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Too much skin showing at school?
Chicago Daily Herald ^ | April 28, 2004

Posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:07 AM PDT by presidio9

Malena Schroeder is fed up.

She's fed up with high school students wearing visible thong underwear, blue jeans that droop low on the hips or skimpy blouses that show - in her opinion - too much skin.

A Mundelein High School District 120 board member who also regularly volunteers at the school, Schroeder doesn't consider herself prudish. But she's tired of walking through the school hallways and seeing provocatively dressed kids who look like they popped out of a racy music video.

"If I'm an adult and I'm distracted, I can only imagine what effect it might have on teenagers in that environment," she said.

During a board meeting earlier this week, Schroeder called for administrators to more stringently enforce the facility's dress code or adopt stricter rules that could include uniforms. She received support from other trustees and from audience members who applauded her request.

The proposal also was backed by Superintendent Stan Fields, who promised a committee will study the issue.

"There's something to be said for preparing students for life after high school and (teaching) appropriate grooming habits and dress habits," Fields said. "It's pretty difficult to get a job when your rear end is hanging out."

Mundelein isn't the only suburban high school wrestling with dress-code concerns. Wauconda High School and the other schools in Wauconda Unit District 118 tightened clothing policies for the 2003-04 term, banning belly-baring tops, low-rise pants and other revealing garments.

Similar rules have been adopted in recent years at high schools in Buffalo Grove, Naperville, St. Charles and other towns.

Public-school dress codes, including those requiring students wear uniforms, are legal under Illinois and federal laws. Although courts have ruled garments with political slogans are protected by the First Amendment, educators can restrict the size or style of student clothing.

"You have the right to free expression. You probably don't have the right to show off your belly ring," said Ed Yohnka, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Illinois.

Mundelein High updated its dress code in 2002. Among the restrictions is a rule requiring clothes cover all skin and underwear between the armpit and mid-thigh.

Violators can be asked to change into more appropriate clothes or wear a baggy Mundelein High T-shirt over offending garments, school spokeswoman Kelley Happ said. On "rare occasions," she said, some are sent home.

Schroeder, who has two teenagers enrolled at Mundelein, believes those rules aren't properly enforced. Too many times she's seen students with pants that don't cover their underwear or whose shirts reveal skin at the midriff.

"It's become the norm," she said. "There's a time and a place for that kind of dress. It shouldn't be school attire."

If parents can't control what their kids wear, Schroeder said, school administrators or the board must step in and make sure teens are dressed appropriately. If that means stronger enforcement of the existing dress code or the adoption of uniforms, she said, so be it.

"It's our responsibility to make sure that our kids can focus and have some decorum," Schroeder said.

Mundelein High junior Stephanie Urban thinks officials who want to crack down on dress-code abuses are overreacting. Students dress better than they used to, she said.

Jessy Wisniewski, another junior, likes to wear shorts or skirts to school and said she has been sent home for sporting clothes considered too risque.

"I'm 16. I can legally drive. But people are going to tell me (what's) appropriate for school?" she said. "I mean, I'm not coming to school dressed in a bikini."

Students who oppose uniforms may have a surprising ally: board President Thomas M.P. Hannigan, who thinks better enforcement of the existing code is the answer.

"My high school had a uniform. My grammar school had a uniform. And I don't think I learned any better because of that," Hannigan said. "I think we have a reasonable dress code. Before the school board jumps in and makes changes, let's see how an enforced dress code works."

Dress: Board president doesn't back uniforms


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To: SuziQ; kezekiel; Annie03
The clothes that are offered for teenage girls these days are awlful. We refused to buy most of them for our daughter, and she refused to wear anything from LL Bean or Land's End ( because WE wore clothes from them, making them taboo in teenage girl land), so we bought her a sewing machine.

She learned to sew so well that she just accepted an internship making costumes for a family theater company, and is planning to go to fashion design school in a few years. And I made her promise to design a line of DECENT and MODEST young girls clothing first thing.

151 posted on 04/30/2004 3:39:50 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Modernman; GRRRRR; fso301; TheBigB; Fierce Allegiance

There are schoolgirl uniforms, and then there are schoolgirl uniforms...

152 posted on 04/30/2004 3:39:53 PM PDT by presidio9 ("See, mother, I make all things new.")
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To: don-o
"Last time I went to the mall. I thought that the red light district had moved indoors."

LOL- sooooo true. I never go there to shop, just happened it was the only local theater showing the movie. That just cracked me up because it is so accurate....
153 posted on 04/30/2004 3:56:07 PM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Red Boots
"She learned to sew so well that she just accepted an internship making costumes for a family theater company, and is planning to go to fashion design school in a few years. And I made her promise to design a line of DECENT and MODEST young girls clothing first thing."

That is just fabulous. Good for you for putting your foot down, and good for you daughter's stunning accomplishment!


154 posted on 04/30/2004 3:59:51 PM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Skooz
Thanks Skooz, I do my best to enjoy every minute. I know that "suddenly", she will be a teenager. I'm girding my loins because she is already a drama queen - I can only imagine how it will be with the addition of hormones-lol. But right now she wants to be like mommy, and I'm wallowing in it while I can!
155 posted on 04/30/2004 4:35:45 PM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: All
Being a student at a high school (and rural, too!), I can, unfortunately, confirm these allegations. Being your typical teenage male, it's not ALL bad ;) - but still, it's been taken way too far.

Blame the liberals for destroying this country's ethics and morality. Blame Hollywood for peddling smut and glamourizing sex. Blame Hollywood again for promoting anorexia. It's sad, really...

156 posted on 04/30/2004 4:41:41 PM PDT by K1avg (What wold Savage do?)
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To: presidio9
MmMMMmMmmmmmmmmMmmmmmmmm.....Britney.
157 posted on 04/30/2004 4:45:00 PM PDT by TheBigB ("Any moment now, unspeakable horror! Trust me!" -Tom Servo)
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To: Skooz
No.

What is insane, are today's standards.
158 posted on 04/30/2004 4:59:06 PM PDT by NathanR (California Si! Aztlan NO!)
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To: presidio9
"I'm 16. I can legally drive. But people are going to tell me (what's) appropriate for school?"

Anyone who posts in Free Republic and doesn't see the pathetically extreme disconnect from reality in this statement, should stop posting.

Parenthetically, this might be the best argument for reconsidering allowing 16-year-olds to drive.

159 posted on 04/30/2004 4:59:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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To: Red Boots
She learned to sew so well that she just accepted an internship making costumes for a family theater company, and is planning to go to fashion design school

Good for her. Our daughter is homeschooled, so doesn't have the pressure from other girls to conform. But even when she WAS in school, she thought all that 'lastest fashion' stuff was stupid. Needless to say, she didn't have a lot of friends.

160 posted on 04/30/2004 5:09:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TheBigB
True story:

This morning I woke up to my wife pushing me and asking what time it was.

I was still asleep and dreaming, but I remember it went like this:

Wife (unknown person in dream): Who is that? (she really asked "what time is it?")
Me: Britney Spears.
Wife: (unknown person in dream): Who is that?
Me: BRITNEY......SPEARS!
Wife: What time is it?
Me: Uhh...uhhh.....5:50

For the life of me, I can't remember the dream I was having. But I have a good idea who was in it.
161 posted on 04/30/2004 5:29:48 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: rebel25
I agree with you. The problem is he made two distinct points: the first one blaming dress codes because they did not improve his education and the second which is to not change the dress code till it is enforced. My comment was directed at his stupid first point; the second I agree with and I believe you do too.
162 posted on 04/30/2004 5:31:42 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: mhking
Just 'cause they make it in your size, don't make it right for you to wear!

This thong stuff is idiocy at it's finest...I've spent 45 years trying to keep my undies OUT of my ass!

163 posted on 04/30/2004 5:56:28 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (Bush-Cheney 2004...By George, we've got ourselves a President!)
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To: Publius6961; All
Anyone who posts in Free Republic and doesn't see the pathetically extreme disconnect from reality in this statement, should stop posting

AAAAARRRGGHH AAHHHHHGGGG!! DisconnectION DISCONNECTION!!!! Disconnect is a VERB!!! This is an ACTION you TAKE! You DISCONNECT someone or something!!! The noun is DISCONNECTION!! DISCONNECTION!!!

God how our language is taking a beating!!! You might as well be speaking Swahili or Spanish!!!

And the word "data" is a plural noun. The proper usage is "the data say" not "the data says."

164 posted on 04/30/2004 6:45:00 PM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: mvpel
A very old photo of Katie Sandwina in late teens or early twenties. Proof you don't need to be a porker to avoid being skinny.
165 posted on 04/30/2004 7:55:09 PM PDT by judywillow
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To: m87339
Hmmmmmmmm.
OK.

Take your pills, man.

166 posted on 04/30/2004 10:10:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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To: Publius6961
Take your pills, man

ahem.

Perhaps my reaction was little over the top.

But this was not like "loose" or "series." Too many people beleve that "disconnnect" is acceptable as a noun. This is another skirmish in the overall assault on the English language. "Disconnect" as a noun is up there with "defensed" as a word or "out of pocket" in place of "unavailable."

Silly jargon is frequently used to make under-educated people appear to be "sophisticated." When I interview people and I hear them use "disconnect" as a noun, I immediately "disconnect" them from the job opportunity. There have been three prospects which I have disconnected from potential employment in the last year as a result of their cavalier attitude.

Either proper English matters or it doesn't. I am in a profession which abuses our language on a regular basis. But I will not be a willing participant in this degeneration. I suggest you do the same.

167 posted on 04/30/2004 10:25:50 PM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: m87339
Man, I'd hate to work for someone as tightly-wound as you, considering that "disconnect" as a noun appears in the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Main Entry: 2disconnect
Function: noun
: a lack of or break in connection, consistency, or agreement

Get over it already1. This isn't France.


1Main Entry: al·ready
Pronunciation: ol-'re-dE, 'ol-"
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English al redy, from al redy, adjective, wholly ready, from al all + redy ready
2 -- used as an intensive [all right already] [enough already]

168 posted on 05/01/2004 6:49:38 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: judywillow
As long as you have a whale-bone corset and someone to haul it closed for you. :-D
169 posted on 05/01/2004 6:53:48 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: mvpel
LOL -- you footnoted the wrong usage of "already" -- you were using the second one.

I'm really not that tightly wound -- it's that I am watching English degenrate into a gutter language. M/W is no help -- they keep putting slang in.

My point is that as the language degenerates it becomes more difficult to communicate since the words now mean what the author want them to mean -- they have no intrinsic meaning.

Look at how Klintoon manipulated the word "is." The word "hero" is gone now -- and there is no replacement. How do I describe a "hero" now? I have no word.

If we already had a perfect noun for "disconnect" why allow another one? This isn't simply a matter of a synonym -- this is an exact match and is lingustically redundant.

Oh well -- it is a loosing battle. I guest it just aint that series.

btw: good morning.

170 posted on 05/01/2004 8:46:35 AM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: Agnes Heep
Three of the most useless things in the world: boobs on a dyke, balls on a fag, and the opinion of a teenager.

I was thinking the same thing (about the teenager), but the colorful way in which you expressed the idea is priceless!
172 posted on 05/01/2004 9:21:04 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: elfman2
I remember tube tops too. I hated the way they squashed your boobs...and the needed to be pulled up constantly. Halter tops were much more flattering.
173 posted on 05/01/2004 9:24:10 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: Xenalyte
"I'm five-ten, but I have a smaller frame than I appear to. When I'm an honest 10, which is about 135 for me (so maybe 15 or 20 pounds to go), the designers I like think I'm an 8, and that works just fine."

I'm five-six, small frame. When I'm at 125 or so I wear an 8 when I buy moderately or inexpensively priced clothing, say J.C. Penney, Target. I can fit comfortably into a 6 in the pricier, designer lines of clothing.
174 posted on 05/01/2004 9:36:12 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: kezekiel
I personally believe it is because those who design clothes for women are sex obsessed (and many are degenerates, sexually) with absolutely no moral grounding or respect for our Republic, so they promote debauchery and licentiousness, sexual amorality and self-worship, and exploit the sexual vulnerability of young people. Teens years are especially competitive, and now it is all about sexual competition, displaying one's 'equipment' with a come hither style. Conflicting that is the obsequious liberal crap of 'you must stop at 'NO' and 'homosexuality is a normal alternate sexual choice'. To put it another way, degenerates are determining the direction of our society as the family unit falls to 'diversity' and hedonistic pursuits by parents, fueled by the degenerates who profit from the planned decline.

I was in Wal Mart yesterday. A likely pretty young teen girl and her friend sauntered down one isle dressed in clothing that smacked of trolling for sex to raise the cash to make their next crack cocaine buy. It is difficult to see them as wholesome when they advertise degeneracy, but their clothing is being designed and marketed by degenerates, so it is to be expected.

175 posted on 05/01/2004 9:54:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: fso301
I still haven't seen enough pictures of scantily clad highschool girls to convince me there's a problem.

It's one thing if they have the right shape for the low cut pants --- but many of the highschool girls here are working on baby-number-two --- stretch mark-city and maternity bellies hanging out of the low-cut pants --- with thongs. It's gross. Then their 30 years plus mothers who look more like 50 also have the same clothes and even more stretch marks. You get the apple shaped women thinking they look sexy in these clothes.

176 posted on 05/01/2004 10:12:20 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: mvpel
I don't think a whale bone corset would have been necessary in that particular case. The woman in that picture was about 6-1, 225 - 230, and could put 300 lbs on a bar and do military presses with it.
177 posted on 05/01/2004 11:44:17 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: presidio9
Yeah, leave it to Britney to figure out how to make it look whorey.
178 posted on 05/01/2004 12:44:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: newgeezer
I said someone ought to kick the mouthy little sh*t's sorry #ss all the way back to Canada.

The ole kick his ass for Jesus thing. :-D

WE ARE NOT {punch} WARMONGERING {kick} IDIOTS {elbow drop} YOU CANADIAN {body slam] MF'en {gut kick} liberal {nother gut kick} BASTARD!!

When I was in school we had a Frenchie that needed the same thing. He was a major flake with his cute little scarf.

179 posted on 05/02/2004 8:54:31 AM PDT by biblewonk
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