Vatican rebuff to Spanish Muslims

Guardian ^ | 5.3.04

[vanmorrison]

The negative changes wrought by Vatican II have so destroyed the clarity and consistency of Church doctrine that it becomes big news when the Church asserts a position that would have been expected as a matter of course in days of old.

[Bismarck]

By the way, the Opus Dei have absolutely no relatioship with the infamous Inquisition. Maybe you should google it, comprende? Anyway, why should I even bother I am not even Catholic.

[Temple Drake]

I think he should play Charles Martel or Jan Sobieski.

[sinkspur]

The negative changes wrought by Vatican II have so destroyed the clarity and consistency of Church doctrine that it becomes big news when the Church asserts a position that would have been expected as a matter of course in days of old.

That's foolishness. Vatican II changed no doctrines.

[vanmorrison]

Come on, you know you're wrong. Admit it! You're either intentionally lying or are woefully ignorant.

In this case, in the past, the relevant doctrine would have been "extra eclesiam nulla salus". How often does anyone hear that phrase any more? I just saw postings on this site the other day of the Pope kissing the Koran. And we all know about the scandals at the Fatima Shrine concerning ecumenical services being allowed in the Chapel. These kinds of acts appear to give the Church's imprimatur to practices that would never have been considered, much less allowed, in days of old.

And that's just one example. There are so many others...

[epigone73]

Not a mel brooks fan, I take it.

[Bismarck]

Of course I am... I didn't know you were just kidding. I took your comment out of context. Yep, that sounds like a typical political excuse.

[epigone73]

A mel brooks fan can be forgiven nearly anything. besides, my own fault for injecting humor into something so serious.