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HISPANIC PANIC: Samuel P. Huntington and the return of the Know-Nothings.
New York Press ^ | 5/4/04 | John Dolan

Posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:02 PM PDT by Clemenza

SAMUEL P. HUNTINGTON is a bigot, convinced that immigrant hordes are poisoning our Anglo-Protestant America. This in itself is not surprising; there have always been plenty of his kind on the American scene. Nor is it surprising that this bigot is a professor at Harvard. Nativism, in its 19th-century surge, was very much the darling cause of the New England elites.

What is surprising is that now, a century and a half after the Know-Nothings vanished in disgrace, Huntington feels free to promote his nativist hatred in print, and can be celebrated for doing so. Post-9/11 America, as John le Carre has said, has lost its mind. Huntington's screeching is a worthy contribution to the bedlam.

Huntington disguises a disingenuous question as a scholarly inquiry in his sleazy new book, Who Are We? The Challenge to America's National Identity (Simon & Schuster, $27). The question is disingenuous because Huntington already has an answer, the same one that has been peddled by American bigots for hundreds of years: America is and must remain an Anglo-Protestant culture.

Huntington's plan for America's salvation requires "a recommitment to America as a deeply religious and primarily Christian country…adhering to Anglo-Protestant values, speaking English, maintaining its European cultural heritage, and committed to the principles of the [American] Creed..."

Our Anglo-Protestant culture is under threat, according to Huntington, from the Latin hordes sneaking across our southern borders. Huntington violently hates Hispanics, especially Mexicans. The point of this book is to infect the reader with the same fear and hatred. In the process, this eminent academic is more than willing to dirty his hands with the sort of hatemongering anecdote Pat Buchanan would refuse to touch. His favorite, so special that he tells it at the beginning of the book and again at the end, is an account of Mexican fans misbehaving at a U.S.-Mexico soccer game:

At a Gold Cup soccer game between Mexico and the United States in February 1998, the 91,255 fans were immersed in a "sea of red, white and green flags"; they booed when "The Star-Spangled Banner" was played; they "pelted" the US players "with debris and cups of what might have been water, beer or worse"; and they attacked with "fruit and cups of beer" a few fans who tried to raise an American flag. This game took place not in Mexico City but in Los Angeles. "Something's wrong when I can't even raise an American flag in my own country," a US fan commented, as he ducked a lemon going by his head. "Playing in Los Angeles is not a home game for the United States," a Los Angeles Times reporter agreed.

All the classics of race-baiting show up here. There's the "sea" of alien colors, the gratuitous insults to American icons like flag and anthem and, above all, the dirty tricks foreigners always employ. The Hispanic traitors throw "water, beer or worse," a gradation ending with a dark hint that the mob threw urine at American patriots.

The fact is, different ethnic groups have been using sporting events to work each other over for centuries—all over America. In the 19th century, boxing matches allowed immigrants to scream for their champions, who often arrived draped in the flags of the home country or, if they were "natives," in the stars and stripes. The fight in the ring was very often upstaged by the riots in the stands, as drunken fans cheerfully battered each other senseless for tribe and country. Then, as now, the same crowd in a different context would join hands to sing patriotic American songs in perfect ethnic, if not tonal, harmony.

As study after study of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. has shown, Hispanics tend to be fiercely patriotic Americans. The same soccer fans that enjoyed their age-old right to splatter the opposition with beer and piss probably drove home from the game in pickups plastered with the stars and stripes. Huntington might as well have used the Fenway Park tradition of throwing peanuts at Yankees fans to prove that Boston and New York will soon be at war.

It's hard to believe that such an elite academic can be as ignorant of American ethnic history as Huntington seems to be. For example, after whipping up hatred with the soccer-game anecdote, Huntington offers this wholly dishonest image of past immigrants' patriotic fervor, contrasted with the disloyalty of the Mexican soccer fans: "Past immigrants wept with joy when, after overcoming hardship and risk, they saw the Statue of Liberty; enthusiastically identified themselves with their new country that offered them liberty, work, and hope; and often became the most intensely patriotic of citizens."

This is not just manipulative race-baiting—it's bad history. Consider an earlier group of Catholic immigrants despised by American nativists: the Irish. Most of them came to America as the victims of an artificial famine in which their landlords provided the natives with a fine example of Anglo-Protestant humanity by continuing to export vast quantities of grain and beef while the Catholic peasantry starved to death in huge numbers. The Irish peasants who had hung on to their little plots of land for centuries had no desire to go to America. They came because it was leave or die. So they left, mourned in "American wakes"; going to America was a cause for grief, a quasi-death—not a deliverance. Those who survived the coffin ships and shipboard epidemics arrived in New York half-dead to find that nearly every job advertisement carried the note, "No Irish Need Apply." They scraped out a living as day laborers, criminals or prostitutes—and were mocked and despised by nativists for their disreputable ways. There were tears enough, but no "tears of joy."

And if the immigrants, Irish and the rest, did come to love their new country in time, it was precisely because those American nativists like Huntington were defeated, in a long political struggle, by Yankees of better quality, who could see past the Anglo-Protestant bigotries of their past.

By blurring the wild, violent past of American immigration into a crude antithesis between grateful past immigrants and ungrateful Mexicans, Huntington distorts history to serve a political agenda with a long and sordid history. It's no accident he chooses Mexicans—poor Catholic immigrants—as his chief target. William J. Stern's description of 19th-century nativism fits Prof. Huntington perfectly:

The nativists included among their number some of America's elite leaders and thinkers…Some of the country's founders believed that Anglo-Saxon culture was basically identical with Western Civilization. Catholicism, in their view, was incompatible with democracy and religious freedom. As a delegate drafting the New York State Constitution, for example, John Jay successfully pushed for an amendment forbidding practitioners of religions with leaders located beyond American shores—like, say, the pope in Rome—from becoming U.S. citizens (the federal government eventually took over the responsibility of granting citizenship, rendering such state restrictions void). Fear that the pope was telling American Catholics what to do and think characterized the opinions of elite figures like John Quincy Adams, Samuel Morse, and P. T. Barnum, and continued right up to the presidential election of John Kennedy, who during his campaign had to promise a group of Protestant ministers that he would be faithful to the U.S. Constitution.

Huntington seems to have come straight from a convention of these grand old bigots. He's at his worst when he thinks he's being generous, as here: "Throughout America's history, people who were not white Anglo-Saxon Protestants have become Americans by adopting America's Anglo-Protestant culture and political values. This benefited them and the country." In other words, those not fortunate enough to be born white Anglo-Saxon Protestants need not despair. All they have to do is imitate their superiors long and hard, and they'll be almost as good as the real thing.

Huntington repeatedly suggests that the non-Protestant immigrant must undergo conversion to evangelical Protestantism to become a real American. Huntington accepts that Catholics can nowadays be good Americans, but only because "American Catholicism assimilated many of the features of the Protestant mainstream." It was not that the "Protestant mainstream" gave up its old prejudices, as more liberal historians have taught; on the contrary, "the fading of overtly anti-Catholic attitudes and activities was paralleled by and directly related to the Americanization of Catholicism."

Like many of Huntington's assertions, this is so stunningly bigoted and dishonest it takes a while to grasp. He actually asserts that, rather than repenting of their ethno-religious bigotry, American nativists were reconciled to the continued existence of Catholicism in America because it made the big effort to placate them by imitating their own religion.

In Huntington's version, Catholicism in America survived by "adaptation…to its American, that is, Protestant [!], environment, including changes in Catholic attitudes, practices, organization, and behavior…." He notes, in a rare piece of good news from the Hispanic-immigrant front, that "Evangelicalism [is] also winning many converts among…Latin American Catholics." He repeats near the end of the book that "…the most significant manifestation of assimilation is the conversion of Hispanic immigrants to evangelical Protestantism." So you want to be good Americans, you Mexican hordes? Get on down to your local Baptist Church, get washed in the blood of the lamb and read The Pilgrim's Progress. It's the only way.

Huntington prescribes a "civil"—that is, public and compulsory—American religion. As he informs the reader, in typically smug style, it's for our own good: "America's civil religion provides a religious blessing to what Americans feel they have in common." This means that Huntington wants an America in which it's impossible to run for office without publicly affirming one's belief in evangelical Protestantism. So it's no surprise to find Huntington quoting with evident approval one of the sleaziest moments in Bush's 2000 campaign: "Asked who his favorite political philosopher was, George W. Bush said: 'Christ, because he changed my heart… When you turn your heart and your life over to Christ, when you accept Christ as the Savior, it changes your heart. It changes your life. And that's what happened to me.'" Most commentators saw Bush's on-air profession of faith as a scripted, cynical try for the born-again vote. But for Huntington, it's a wonderful example of the way America's civil religion is rolling over the political landscape. As Bush would say, bring it on!

In the new America, united in this civil religion, atheism will not be tolerated at all. Failure to believe forthrightly in God is simply un-American (which will be sad news for Ben Franklin): "[Civil religion] is not compatible…with being atheist, for it is a religion, invoking a transcendental Being apart from the terrestrial human world… To deny God is to challenge the fundamental principle underlying American society and government."

So those of you who can't pray in public—you're out of the club. Maybe those godless Europeans will take you in. But you can't stay in America, because God R Us. And those of you whose "denomination" lies outside Christianity—well, you're going to have to leave too, or get used to being an unwelcome alien: "Non-Christians [in America] may legitimately see themselves as strangers in a strange land because they or their ancestors moved to this 'strange land' founded and people by Christians, even as Christians become strangers by moving to Israel, India, Thailand, or Morocco."

In other words, you godless pagans aren't supposed to feel at home here, so get over it, nyah-nyah-nyah. The pure, gloating smugness of these assertions is shocking.

I'VE BEEN LIVING outside the U.S. for a few years, and when I left, bigots like Huntington had to do their ranting at home, subjecting only their relatives to their cranky hatreds.

Things sure have changed back home. These days, you can say anything in America, as long as it's mean-hearted and decorated with plenty of flags and references to 9/11. Huntington fulfills that requirement on his very first page, with a long description of a Boston street covered with flags on the day after the WTC attacks, noting proudly that Wal-Mart couldn't even keep Old Glory in stock. Then he raises the specter of a flag-less street, as anger over the attacks fades. If only, he seems to imply, we could have a 9/11 every month or so! Our civil religion would burn white-hot all the time.

On the very last page of the book, Huntington displays a graph showing America in its rightful place among nations. There we are, at the upper right corner of the chart, cozying up to the other nations that share our "religiosity" and nationalism: Nigeria, Brazil, South Africa, Northern Ireland, Turkey and India. Way down there at the lower left corner of the graph are the godless nations of Western Europe and China.

I'd think Americans would be alarmed to find their country so similar to places like Northern Ireland and Nigeria, one of which may be about to descend into a Muslim/Christian civil war, and the other finally emerging exhausted from decades of violence between devout Christian sects. But for people like Huntington, the fact that our "religiosity" makes us more comparable to such places than to France or Sweden is cause for rejoicing. You see, we're part of a big new trend toward religious fervor, and those silly Europeans are missing out:

"The twenty-first century…is dawning as a century of religion. Virtually everywhere, apart from Western Europe, people are turning to religion for comfort, guidance, solace, and identity…"

I suppose that "everywhere" means places like Omaha, Spokane and, er, Karbala.

Some would say Europe and China seem to be struggling along rather well without "religiosity" and jingoism. Some might mention that Britain, the home of those Anglo-Protestant values Huntington worships, ranks 27th in "religiosity," 22 places below the U.S.—and that most British people are appalled by America's religious mania and consider the president a canting, sanctimonious fool.

But for Huntington, our soaring "religiosity" index is great news. We're right in step with the new "Great Awakening." Let the Chinese and Europeans do all the dull, adult work of manufacturing, peacekeeping and science. It's us and our equally devout Muslim counterparts who'll be having all the fun, burning things and yelling about God.


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1 posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:03 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Cacique; rmlew; JustAnAmerican; sarcasm; Joe Hadenuf
Ping!
2 posted on 05/04/2004 4:31:34 PM PDT by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: Clemenza
Anyone know what his username is?
3 posted on 05/04/2004 4:35:08 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (x = x + 1)
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To: Clemenza
I'll see your ping and bump.

the writer has so much bitterness about america,

I hope he continues to live someplace else.

"...I'VE BEEN LIVING outside the U.S. for a few years, ..."
4 posted on 05/04/2004 4:36:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Clemenza
SAMUEL P. HUNTINGTON is a bigot,...

The author is going to have to do better than that.

5 posted on 05/04/2004 4:38:02 PM PDT by untenured
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To: tet68
the writer has so much bitterness about america

Nah. He's just bitter that the only writing gig he can get is for a weekly rag that supports itself via ads from prostitutes.

6 posted on 05/04/2004 4:39:46 PM PDT by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: Clemenza
LOL!!!
7 posted on 05/04/2004 4:43:26 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Clemenza
Huntington is talking about culture, and specifically disclaims any racist intent. The issue is the cultural assimilation of immigrants, not their race.
8 posted on 05/04/2004 4:45:14 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Clemenza
Assuming the characterization of Huntington is accurate, he's a "reconstructionist", one of the followers of the late unlamented Rushdoony.

It's worth noting that his claims differ only in degree from those of the Islamophobes that claim that Muslims by their very existence pose some threat to America.

-Eric

9 posted on 05/04/2004 4:46:26 PM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Clemenza
In the new America, united in this civil religion, atheism will not be tolerated at all. Failure to believe forthrightly in God is simply un-American (which will be sad news for Ben Franklin)

Benjamin Franklin the atheist at the Constitutional Convention:

"In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.—Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service."

The idiot lost me here. Maybe he was thinking of T. Jefferson, who wasn't an atheist either?

10 posted on 05/04/2004 4:52:24 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Clemenza
Huntington prescribes a "civil"—that is, public and compulsory—American religion.

He does no such a thing.

Typically the writer declines to engage Huntington's actual positions and observations.

What point of "majority rules" does the writer not understand?

This is his thrust. Bring a bunch of folks who don't know Andy Griffith, or Leave It to Beaver, let alone George Washington and Robert E. Lee...voting?

Will be messy, at the least.

11 posted on 05/04/2004 4:52:39 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Clemenza
The so called Western civilization is full of racial hatred and war, why would anyone want to worship or emulate it?

Let's stick with the American civilization and heritage.
12 posted on 05/04/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: Clemenza
Nativism, in its 19th-century surge, was very much the darling cause of the New England elites.

Ummm, Huntington is from Astoria - New England elite???

13 posted on 05/04/2004 4:56:54 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Restorer
"In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.—Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service."

This speech was made at the end of a session that featured strong and acrimonious debate. Historians believe that Franklin made it in order to calm the delegates before they left for the day. It was not seconded, and was not adopted.

Note the strongly Deist tone. Franklin was no atheist, but was not a believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ either.

-Eric

14 posted on 05/04/2004 4:57:38 PM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: E Rocc
Agreed. However, the author of this piece claims that B. Franklin would be unwelcome in Huntington's America, a breathtaking bit of hyperbolic BS.

As you say, Franklin, in common with a good many of the other Founders, was not an orthodox Christian. However, he was very far from being an atheist.
15 posted on 05/04/2004 5:01:22 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Clemenza
I like the accompanying artwork:


16 posted on 05/04/2004 5:23:26 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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bigot, nativist hatred, America has lost its mind, his sleazy new book, violently hates Mexicans, fear and hatred, hatemongering, race-baiting, dark hints, ignorant, dishonest, manipulative race-baiting, cranky hatreds, mean-hearted

My spluttermeter topped out 6.8 far below the better 20th century rants from the left. Tsk. tsk. This NY Press employee calls himself a writer?!

How many times are "writers" going to take turns typing in the same boring, inane spins and wornout invective?

The incident in Los Angeles was just "drunken fans cheerfully batter[ing]" opponents -- in this case the opponents were American citizens, no big deal. Had the battered Americans, after the game, asked then "the same crowd . . .would [have joined] hands to sing patriotic American songs in perfect ethnic, if not tonal, harmony." It's the Americans' fault.

The usual "haul out the Irish immigrants" if you think today's immigrants are bad.

The obligatory hate Bush rant, "the president a canting, sanctimonious fool." A two-fer, includes hatred of religion also.

The obligatory hate-America rant, "It's us and our equally devout Muslim counterparts who'll be having all the fun, burning things and yelling about God." We are no better than OBL. Ho hum.

The employee confirms the secularists war against the rest of us. "Bring it on!" he says. Frankly, I cannot wait but I am not going out looking for it. Your move, Dolan.

One serious comment in the whole string of characters. To wit,

As study after study of Mexican immigrants to the U.S. has shown, Hispanics tend to be fiercely patriotic Americans.

As a group they've won more Medals of Honor than any other group, I believe. The difference is they brought their hearts here along with their stomachs.

17 posted on 05/04/2004 5:29:02 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: E Rocc
The characterization of Huntington by this demagogue is most certainly not correct.

This is one reason why its so hard to have a reasonable debate about immigration, and why the mainstream majority view of Americans (i.e. reduce legal immigration and stop illegal imm)is w/o political represenation from the leadership of either party. If one dares question the dogma that unending mass immigration is an unqualified boon then he will be subject to bogus charges of racism, bigotry, and xenophobia.

To say that Huntington 'violently hates' Mexicans is absurd. It proves that the guy is either a complete moron incapable of complex thought, or he is simply a demagogue who won't hesitate to slander someone who goes against the pc orthodoxy, or both.

And as with all supporters of mass immigration who likes to point to past successes in assimilating and absorbing mass waves of immigrants as proof that we shouldn't worry about today's wave, he forgets the past wave was ended by Congressional action that resulted in over 40 yrs of moderate immigration into the United States.
18 posted on 05/04/2004 5:29:56 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Clemenza
BTTT
19 posted on 05/04/2004 5:57:58 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Clemenza
What is surprising is that now, a century and a half after the Know-Nothings vanished in disgrace they reappeared on FreeRepublic.com.

Unfair? Yes. But there's certainly an anti-Hispanic 'element' on FR that only sees them as dirty stupid lazy sub-humans who should be prevented from polluting the US with their presence.

If that doesn't apply to you, don't be offended, it's not meant for you! Comments and insults welcome.

20 posted on 05/04/2004 6:04:17 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (It's a nice day for a white wedding)
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To: Nebr FAL owner; Helms; happygrl; fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; archy; swarthyguy; El Gato; ...
Huntington review(lousy) PING
21 posted on 05/04/2004 6:14:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Clemenza
I'll send John Dolan one of the first copies of "Domestic Enemies," I'm sure he'll be a big fan.

"Domestic Enemies" takes place five years after the end of "Enemies Foreign and Domestic," or notionally about 2014. The action happens between Oklahoma and Southern California, but much of it occurs in New Mexico. The state government of New Mexico has been taken over by nominally Democrat Party Hispanic radicals of the MeCha and La Raza variety, in wildly rigged “touch screen” elections. The NM electoral vote helps to put the ‘rat President over the top, so as you can imagine, no election fraud investigation is forthcoming.

One of the new radical state government’s top agenda items is “land reform.” Large mainly Anglo-owned properties will be confiscated on the pretext that their original deeds and titles are invalid, under the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo, dating from the 1840s. In order to enforce this “land reform” the governor creates a new force, the “Milicia de Nuevo Mexico,” and arms them with surplus M-16A1 rifles from the state guard armories. (The actual NM National Guard is all deployed to the war in East Slambamistan.) The stage is set for a bloody showdown between mainly Anglo ranchers who refuse to leave their ancestral lands, and the Milicia de Nuevo Mexico.

The state government passes “Solo Espanol” laws, in reaction after some other US states pass English-only laws. Police and other government employees who cannot pass difficult oral and written Spanish proficiency tests are fired. Milicia-manned checkpoints are pervasive, searching the cars of Anglos for illegal firearms. The checkpoints are a form of ethnic harassment, part of the new government’s unspoken plan for the ethnic cleansing of “Nuevo Mexico.” (The Indian tribes were bought off as part of the rigged state elections.)

"Voluntarios" from Mexico and Central and South America (as well as left-wing radical gringos of the DU type) are coming to NM for land and a chance to poke a sharp stick in Uncle Sam’s eye. Sort of a Barcelona 1935 atmosphere. Reds, "blacks" (anarchists) and lunatics of all stripes.

Armed volunteers of the Jim Bowie and Davy Crockett stripe are also heading to Nuevo Mexico to support the threatened ranchers; some of these "right wing militia" patriot types will be incorporated into the plot. But I'm not going to make it totally black and white, i.e., "Anglos good, Hispanics bad." I'm going to strive to include many of motives, pure and base, on both sides.

One major character will be a demoralized and disgusted FBI agent in Albuquerque. He's getting all of this incredible information on Chinese subversion ops money and communist infiltrators from Peru to Cuba, but Washington FBI HQ does NOT want to hear about it. DC is in full denial mode. As long as the govt of NM mouths the right USA words, DC will ignore the revolution going on in NM at the street and ranch level.

Plus, to make it worse, HQ keeps sending nonsensical orders for the FBI agents in Albuquerque to investigate who else but....the armed right wing ranchers and others, who are resisting the NM govt’s "land reform" (confiscation) efforts! Don't mind the Chinese and other communist agents; go after the right wing "domestic terrorists" who are violating the strict federal gun prohibition laws and other new federal laws! The frustrated FBI agent lives in this insane PC world, where his DC masters are totally out of touch with reality. (Sort of like today.)


22 posted on 05/04/2004 6:27:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Clemenza
Gezz Clemenza, this author is a moron. Where do you get this stuff?
24 posted on 05/04/2004 6:52:56 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Clemenza; Joe Hadenuf
This awful person (John Dolan) - a bastard child of Edward Said and Molly Ivins - epitomizes intelligence gone awry. The sentences are dipped in sulfuric acid - they eat away at honest scholarship in order not to disturb the hallucinations of modern critical theory and deconstructionism.
25 posted on 05/04/2004 7:37:15 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Ursa63
Actually, I thought that was in a magazine titled (I'm not kidding) "Race Traitor" whose slogan was, "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" or something like that.

It was in Tammy Bruce's second book.
26 posted on 05/04/2004 7:48:52 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts (Rule Britannia. Britannia Rules the Waves. Britons never shall be slaves.)
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To: Clemenza
Oh wow. Dolan has lost his mind. Catholicism is THE reason Mexico has had problems and will continue to have problems. The French (at the behest of Pope Pius IX) invaded Mexico with the specific intention of preserving the Catholic State after Benito Juarez stripped the Catholic church of its power/land and tried to establish a more normal democracy. At the time Juarez enacted his reforms, the Catholic church controlled nearly HALF of Mexican land all of which was TAX EXEMPT.

And, shall we go on with the Cristero Rebellion? Every time I read garbage like the above, it just motivates me to research and document more the mountain of evil perpetrated on society by that bunch. Check the link below and look for two more links at the bottom of the article:

Click here for Cristero Rebellion Link.

This stuff never ends. Huntington finally has the backbone to tell the truth, and someone wants to crucify him. When I teach Mexican history in class, the Hispanic males IN PARTICULAR put their heads down and go to sleep. They are so ashamed of how sorry it is, they don't want to know anything about it. Plus, they don't want others to know either. One young Hispanic male kept telling me in Spanish not to tell the Americans about Mexico's desire to reclaim territory lost due to the actions of Santa Anna. A constant attempt to hide the truth.

27 posted on 05/04/2004 7:59:51 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Clemenza
How old is Huntington now? He has been p.o. people for at least 40 yrs. Remember the role he played in Vietnam War strategy?

I would have to read the book before taking anything a reporter says seriously. But it is true that the Mexican Mafia would have should little chance against Butcher Bill.
28 posted on 05/04/2004 8:15:16 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Travis McGee
Write it as a screenplay. Have you ever read "Story" by Robert McKee?
29 posted on 05/04/2004 8:27:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Fishing-guy
Right, hardly any war or racial hatred in American History.
Except for a few centuries of conflict and slavery.

I prefer to keep Homer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Doestoevsky and Dickens and consider them as part of my heritage as an American. As well as Beethoven, Michangelo, Rembrant and the Messiah.
30 posted on 05/04/2004 8:30:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Clemenza
John is a Wordy little know nothing is'nt he.. must be a democrat.
31 posted on 05/04/2004 8:32:31 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Joe Hadenuf
What is deliciously ironic is the fact that the readers of this paper are as likely to even know who Hungington is is about as likely as them having knowledge of the Black-Scholes Option Pricing formula.

But he did use a lot of words.
32 posted on 05/04/2004 8:34:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: JohnnyZ
I don't find any such thing on Free Republic! The issue at
hand is assimulation into American culture.
33 posted on 05/04/2004 8:45:25 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: upcountryhorseman
The issue at hand is assimulation into American culture.

The melting pot works both ways. American culture eventually changes to incorporate a new cultural influence, and immigrants eventually adopt American culture.

I have had multiple posters tell me all about the damn lazy Mexicans and how if I happen to know hard-working, upstanding ones they must be aberrations.

34 posted on 05/04/2004 9:20:35 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (It's a nice day for a white wedding)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
If that is your argument, then you must also allow others (namely the non-white-Anglo-Saxon-males) to contribute their believes and heritages to the greater American civilization. This tilt toward only Anglo-Saxon must not be right then.
35 posted on 05/04/2004 10:27:00 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I think the odds of hitting a homerun with a screenplay are even lower than writing a best selling novel. The odds are daunting as they are. Now, if you know somebody....
36 posted on 05/04/2004 10:52:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: JohnnyZ
I'VE BEEN LIVING outside the U.S. for a few years, and when I left, bigots like Huntington had to do their ranting at home, subjecting only their relatives to their cranky hatreds. Things sure have changed back home. These days, you can say anything in America, as long as it's mean-hearted and decorated with plenty of flags and references to 9/11

So a man living outside the US is going to comment on American cultural issues, as if Europe or other parts of the world aren't WORSE? And don't forget the gratuitous knock on 9/11. God forbid people start to recognize their enemies and want gangsters and criminals and identity thieves out of the US.

37 posted on 05/04/2004 11:07:24 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: justshutupandtakeit
OT: Wow, I had never heard of this book. I have four completed novels and I'd been toying with the idea of rewriting one or more of them as a screenplay, partly to try the form, and partly to see if I could improve my writing. I'm going to buy or borrow the book from the library and see where it takes me. Thanks for the tip!!
38 posted on 05/05/2004 7:09:24 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Freepmail me if you'd like to read one of my Christian historical romance novels!)
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To: Clemenza
The same soccer fans that enjoyed their age-old right to splatter the opposition with beer and piss probably drove home from the game in pickups plastered with the stars and stripes.

How can the author of this piece possibly make a statement like that? Based on what???

39 posted on 05/05/2004 7:23:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Skywalk
I don't remember endorsing the referenced quote. Clearly the author is a bit deranged, but the direction in which his editorial ranges is not entirely unfounded.
40 posted on 05/05/2004 7:47:30 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (It's a nice day for a white wedding)
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To: Travis McGee
There is no question that the odds are low but the key to getting one accepted is a good story which it sounds like you have. Of course, writing two versions is not implausible either.
41 posted on 05/05/2004 7:53:36 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
I am sure you will want to buy it if you read it since it is like a textbook. McKee is a screenwriter of note and gives classes across the world. His approach is strictly classical and starts with a close examination of Aristotle's Poetics as the basis of the science of telling stories. With Mckee it is all about story so if your novels have a great story in them then all to the better. But it is not easy to transcribe a novel into the screenplay form since novels have much in them (internal dialogue, etc.) which do not easily turn into scenes on a scene.

I took his class a few yrs. ago and heard the best lectures
on any subject I have ever heard. Absolutely fascinating.
42 posted on 05/05/2004 8:00:59 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Clemenza
bttt
43 posted on 05/05/2004 8:04:26 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Fishing-guy
Huntington's arguments are likely not as simplistic as our distinguished author claims. He does think in civilizational terms however and likely does believe that the civilization which came from Angelo-Saxon political thought is superior. This does not rule out participation by others since using good ideas is not excluded to them.

After all one does not have to speak Greek to use democratic methods or Latin to appreciate the rule of law.

Speaking only for myself I believe it would be a disservice to turn away from our heritage both to ourselves and the rest of the world.
44 posted on 05/05/2004 8:08:03 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Clemenza
"Plastered with the stars and stripes", what fantasy land does this bozo live in? Now I'm sure hispanics are patriotic and all, but for the life of me I have yet to see many hispanics driving around with cars plastered with American flags. I did see one guy with an American flag it was right next to his Mexican flag on the cap of his pickup.
45 posted on 05/05/2004 8:16:27 AM PDT by junta
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To: JohnnyZ
Maybe their is such an element here, but its likely a small one. The majority, mainstream view of Americans is that immigration levels into the US should be reduced. That cuts across party and racial lines. Of course one of the things that makes a rational intelligent debate about this issue is that 'anti-Hispanic' or 'anti-immigrant' or 'racist' or 'xenophobic' motives will be reflexively applied to anyone who dares give voice to what Americans actually want done. These bogus charges will be made by the media, the Dem party, the ethnic interests groups, immigration lawyers, and sadly by an increasing number of 'conservatives.'

I don't think there is any doubt that if the current wave were a European one that most would still prefer that it be reduced; just as was done with the last European wave of 1880-1920 by Congressional action -- which no doubt helped assimilate all of those Italians, Germans, Irish, etc. Likewise, a reduction today would no doubt help assimilate all of the Hispanic immigrants.
46 posted on 05/05/2004 8:23:29 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Clemenza
...Anglo-Protestant...

Huntington does tend to avoid the term "Judeo-Christian" in his stuff. However he hasn't worried too much about purity of essence.

47 posted on 05/05/2004 8:28:36 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Travis McGee
Perhaps you ought to hurry before your storyline is OBE and you have to write it in the past tense. It could be my imagination but the old boogey man words of the Left seem to be losing their sting, and without them the various charades of the Left are being exposed.
48 posted on 05/05/2004 9:01:23 AM PDT by junta
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To: junta
Yeah, I don't want to be OBE, that's for sure.
49 posted on 05/05/2004 12:37:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Somehow, I seriously doubt alot of Italian or Irish boxing fans spit on and insulted American flags in the 19th century.
50 posted on 05/06/2004 1:37:32 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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