeda (June 2003):

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts
25 posted on 04/30/2004 10:46:48 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Darth Reagan
ping
26 posted on 04/30/2004 10:47:26 AM PDT by marblehead17
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To: All
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact
27 posted on 04/30/2004 10:48:03 AM PDT by Peach
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Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):


http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016
28 posted on 04/30/2004 10:49:09 AM PDT by Peach
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To: tallhappy
Thank you, tallhappy.

I have dozen's more links but need to take a break for a bit. BBL
29 posted on 04/30/2004 10:49:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Sorry to be blunt, but anybody who really doesn't think Hussein had links to Bin Laden is a moron. Religion has nothing to do with it.

Moot point anyhow. Hussein never abided by the terms of the cease fire from the first Gulf War. Bang - he's gone.
30 posted on 04/30/2004 10:52:37 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Peach
Thanks for putting it all together!
31 posted on 04/30/2004 10:53:36 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Peach
Rush just addressed the 'wavering support' issue a few minutes ago when a caller raised it.
32 posted on 04/30/2004 10:54:43 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Steven W.
I can't find it but there was an article in a British newspaper suggesting that Abu Nidal was involved in training Mohammed Atta in Baghdad prior to the 9/11 attacks. I have never seen this refuted here.
33 posted on 04/30/2004 10:54:59 AM PDT by GmbyMan (John Kerry-America's first Flip Flopper Hip Hopper!)
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To: Peach
Thanks for posting this, Peach. Bookmarked!
34 posted on 04/30/2004 10:56:33 AM PDT by GmbyMan (John Kerry-America's first Flip Flopper Hip Hopper!)
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To: Peach
bumped for later investigation and perusal.
35 posted on 04/30/2004 10:57:09 AM PDT by Darth Reagan
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To: VeniVidiVici
I am starting this thread to have one place for all the information.

Also, many people don't know or understand the connections (hard as that is to believe for me too)

And, we have some freepers (I use the term loosely) who jump on every thread and "hijack" it to convince the lurkers and uninformed that there is NO connection.

They are not Bush supporters and are working actively against him.
36 posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:11 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. It is important and I wish the President would better tie bin Laden to Iraq and quiet the critics.
37 posted on 04/30/2004 11:08:15 AM PDT by Dolphy (I joined the redlipstick boycott of MSNBC)
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Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts

Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html

Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

US Government - Bin Laden and Saddam Agree to Cooperate on Weapons Development, NYT, November 1998


38 posted on 04/30/2004 11:11:36 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Good Job! *BUMP*!
39 posted on 04/30/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: Peach
Thanks for the links, Peach. We have a local chat site and this site is starting to be overrun by teenagers who seem to think the war is all a scam(to much MTV). There are also a few older people on there who do their best to take pot shots at the President and administration over this war. I'll bookmark this and have some good info to feed them.
40 posted on 04/30/2004 11:23:10 AM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: Peach
Bookmarked. Thanks for posting this!!
41 posted on 04/30/2004 11:23:52 AM PDT by syriacus (If getting 3 Purple Hearts got Kerry OUT of Vietnam, returning them should have sent him back.)
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To: Peach
Bin Laden family evacuated from US on 9/11 Of course, a Google of "Bin Laden Family + Bush + 911" returns over 28000 websites...
42 posted on 04/30/2004 11:31:14 AM PDT by Blzbba
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Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts

No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8

The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts

A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html

Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml

Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts

The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts

Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts



43 posted on 04/30/2004 11:35:14 AM PDT by Peach
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To: yonif
The debate over whether or not Saddam had links to Al Queda may have some justification, but Americans should not be obsessed with it.

I couldn't possibly agree more, it may even be harmful to our cause.

There is no need for there to be a pre-9-11 link between Saddam and al-Qaida in order to justify the Iraq war. If there is a lesson from 9-11, it is that neither WMD nor state sponsorship is required to wreak devastation upon Americans on American soil. The Left surely hasn't grasped this lesson, but could we take the chance that Saddam didn't either?

Saddam had motive. He was humiliated by us in '91, and had already demonstrated in the attempted assassination of a former president, his willingness to strike at us in a clandestine manner. What's more, he represented the symbol of Arab power, and no scenario whereby terror can be said to be dealt with properly could ensue which didn't include his removal from power.

44 posted on 04/30/2004 11:41:06 AM PDT by wayoverontheright (Hidetheweeniespeak-the native tongue of liberals.)
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To: Peach
Saved. Thanks, Peach.
45 posted on 04/30/2004 12:21:33 PM PDT by lysie (Accumulating FRequent FReeper miles.)
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To: Peach
I agree there are links, but Saddam out on the street after the 911 attacks, celebrating was enough proof for me.
46 posted on 04/30/2004 1:03:32 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: Peach
Text from one of my previous posts (on a thread you initiated), link at the bottom contains original links to articles:

In in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.”

FR Post

Please note for the record that Qusay Hussein ran the state run newspaper, which guarantees that Saddam knew in advance.

47 posted on 04/30/2004 1:22:51 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Peach
index !
48 posted on 04/30/2004 1:26:09 PM PDT by smonk
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To: wayoverontheright
Okay...then what about 1993 WTC and OKC bombing?

Yousef and Nichols crossed paths in the Phillipines. Mohammed was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

They were ALL linked and the American people deserve the truth.

49 posted on 04/30/2004 1:27:38 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Peach
Yossef Bodansky, Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America, 361:

The moment [Clinton's 1998] bombing campaign stopped, Saddam Hussein dispatched Faruq al-Hijazi to Qandahar. . .In Qandahar, Hijazi met with bin Laden to discuss future terrorist strikes against the United States. . .Bin Laden agreed in principle to spearhead the revenge campaign against the West in accordance with the recently agreed to operational plans but suggested further study and coordination of specific contingency plans and proposed operations. Both sides agreed on the urgent imperative to expedite the unleashing of the anti-American terrorist war.

50 posted on 04/30/2004 1:52:05 PM PDT by Fedora
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