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Sen. Kerry is a reincarnation of Stephen Douglas
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 5-1-2004 | Tom Roeser

Posted on 05/01/2004 2:45:59 AM PDT by Prince Charles

Sen. Kerry is a reincarnation of Stephen Douglas

May 1, 2004

BY THOMAS ROESER

He was ''personally opposed, but'' -- the nation's most prominent pro-choicer. A nationally known U.S. senator. Straddled the most divisive domestic issue of his day. Sought the presidency by flip-flopping to please all sides. Beset by clergymen he charged were mixing politics with religion. Married a controversial heiress whose vast holdings spurred severe criticism.

John Kerry? Sounds like him, but guess again.

It was Stephen A. Douglas, who served as Illinois senator for 14 years (1847-61). The biography of a flip-flopper by Robert Johannsen (Stephen A. Douglas, University of Illinois Press: 1997) takes on an even greater relevance in light of today's political struggle over war, abortion and other issues, where Kerry twists first one way, then another. Vermont-born Douglas mistakenly thought he could craft a middle-course solution to the slavery issue that could please powerful interests in the South as well as the North -- both of which he needed to get elected president. At first, Douglas played his street-smarts brilliantly: moving to Illinois, settling in Downstate Quincy, parlaying his scant legal training by winning election as Morgan County state's attorney. Then on to Illinois secretary of state, state House of Representatives, state Supreme Court justice and U.S. House before arriving at the U.S. Senate at age 34. Contrasted to the Douglas hare, Abraham Lincoln was a pathetically slow tortoise.

Along the way, Douglas married Martha Martin, whose father owned cotton plantations in North Carolina and Mississippi. The old man owned slaves and wanted to give the couple a plantation as a wedding present. No-no-no, said the senator, conscious of the political liability. Keep the ownership and will it to us at death. Then, with his fortune secure, Douglas burnished his Senate credentials and plotted for the presidency.

His prime task was to defuse the slavery issue of its political barbs. Sensing that his political future was with the abolition-prone North rather than pro-slavery Southern Illinois, he moved from Quincy to Chicago. When personally confronted with the issue, he said, ''I am not pro-slavery. I think it is a curse beyond computation to both white and black.'' But he opposed a constitutional amendment to either ban slavery or ratify it. Instead, he supported the public's right to choose. His idea: Let voters in territories decide whether new states would be pro- or anti-slavery. As chairman of the powerful Senate Committee on Territories, he spelled out his compromise for Kansas and Nebraska. It seemed genius-inspired for a waffler like Douglas. But his shifting stances pleased nobody.

Douglas soon found that he was distrusted by both sides. Northern abolitionists scorched Douglas for benefitting from slavery through his marriage, and for opposing a constitutional amendment banning it. Southerners clamored for repeal of laws that curtailed slavery's spread. Nor did the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision, which declared that blacks were not human, consigned to slavery, help Douglas: The decision was so pro-slavery it opposed pro-choice popular sovereignty. With the South and North, Douglas was always the man in the middle.

And always there were the clergymen. They unfurled a document 250 feet long signed by New England ministers protesting Douglas' pro-choice Kansas-Nebraska act. The signers, shouted Douglas, have ''desecrated the pulpit -- to the miserable and corrupting influence of party politics.'' He debated his Republican opponent Lincoln at Freeport, Ottawa, Galesburg, Quincy, Alton, Jonesboro and Charleston. Lanky Lincoln, who didn't seem as smooth as Douglas, gained strength with the changing electorate as the candidate who opposed slavery; Douglas, ''personally opposed -- but'' supporting voter choice. Douglas won re-election, but the emerging Lincoln was seen as the Northern man of the future.

Douglas' last hurrah was his presidential run in 1860. Lincoln received a minority of popular votes cast but won. At age 48, Douglas died in Chicago, burned out with flip-flops and contradictions -- the man who wanted to bargain with an issue that couldn't be compromised.

Not long ago John Kerry showed up in Ottawa to challenge President Bush to a series of debates like Lincoln-Douglas. A verbose fence-straddler, ''personally opposed to abortion -- but''; who voted ''for war -- but'', and who voted first for $87 billion for U.S. troops, then against it, Kerry resembles no one more than the hapless Stephen A. Douglas.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; debates; douglas; flipflop; godsgravesglyphs; greatestpresident; history; kerry; lincoln; lurch; thecivilwar

1 posted on 05/01/2004 2:46:00 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Prince Charles
Yee...owchh! thats gotta hurt.
2 posted on 05/01/2004 3:10:29 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Prince Charles
I compare him more with Benedict Arnold.
3 posted on 05/01/2004 3:38:44 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Prince Charles
Thanks...proves, "in history, humane nature doesn't change much" Kerry = Douglas...Hillary Rodham Klintoon = "PAPA JOE" Stalin
4 posted on 05/01/2004 3:42:46 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Prince Charles
Douglas' last hurrah was his presidential run in 1860. Lincoln received a minority of popular votes cast but won

And how often do you hear that when the Dems complain about Gore winning the popular vote.

Lincoln lost the popular vote too!

5 posted on 05/01/2004 3:43:38 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Prince Charles
Nice historical analogy and analysis!
6 posted on 05/01/2004 4:00:01 AM PDT by opocno
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To: Prince Charles
Lincoln showed his early genius when he pinned Douglas down on his "flip-flopping" at Freeport. Douglas claimed to support the Dred Scott decision, which basically would have made it impossible for the U.S. to end slavery by any means (denying BOTH the U.S. Constitution and "states' rights"). But Douglas also supported "popular sovereignty" (let the people of a territory choose to have slavery or not).

Lincoln said, "How can you reconcile these? Which do you support?" And Douglas said, a la Kerry, "both." Slavery should be legal, but if people don't want it, let them elect officials who won't enforce slavery. Lincoln then showed that this institutionalized a total disregard for all laws.

The South abandoned Douglas after he showed people how to "skate" around the law, and the North abandoned him because he supported slavery.

7 posted on 05/01/2004 4:16:51 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Prince Charles
If Douglas was known as "The Little Giant", can we call Kerry "The Giant Midget"?
8 posted on 05/01/2004 4:49:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Or, "The Giant Lurch?"
9 posted on 05/01/2004 5:10:06 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: ClearCase_guy; Prince Charles
The Giant Little?
10 posted on 05/01/2004 5:16:24 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (I absolutely hate despise abominate John Kerry's lies.)
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To: Prince Charles
Small point, but Kerry made the debate challenge in Quincy, not Ottawa. Ottawa was the site for the first Lincoln-Douglas debate, for those interested.

In Illinois, John Kerry Challenges President Bush to a Contest of Ideas

11 posted on 05/01/2004 5:23:03 AM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Prince Charles
Kerry specifically called for a series of debates in the style of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Obviously, Kerry sees himself as Lincoln. And just as obviously, the rest of us see him as Lurch.
12 posted on 05/01/2004 6:01:09 AM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: Prince Charles
Had history turned out a bit differently, Douglas might have married Mary Todd instead of Lincoln. He had been a suitor of hers and she was among the most popular debutantes in her social circle. Her family was fairly well off. Their Kentucky home sat next to that of the well-known Cassius Clay. With her emotional & mental problems, she could have been the Julia Thorne of her time. And with her caustic, slashing tongue, she could have been the Teresa Heinz of that day as well. Who knows how things would have gone. Mary might have been institutionalized or died earlier and Douglas free to divorce her and marry a new rich wife. Stranger things have happened.
13 posted on 05/01/2004 6:20:28 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Prince Charles
Ouch-- and I've been whispering that JohnKerry was Custer
reincarnate --only the luck of dying at the Little Bighorn,
and the pluck Custer showed when he was a decorated military
veteran is a might lacking as so much is in Kerry.
14 posted on 05/01/2004 8:00:14 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Prince Charles
reply #4..."PAPA UNCLE JOE".. :|
15 posted on 05/01/2004 8:12:51 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Prince Charles
I think there's a strong analogy as well to the election of 1864 (Lincoln vs McClellan). An incumbent in a divisive war vs a challenger charging "the war cannot be won and I have the credentials to lead, not you Lincoln". If not for military victories in the election year of 1864, things may have well turned out differently.....
16 posted on 05/01/2004 8:13:31 AM PDT by oswald
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To: sgtbono2002
I compare him more with Benedict Arnold.

Yes, but with a Man-servant!

17 posted on 05/01/2004 8:29:31 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Prov1322
"I do not have slaves (SUVs?)
They are my families slaves."

I was agaianst slavery, before I was for it."
18 posted on 05/01/2004 9:53:35 AM PDT by pending
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Note: this topic is dated 5/01/2004.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

Thanks Prince Charles.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


19 posted on 06/08/2013 4:26:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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