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Cow cut, drained in Arborg: Mutilation mystifies
The Winnipeg Sun ^ | Thursday, April 29, 2004 | NATALIE PONA

Posted on 05/01/2004 5:57:00 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

An Arborg cattle farmer made a horrific discovery Monday when he found the partially skinned carcass of one of his animals that was missing its tongue and apparently drained of its blood. "The whole thing has turned out to be more sinister than I thought," said Yvonne, a neighbour, who examined the mutilated animal. She asked not to have her last name used to protect her family.

"What sort of weirdos have we got travelling in our neighbourhood?"

Gordon, who would only allow The Sun to print his first name, said he discovered the carcass on his farm Monday afternoon.

"I don't really want to speculate on what happened. I know what I saw," he said, adding he is still shaken up by the find.

Arborg is 100 kilometres north of Winnipeg.

COW MUTILATIONS

The mutilation happened Saturday or Sunday night, Gordon said. No one heard anything.

He's heard of several cow mutilations in the area over the past few years, Gordon said.

He called the RCMP, reporting that the animal had been attacked by a predator. He has since changed his mind about the cause.

"It was definitely a sharp object used," he said.

Arborg RCMP Cpl. Glenn Syme said he has never investigated an instance of cattle mutilation. The RCMP did take a call this week about a cow being attacked by a predator, likely from Gordon.

SKIN PULLED FROM FACE

The animal was found with an incision under its chin. The skin had been pulled from the face, exposing the teeth.

"It's not the gore, we've seen that before, it's the evil behind it," Yvonne said.

The tip of the animal's tongue, cut from its root, was placed in the mouth, she said.

"There's not a drop of blood in that animal. The only way you can drain an animal of blood is (to cut into it) with the heart still pumping," Yvonne said.

The cuts were very precise, as if made by a surgeon, she said.

"You don't know who you're dealing with ... the average wild and woolly neighbourhood brat wouldn't be capable of doing it," she said.

Gordon and Yvonne called Fern Belzil, an Alberta-based investigator of unexplained deaths who has been studying cow mutilations for eight years, for help.

Belzil has studied 100 cases, two-thirds of which remain unexplained.

"I'm not saying it's aliens ... a lot points towards aliens but there is no proof," he said.

Belzil said he has never encountered any evidence pointing to who or what is killing cows.

"It's a real mystery," he said.


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1 posted on 05/01/2004 5:57:00 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon; Quix
Quixx, over here!

This reminds me of the mysterious cattle mutillations of the 1970's.

2 posted on 05/01/2004 6:02:19 AM PDT by LibKill (Yep, we are cowboys. WYATT EARP cowboys.)
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To: martin_fierro
Timeless classic ping...


3 posted on 05/01/2004 6:07:45 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (From each according to his inability, to each according to his misdeeds - DNC Motto)
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To: Momaw Nadon
"What sort of weirdos have we got travelling in our neighbourhood?"


4 posted on 05/01/2004 6:09:00 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Momaw Nadon

5 posted on 05/01/2004 6:10:35 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Momaw Nadon
This is clearly an incidental case of meeting campaign logistics by the RAT's...

See, the thing is they're all vampires.

As they ramp up for elections, the need to feed their army of evil minions grows in proportion to the campaign workers they field. In off years, the average vampire RAT manages to feed itself with bugs, snakes and the odd wino in urban cesspools...but, every four years they mysteriously begin to congregate in writhing masses like mating worms and gestate a new champion to challenge truth, freedom and the path of light. The draining of blood from large mammals usually found in rural environs meets the physical needs of the vampire RAT army and is remote enough to maintain a fair degree of security in the concealment of their vast plan of evil.

Any other mysteries I can solve?
6 posted on 05/01/2004 6:15:21 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (So what are you expecting from NPR - the truth?)
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To: Momaw Nadon
http://www.nidsci.org/
7 posted on 05/01/2004 6:39:48 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Momaw Nadon
That sort of thing has been going on here in Colorado for years. I always kinda liked the theory that it's evil government scientists testing for nuclear fallout from the 40's. 50's, 60's or testing their new medical technology. An animal with it's face down in the grass feeding all day is going to pick up whatever poisons are in the grass with it's lips, and tongue first, it will also concentrate poisons and genetic damage in it's reproductive system, but who the heck knows. I have a hunting buddy with a 40,000 acre spread down to south east Colorado. He's got a bunch of cattle and all his neighbors have a bunch too. I'll give him a call today or tonight and find out if there's been anything fishy going on lately. It'll give me an excuse to invite myself down for a prairie dog shoot. I'll post what he has to say later on this thread.

Oh and by the way for those who are squeamish about shooting prairie dogs, in an ecosystem out of balance, shooting prairie dogs that have infested (prairie dogs run amok, pasture land looking like moon scape) grazing land is more humane than poisoning which can kill other beneficial critters and predators.
8 posted on 05/01/2004 7:02:17 AM PDT by ColoradoSlim (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
An animal that dies out on the open range goes thru some serious surgical banquet mutilation.

First, as it's dying from weakness, shock, tetnus, or from ingesting some noxious plant, the eagles, hawks, crows, and vultures will pluck out the eyeballs. Next, the eagles will start surgically removing strips of flesh from the hind quaters, shoulders and back. This offers the best meat while the animal is still alive and tasty. In cool weather this can go on for a week before actual death occurs.

Next, after death, the eagles and hawks leave. They only prefer fresh prarie sushi. Now come the coyotes, foxes, vultures, and badgers. First thing they go for are the entrails(innerds and intestines). And yes, they remove them from the back end first. It's like pulling out rope. You keep on pulling for hours. Every now and then, a bladder, stomach, liver or such accompanies the intestines. In the summer , this ends the party, since the meat is pretty foul by this point. It's left for the rats, maggots, and insects. The hair or fur will make nice nesting material for every bird, rabbit, or vermin for a mile around. In the winter, the coyotes and wolves will dine on the carcass for months between good fresh kills.

It's esay to conclude that anyone stumbling on natures buffet party might confuse it for some strange animal mutilation, especially around the time it's been surgically skinned in strips and either barely alive or just dead with half it's intestines pulled out in what might look like an anal probe gone Manson.

9 posted on 05/01/2004 7:10:16 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: blackdog
Next, the eagles will start surgically removing strips of flesh from the hind quaters, shoulders and back.

I have great respect for eagles, but I did not know that they could cut off cow parts with surgical precision.

10 posted on 05/01/2004 7:15:31 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: blackdog
That sounds very sensible blackdog. Not as mysterious as my evil government scientists but pretty dang accurate.
11 posted on 05/01/2004 7:20:56 AM PDT by ColoradoSlim (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: AntiGuv
It sounds more like a chupacabra did it.

chupacabra

12 posted on 05/01/2004 7:22:33 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: blackdog
I have a rancher aquaintance that told me he has actually seen eagles attack sheep by flying towards them and running them until the sheep are over-tired.

Then the eagle will separate one sheep from the rest and attack the back of the neck with a single attack that usually breaks the spine.

The eagle feasts until full and leaves the rest for the remainder of the food-chain to consume.

Ever see this type of thing or was this guy pulling my chain?
13 posted on 05/01/2004 7:23:17 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: blackdog
Possums love cow intestines too.
14 posted on 05/01/2004 7:25:01 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Get well soon, countrydummy.)
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To: FITZ
Where do I get me a hunten license for one of them chupacabra? Sounds like it would be more fun than shooten prairie dogs.
15 posted on 05/01/2004 7:27:38 AM PDT by ColoradoSlim (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: blackdog
"There's not a drop of blood in that animal. The only way you can drain an animal of blood is (to cut into it) with the heart still pumping," Yvonne said.

How would you explain the cow being completely drained of blood?

16 posted on 05/01/2004 7:32:08 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
In an attempt to copy the Detroit Red Wings tradition of throwing an octopus on the ice, a Calgary Flames fan threw a cow tongue on the ice during game 4 Thursday night. Hmmm?
17 posted on 05/01/2004 7:35:38 AM PDT by MichiganCheese (I blew out my flip-flop; Jimmy Buffet or John Kerry?)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Anyone else been reading about UFO's in Iran? Next big foot will be seen at Wal-Mart.

Has anyone heard the Big Foot Stories out of Whitehall, Montana? Seems that one may have been killed and covered up by the feds.......
18 posted on 05/01/2004 7:36:00 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: Momaw Nadon
This is definitely alien activity! They've been doing this for decades at the very least.
19 posted on 05/01/2004 7:44:15 AM PDT by rotstan
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To: Art Bell
paging Art Bell...
20 posted on 05/01/2004 7:58:31 AM PDT by null and void (Sarcasm, just another service I provide.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
"I'm not saying it's aliens ... a lot points towards aliens but there is no proof "

If it walks like a DUCK....

21 posted on 05/01/2004 9:12:47 AM PDT by traumer
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To: blackdog
"an anal probe gone Manson."

"gone Manson."

I like that!

22 posted on 05/01/2004 9:56:55 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: ColoradoSlim
" prairie dogs, "

Same thing with Armadillos on ranchland in Florida.

Only you have to spotlight them at night and use a shotgun.
23 posted on 05/01/2004 10:00:20 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Sounds like a decent way to spend the evening pardner. What are those critters that dig into the sides of canals that you got to shoot at night?
24 posted on 05/01/2004 10:05:33 AM PDT by ColoradoSlim (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Just another stunt by TLBSHOW to impress Ann Coulter.
25 posted on 05/01/2004 10:10:25 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Momaw Nadon
...but I did not know that they could cut off cow parts with surgical precision.

I heard a blurb on eagles the other day. One snatched a bear cub (est. 6lb) from the immediate vicinity of mama bear.

Talk about surgical precision.

Now, an African Swallow....

26 posted on 05/01/2004 10:18:26 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ColoradoSlim
I don't know about canal critters...maybe musktrats?
27 posted on 05/01/2004 10:20:27 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Bluntpoint
ROTFLMAO!
28 posted on 05/01/2004 10:21:21 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Bluntpoint
You forgot a graphic and to ping Hacksaw.
29 posted on 05/01/2004 10:22:03 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Erik Latranyi
Yep, They will usually just sit on the tired sheep's back, removing flesh for a few days while it walks around and bleeds to death or dies from sepsis.
30 posted on 05/01/2004 10:32:54 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Momaw Nadon
What do you think an eagle does to a cow? It removes strips of flesh for several days. Maybe you misunderstand me. It does this while the cow or sheep is alive and walking around until it bleeds to death, going into shock, or dies from infection.

All these classic animal mutilation stories are classic predation in the food chain.

The public has just become so far removed by urban utopia, they have no understanding of the cruel mistress nature is.

31 posted on 05/01/2004 10:36:48 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Calvin Locke
Owls decapitate chickens and turkeys in one swoop, like a razor took their head. They do it to newborn lambs too.

The talons on a raptor are made by Wilkinson.......Send them at a cutting angle at 60mph and that's high speed surgery. The owls take the heads back to their nest to eat out the cavity of brains and eyes. They leave the rest of the carcass sans keppie for the other critters like rats, skunks, opossoms, etc....who then suffer the same fate on subsequent nights.

32 posted on 05/01/2004 10:42:49 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: LibKill; All
Thanks. Will check it out.

TIM GOOD'S UNEARTHLY DISCLOSURE had a long section on cattle mutilations.

Let me see if I can quote a bit here . . . a lot to type and it's too marked up for the scanner . . . let me see . .




[Review/commentary of excerpt of Timothy Good’s UNEARTHLY DISCLOSURE]

MILITARY INVOLVEMENT

On many occasions helicopters have been observed in the areas where livestock mutilations occur, typically before or after, but apparently never during, the event. For two years, starting in August 1991, Ted Oliphant III, a documentary reporter, former patrolman and criminal investigator with the police department of Fyffe, Alabama, assisted in investigating 35 cases of cattle mutilation in northern Alabama, a state which has seen large numbers of mutilations. 'Among those law enforcement agents who have thoroughly investigated these bovine excision sites, there is a consensus that some kind of medical testing is going on,' says Oliphant. 'The additional presence of helicopters on scene, before and after cattle are found dead and missing specific organs, leads both victimized farmers and investigating officers to conclude that there is a connection.'

On 9 January 1993 Chief Detective Tommy Cole of the Albertville police department lost a Black Angus steer to mutilators. The previous day his wife had seen an 'unmarked' helicopter over their pasture. (Military helicopters are often painted very dark, with subdued, low-contrast markings,
impossible to see unless one is close.) A Federal Aviation Administration investigator was called in by Cole to investigate this and other helicopter sightings, and Cole took him for a ride in his police car, reports Oliphant.

The FAA investigator was skeptical untill an unmarked helicopter flew near them. [He] couldn't believe his own eyes and pulled out a hand-held radio and hailed the helicopter. The helicopter pilot didn't respond and ignored demands that he identify himself.

This infuriated the FAA investigator, who had now reversed his skepticism. He was able to trace the helicopter to Maxwell Air
Force Base in southern Alabama. When he launched an inquiry at the base, he was immediately told to drop it and never talk about it again.

A week later the FAA investigator called Cole to tell him that while out on nearby Lake Guntersville in a boat, he and his family had seen a large, triangular-shaped craft manoeuvring above them.

Through" a confidential source, identified as 'Phil', Oliphant claims to have been given inside information about military involvement in the cattle mutilations. There is a connection, Phil learned, with Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), or 'Mad Cow Disease', and the related Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), which affects humans. 'It was Phil's idea that I research Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies and their connection to the investigations I carried out as a police officer in 1992 and 1993,' writes Oliphant.

When I checked out his statements, I found they fit in with several leftover pieces from the official investigations carried out by the Alabama State Troopers, the Albertville Police Department and myself.

In 1993, Phil told me that some of the helicopters we were seeing were equipped with thermographic infrared scanners [which] allow pilots to see in the dark and fog. Every living or moving thing produces a heat signature . . . When a cow is in trouble, sick or dying, the first thing it experiences is peripheral circulatory shutdown. This causes an immediate temperature reduction of the animal's outside skin. When a helicopter flies low and slow over area pastures and has the infrared scanner operating, it will notice a cow with a lower thermographic reading than the others in the herd. Find the cold cow, and you've identified.) a cow in trouble.

Phil claimed that, in addition to a public—and a private-funded group studying Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies, there was a government group funded by the 'black budget'. This group supposedly is behind most the animal mutilations. ‘I don't pretend to explain every bovine excision case that’s occurred across the country,' says Ted Oliphant. 'I can only speak of those cases where I was directly involved in on-site investigations, working as a police officer.
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In 90 of the cases we investigated, helicopters were reported seen over the affected pastures the day before or after suspicious livestock deaths occurred.

Because of the foreign substances found at the scene and in the bloodstreams of the animals, we (farmers and cops alike) suspected at the time that there was some kind of medical testing being performed.'19

That military (and sometimes apparently civilian) helicopters often appear at the sites of livestock mutilations is beyond contention. Clandestine investigations into BSE and CJD is a possibility, as is sampling of livestock tissue to test for levels of nuclear contamination. David Perkins, who has been researching the phenomenon for 25 years, discovered a high correlation between where the cows were being mutilated and the proximity of those mutilations to nuclear waste or reactor sites, for instance, but he is not persuaded that all the mutilations can be explained this way.20
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As Oliphant and others point out, helicopters are seen only before, or after, but never during the mutilations. How could personnel perform the rapid draining of the animal's blood (exsanguination), immaculate excisions and removal of organs without leaving some trace? Furthermore, if the military is targeting sick cows, why are most of those mutilated found in previous good health?

Assuming, as I do, that aliens are responsible for genuine mutilations, what role is played by the helicopters? 'Jim Evans', a former US Air Force security officer whose ranch, close to a US Air Force base in Colorado, had been plagued by livestock mutilations in the mid-1970s, believes he has the answer. 'I figured out early in the game', he said, 'that the government is sending in helicopters in large numbers from several sources, but they are doing it to cover what is really happening.’21

ASSOCIATED PHENOMENA
At about 17.30 on 13 September 1994, during a wave of livestock mutilations in New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada, Larry Gardea was checking a herd of cattle belonging to Estevan Sanchez, in Luna Canyon, near Las Vegas, north-east New Mexico, when he heard a loud, dull hum, 'like a transformer, or the sound an arc welder makes'. The cows began running away from the noise, but Gardea noticed that there appeared to be pulled by an invisible 'beam' towards the sound. ‘They were struggling and bawling and were pulled through the trees,’ said Gardea. ‘I shot at the beam with a 30.06 rifle and the hum stopped and the cows stopped bawling.’

[snip]

There is another curious aspect to the phenomenon. ‘Often,’ reports Belzil, ‘whoever does this will come back and cut up the same animal two or three times.’ In September 1995, a farmer in northern Saskatchewan called Belzil to report a dead cow 500 yards from his house. Although the animal had not been mutilated, the farmer suspected that it soon would be. Belzil and an assistant installed a light on top of a pole and an outdoor video camera that fed a wireless signal to a video camera recorder, loaded with a ten-hour videotape, in the farmhouse. After watching the monitor for a few hours, Belzil and his colleague headed home. Over the ensuing few days the camera worked perfectly, with the exception of two night-time incidents when, inexplicably, the screen ‘whited out’ for [p257]: about 12 minutes at a time. On both occasions the cow was mutilated; the cow's tongue and half her face sliced away the first time, her anus excised the second time. 'Everything would be going along fine and - bang!' Belzil explained. 'The tape would be totally overexposed. There were no fluctuations; it was like someone was shining a 1000-watt light into the camera. I slowed the tape right down and the change [in the light] is still instant, bang! It's unexplainable . . . ‘23

ALIEN INVOLVEMENT

‘Jim Evans’, mentioned earlier, is adamant that aliens were responsible for the livestock mutilations on his ranch. ‘They are being lifted into the air, they are being drained of blood, they are being mutilated, and they are being lowered,’ he declared.’24 They are not always lowered. David Perkins reports that, judging from bone fractures, some cattle appear to have been dropped from as high as 1000 feet.’25

In Alien Base I reveal an extraordinary mutilation case that occurred in Puerto Rico, the initial stages of which were witnessed by a security guard and former police officer, ‘Piedro Viera’, who recounted to Jorge Martin and me that while driving in thye small hours of 12 January 1997 he had seen a large circular object coming from the direction of the El Yunque Rain Forest, then hovering above some cows in a pasture. A blue-green conical beam of light came down from the craft and engulfed two of the cows, one of which was ‘levitated’ towards the craft. ‘The cow vanished suddenly when it was about five feet from the underside,’ Viera told us. ‘Then the craft began to move away slowly.’ Viera was about to follow the disc in his truck when a black 4 X 4 pickup came along and two men, dressed in black ‘military-style’ clothes (more commonly worn by law enforcement personnel), ordered him to stay where he was for at least 10 minutes. The men returned to their pickup and followed the craft. After 15 minutes Viera set off. He soon came across a cow lying on the side of the road, identical to the one levitated aboard the craft. ‘It had apparently been dropped from above,’ he explained, ‘because two of its legs were badly broken.’ The cow had also been mutilated.’26 . . .
[snip]

I believe Good’s often good research and objective perspective shows well in these passages. And, his thorough research into a variety of sources, examples and where fitting, explanations is also visible. I find these sources and stories quite convincing.

I’m skeptical of the BSE CJD and nuclear research motives being the total explanation by quite a margin. But who knows.

I’m convinced that ET’s and the government share considerable cooperative and perhaps antagonistic complicity in the phenomenon.

The rest of this Good book has a wealth of other examples of ET and government related stories. A sizeable portion is spent on Puerto Rico’s extensive history of UFO’s and ET stories.

I encourage anyone interested in the topic to read the book. It’s well worth the time and money. I would consider it a must for those building a credible UFO library.
33 posted on 05/01/2004 11:37:41 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Rebelbase
I'm going low key with Hacksaw.

If I'm nice to him I think I could get both a dinner and a show out of him.
34 posted on 05/01/2004 11:38:43 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: blackdog
The owls take the heads back to their nest to eat out the cavity of brains and eyes.

Dude! You got to put me on your "ping" list!

35 posted on 05/01/2004 11:40:55 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Poohbah; All; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; bigfootbob; Ecliptic; El Sordo; Ghengis; ...
PING.

I believe this excerpt from Good's book is worth your time.
36 posted on 05/01/2004 11:50:23 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: blackdog
"All these classic animal mutilation stories are classic predation in the food chain."

WRONG.

You have evidently not read very significantly in the subject.

New Mexico's congressman, now dead, as I recall--S. . .

headed a serious investigation into it. The report, as I recall, was rather muted and hushed up rather than to cause alarm. It was clear it was not from predation.

For one, there have been DOZENS of sightings of the later dumped and mutilated bovine's being lifted in beams of light . . . by credible, responsible citizens well respected and trusted in their communities.
37 posted on 05/01/2004 11:59:10 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
How about a commentary on your graphic?
38 posted on 05/01/2004 12:02:05 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: ColoradoSlim
I look forward to your report.

Thanks.

I agree about prarie dogs. They are deadly to running horses and cattle.
39 posted on 05/01/2004 12:03:37 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Momaw Nadon; blackdog
They can't--not with the precision and detail involved in authentic cattle mutilations.

Besides that--are we supposed to believe that the eagle lifts the whole cow up, drains the blood, drinks all the blood--allllllllllllll without spilling a drop on the ground around about???

Takes a ton more faith to believe in that than to believe that ET's did it.
40 posted on 05/01/2004 12:05:29 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: ColoradoSlim
Not accurate at all for the well-read on the subject.

Or even for those who know a wide diversity of ranchers in key areas.
41 posted on 05/01/2004 12:06:10 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: FITZ
The chupacabaras seem to be much more course and predatory in an animal fashion than the typical mutilation would indicate.

Good's book has an extensive section on the chupacabara incidents in Brazil and other Western Hemisphere areas.
42 posted on 05/01/2004 12:07:20 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: rotstan
I concur.
43 posted on 05/01/2004 12:08:48 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
I'd like to learn more about it friend, can you please recommend a good book or two?
44 posted on 05/01/2004 12:10:32 PM PDT by ColoradoSlim (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: traumer
I think there's enough proof to stand up in a lot of courts

IF

the FEDS could be effectively compelled to be honest about their involvement/evidence in tons of cases.

There is enough evidence almost even otherwise but the ridicule factor has effectively neutered that level of evidence a lot. But there's at least as much credible witness and forensic evidence as has put many murderers away for a long time.
45 posted on 05/01/2004 12:10:39 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
I was last stationed on Maxwell AFB (it's in Montgomery, Alabama) and retired here. It does not have helicopters assigned. The base is very public due to the fact that the Air War College, Air Command and Staff College, International Officers School, and the Senior NCO Academy are located here, and have been for decades. The base has a flying mission of C-130's from the 908th Airlift Wing, Alabama Air National Guard. You can watch them flying, doing touch-and-goes, etc, almost anytime. There are no other aircraft assigned to the base. Ocassionally other aircraft come in for various ceremonies or practices landings, etc. I go to Maxwell at least once a week. Never ever did I see black or any other color helicopters here.
46 posted on 05/01/2004 12:13:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Quix
I don't know --- I've been told that the chupacabras are very likely pets that escaped from aliens' ships and they're a bit different than our usual predatory animals.
47 posted on 05/01/2004 12:14:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ColoradoSlim
I think Good's is the best recent one. And the topic is just one of many in the book. Maybe comprises about 5-12% of the book.

It hasn't been the focus of my 35+ year study. But I've grown up in NW New Mexico and have read plenty over the years as it is often a part of UFO type books.

I could scan the AMAZON offerings and suggest the better ones, if you wish.
48 posted on 05/01/2004 12:14:27 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I wouldn't imagine that such craft would be stationed in such an open base.

I would imagine they might be there very short term or for refueling or some such.

I can't imagine that you guarded the base 24/7.
49 posted on 05/01/2004 12:16:19 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: FITZ
I can imagine that. They are somewhat humanoid in build.

But I think it remains to be seen/publically known precisely what they are.
50 posted on 05/01/2004 12:17:22 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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