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FR Exclusive: AP SPIKES JOHN O'NEILL - SWIFT BOAT VETS STORY
Tuesday, May 4, 2004 | Kristinn

Posted on 05/04/2004 6:47:21 PM PDT by kristinn

The Associated Press has spiked reporting on the press conference this morning in Washington, D.C. by John O'Neill and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth where they accused fellow Vietnam veteran and Swift boat unit member Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the presumed Democratic party nominee for president, of being "unfit to be commander in chief."

The stunning revelation was confirmed by the AP's Washington bureau this evening. A spokeswoman for the AP stated that the wire service had sent a reporter to cover the press conference. However, she said the AP decided against running a news article about it because, "It does not further the anti-Kerry Vietnam veteran story any."

Call these numbers tomorrow, not tonight because you'll just get the night staff. The decision makers work the day shift. I've already called both bureaus this evening.

The phone number for the AP's Washington, D.C. bureau is (202) 776-9400.

The phone number for the AP's New York City headquarters is (212) 621-1500. Ask to speak to the president of AP as that is who the D.C. bureau chief anwers to.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ap; assininepress; johnoneill; kerry; kerryboughtap; mediabias; mediablackout; pravda; spike; swiftboatkerry; swiftboats; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; unfit
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To: onyx
Am the new President of the AOII Parents Club and finding out what is expected -- food for finals week is one of those tasks! Will be glad when Friday gets here!
101 posted on 05/04/2004 8:01:55 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: PhiKapMom
You definitely don't want to miss this! Record it if you can't watch tonight. And have a box of tissue handy for some of it.
102 posted on 05/04/2004 8:02:05 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: PhiKapMom
I'll expect a lot of your attention come Friday.
103 posted on 05/04/2004 8:02:47 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: ken5050
He said that if Kerry was no longer the candidate, they would disappear.
104 posted on 05/04/2004 8:03:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ken5050
Used to be at 10:00 CST which would be right now.
105 posted on 05/04/2004 8:03:45 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Hank Rearden
Try the C=SPAN home page......watch and listen.......I bet you can get the feed there!
106 posted on 05/04/2004 8:04:25 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ken5050
Just checked -- not at 10:00 CST anymore! Wonder if they switch in the middle of the night?
107 posted on 05/04/2004 8:05:23 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: ken5050
Soon.......by midnight.
108 posted on 05/04/2004 8:05:34 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
It was stunning. Their condemnation of Kerry rang true and makes Clinton look like a choirboy.
109 posted on 05/04/2004 8:05:41 PM PDT by Peach
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To: onyx
What's Friday?
110 posted on 05/04/2004 8:06:22 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: kristinn
AP decided against running a news article about it because, "It does not further the anti-Kerry Vietnam veteran story any."

But they happily report the "Bush was AWOL" line again, even though that horse was beaten to death at least twice already.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040427/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_medals_21

111 posted on 05/04/2004 8:07:06 PM PDT by Tatze (I will actually vote for John Kerry before I vote against him!)
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To: Howlin
I saw the latter part of it..... A little bit before the Q&A and some of the Q&A......

They really hammered Kerry and anyone thinking he's material for CinC doesn't have a clue, imo.
112 posted on 05/04/2004 8:07:06 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: arasina
Definitely going to watch it later tonight! I have two friends that were killed in Vietnam and Kerry makes me seethe with his I am a Vietnam Vet and hero -- both killed AFTER Kerry joined the VVAW and testified!
113 posted on 05/04/2004 8:07:26 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Mo1
It also proves how scared the Kerry Camp is about this News Conference today

I agree. They don't know whether to promote Kerry as a Vietnam war hero, or to hope everybody forgets about the whole thing.

I am willing to bet there are FAR MORE Vets who resent what Kerry did when he came back from Vietnam than those who think he is a hero.

114 posted on 05/04/2004 8:08:07 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Howlin
These men not only served our country w/honor in the past, they serve it now w/this action and their patriotic concern for its future leadership.
115 posted on 05/04/2004 8:08:31 PM PDT by Carolinamom (No man or woman is poor if he/she can laugh.)
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To: Howlin; PhiKapMom
PKM is finished with her new "duties" for this week,
and if we're lucky, she "might" find time to join us here.
116 posted on 05/04/2004 8:09:03 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: ken5050
Did I ehar O'Neill correctly early in the presser when he said something liek he wanted to see Kerry withdraw as the nominee, or the dems nominate someone else. I was surprised that he'd make that statement.

That wasn't really his point. He was trying to dispel the claim that they're just partisan Republicans who want to undermine Kerry because he's a Democrat. The reason they are doing this is they don't think Kerry is fit to command, pure and simple.

117 posted on 05/04/2004 8:09:26 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: PhiKapMom
From Vice Admirals to Seamen.
They have Kerry nailed.
118 posted on 05/04/2004 8:10:02 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: Carolinamom
Frankly, I'm in a turmoil here, trying to convince myself that I didn't buy into some of the stereotypes Kerry made about people MY OWN AGE.....friends of mine, relatives.

This has hit me hard; I'm afraid I might have believed some of the crap he spewed! I'm afraid he and his merry band of thugs may have colored my perception of what went on over there.

I am greatly relieved that this is all coming out now; and I hope to God that the vets who have carried this on their shoulders for all these years will finally get their due -- and will forgive us.
119 posted on 05/04/2004 8:11:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Interesting Times
I undestand, and agree with you, and O'Neill..I mentioned it because it seemed like the one time in the program when he got "off message" and it was early in the program. Might have been nerves..It's one thing to say, as they all did, that they dont' want to see Kerry as CinC..It's another thing to say that the dems shoudl get a new candidate. THat's a political statement, and they're trying NOT to seem pollitical.
120 posted on 05/04/2004 8:12:18 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: onyx
Did you hear that reporterette ask O'Neill who was paying for this press conference? He said he'd paid $1200 for renting the room. No doubt, in my mind, that these honorable men paid their own way to DC.
121 posted on 05/04/2004 8:13:35 PM PDT by Carolinamom (No man or woman is poor if he/she can laugh.)
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To: Jorge
They don't know whether to promote Kerry as a Vietnam war hero, or to hope everybody forgets about the whole thing.

Then why do they KEEP putting his Vietnam pictures in those ads? HE is the one who keeps making it relevant!

As somebody said here today, it appears that Kerry has staked his run for president on FOUR MONTHS in Vietnam.

But the rules seem to be that HE can talk about Vietnam, but nobody else can question him or his actions.

122 posted on 05/04/2004 8:14:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ken5050
It's another thing to say that the dems shoudl get a new candidate. THat's a political statement, and they're trying NOT to seem pollitical.

True, but he didn't say that.

He said if the Democrats picked somebody else, the Swifties could all go home -- not that they should.

123 posted on 05/04/2004 8:15:11 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
You are right. Perhaps I misstated it.
124 posted on 05/04/2004 8:16:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: kristinn
I overslept, Kerry was is Nam?

125 posted on 05/04/2004 8:17:00 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Carolinamom
Not a doubt in my mind either.
I hooe there's a place on their website
to send donations.
I will definitely send one, maybe two.

Media tried in vain to connect them with GOP
or Bush/Cheney, like that would make their testimony
less credible.

Damn media in this country.
Truly our enemy within.
Think how much better our country would be
IF only we had an honest news media.

126 posted on 05/04/2004 8:17:24 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)
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To: Howlin
My brother was there for an entire year, often in underground bunkers along the Ho Chi Min trail. When it was time for him to come home, he delayed it for a day so he could leave by helicopter bringing in supplies because snipers were all around the area where he was. The pilot who brought him out turned out to be his best friend from our home town! They're still best friends. Unlike youknowwho, he has never bragged about his actions there.
127 posted on 05/04/2004 8:19:14 PM PDT by Carolinamom (No man or woman is poor if he/she can laugh.)
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To: Interesting Times
My point exactly..isn't that a "political" statement, per se?. What they don't want to do is give the press any possible way to band this as political.
128 posted on 05/04/2004 8:20:17 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: All
Yet, Terry McAwful can say that Bush was AWOL. Kerry blames this press conference on Bush. Why can't Kerry and his motley crew accept that these vets have their own opinion of Flipper. He's such a looooooser. I'm ashamed to live in the same state that he lives.
129 posted on 05/04/2004 8:20:50 PM PDT by Jenya
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To: PhiKapMom
Bump!
130 posted on 05/04/2004 8:20:53 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry is excited that Teresa's given him permission to drive his SUV to run a few brief errands)
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To: onyx
It is great!
131 posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:15 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: kristinn
It is my hope that John Kerry is exposed for his abuse of Vietnam Veterans, while he became the outspoken member-leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

It's one thing for any American to voice their opinions, peaceably demonstrate and have protest marches. But it's quite another thing when they step up before the American public to inflame citizen's against the very soldiers, sailors, Marines and Air Force personnel that upheld their personal responsibility to serve their country.

It was a frightful war for all participants, as war always is. Yet these men and women stepped up and did the best they could in that politically charged war, that was costing so many lives.

Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that some things happened, such as My Lai with Lt. Calley. Or that some individuals acted out of line in some way. But for John Kerry to go to Vietnam, experience what veterans were going through, and then come home and accuse them of such atrocities is outrageous.

America and it's Vietnam Veterans can thank the likes of Kerry, Fonda, Tom Hayden and others for causing the war to be extended as the North Vietnamese waited out the political war Kerry was supporting sinside America herself. This in turn cost more American G.I.'s to lose their lives.

Kerry is no friend of America or her Veterans that have fought so bravely to defend and protect her. His actions of throwing his medals/ribbons away in public is proof of that. It was his political move to bring public attention to himself for his political career.

Now in 2004 he miraculously recovers those very same medals as proof of his courage and to once again bring public attention to himself for political ambitions. This time, to demonstrate that John Kerry was a war hero, not a war protester and liar.

Oh sure Kerry says he may have been "OVER THE TOP" in his remarks about his fellow Veterans, but the truth of the matter is, John Kerry sat before our government officials and publicly stated that Vietnam Veterans were killing, mutilating and raping the Vietnamese people on a daily basis.

John Kerry is one of those that placed the jacket on all Vietnam era Veterans of being crazy, drug starved, baby killers. It was John Kerry, Jane Fonda and other whacko's that tarnished the soldier of that day. It was he, John Kerry that placed these thoughts into the minds of American's. His method of getting support for his Anti-Vietnam War beliefs.

It worked back then. Vietnam Veterans have had to live with Kerry's words for over 30 years. They were false words, they were lies and other Veterans were forced to seek cover after being attacked upon their return home after serving in Vietnam. They weren't war heroes, they weren't proud veterans, they were ostracized for being murderers, they were spit on, had urine and feces thrown at and on them and pushed aside as those veterans with all of the mental and drug problems. How could anyone step forward to challenged Kerry?

But John O'Neil a Vitenam veteran stood up and questioned Kerry and Kerry couldn't and wouldn't stand up for himself and offer proof of his statements.

But it was too late anyway, the damage was done and John Kerry benefited from tromping on his fellow Veterans. Now folks it's 2004 and it's the Veterans turn to tromp on John Kerry and the lies he is continuing to tell. His denials of his actions 30 years ago, only to be tripped up by film files, personal accounts and by his own hiding of the very book he wrote.

I have a personal stake in this 2004 Presidential election and like John O'Neil, I don't believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander in Chief. As a Vietnam Veteran, I do not like the thought of knowing while I was serving in Vietnam, John Kerry was accusing me and other veterans of atrocities, while I was serving in Vietnam.

It's time for us Veterans to step up now and retake our legacies. It's time my friends to announce to the world that the likes of John Kerry will never set foot inside the White House and soil it's carpet.

It's time Vietnam Veterans to put the truth back into the war that we won and the anti-War acitivists lost. Remember it's not the medals that make the man, it's the man that makes the medals. Stop Kerry, support George W. Bush for President and let Kerry and his weasel friends know he's the real loser.

132 posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:22 PM PDT by Tactical
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To: Howlin
"...Ths Swift Boat Veterans press interview will RERUN tonight at 12:25 a.m. EDT..."

Bang you very much, Howlin..............FRegards

133 posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:27 PM PDT by gonzo (Look, it's not easy dealing with Tourettes' Syndrome, SO CUT ME SOME F*%CKING SLACK!!..........)
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To: Howlin
I mean.... oh geez, I hope you're a chick...........Gad
134 posted on 05/04/2004 8:23:01 PM PDT by gonzo (Look, it's not easy dealing with Tourettes' Syndrome, SO CUT ME SOME F*%CKING SLACK!!..........)
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To: ken5050
I guess we just read this differently.

The Swift boat vets are going public to oppose the elevation of Kerry to the position of Commander-in-Chief, because they consider him unfit. It seems almost too obvious to say that if Kerry wasn't running, for whatever reason, that they'd have no reason to continue.

135 posted on 05/04/2004 8:24:07 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: gonzo
I'm a gull all right! :-)
136 posted on 05/04/2004 8:25:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
As somebody said here today, it appears that Kerry has staked his run for president on FOUR MONTHS in Vietnam.
But the rules seem to be that HE can talk about Vietnam, but nobody else can question him or his actions.

And only Kerry could be so arrogant as to think everybody is going to follow his "rules" of debate throughout this campaign.

IMHO his post-Vietnam activities are more or a liability than his 4 months of service and "medals" will ever benefit him.

And I believe the Dems are starting to realize this.

137 posted on 05/04/2004 8:27:01 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Interesting Times
We're not reading it differently, I'm just more cynical about the media..and I'm am NOT argung with you, my friend..just wanna make sure abotu that..so, in that spirit, I'll ask you, is there a diffeence between these twompossible front page headlines in the Wp or the NYTimes:

"Vietnam Vets Group calls Kerry "unfit" to be commander in chief", vs.

Vietnam Vets group demands Kerry step down, or Dems choose another candidate..

138 posted on 05/04/2004 8:28:02 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: Howlin
It's so creepy to think that Kerry wenk back to Vietnam and playacted in front of the camera so that he could use this pic in his presidential campaign some 30 years in the future. [shudder]


139 posted on 05/04/2004 8:33:46 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: alnick
Wait. When you say "he went back," what do you mean?

Are you saying he didn't take those photos when he was there for the Navy?
140 posted on 05/04/2004 8:35:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: onyx; arasina
What gets me is when he slaps his hand on his desk whenever he thinks he's making a point. (Alan Colmes)
141 posted on 05/04/2004 8:35:54 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: kristinn
Dan Ratherbiased ran the story on CBS Evening News tonight. He portrayed the Swift boat crewmen as Republican operatives out to smear Kerry. Shocking, huh?
142 posted on 05/04/2004 8:39:32 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Howlin
12:25 am

1:21
News Conference
Kerry Service in Vietnam
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
143 posted on 05/04/2004 8:41:33 PM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1 (What a Tangled Web We Weave . .when first we practice to deceive!)
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To: FlyVet
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/04/eveningnews/main615566.shtml
144 posted on 05/04/2004 8:41:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FlyVet; kristinn
This, from the CBS News article I just linked:

These are some of the same Republicans linked to attacks on Sen. John McCain's Vietnam war record when he faced President Bush for the Republican nomination in the 2000 campaign.

They even went after Sen. Max Cleland, D-Ga., in a TV ad – and Cleland lost three limbs in Vietnam.

"That sticks in my craw and it ought to stick in yours, because if you didn't go to war don't throw rocks at those who did," Cleland said.

The Bush-Cheney campaign quickly denied any part in Tuesday's news conference.

The Kerry campaign was just as quick to say they were behind it.

"It smells like another dirty trick from the Bush-Cheney team," said Vietnam veteran Wade Sanders.

Vietnam: Politicized then, politicized now.
145 posted on 05/04/2004 8:44:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I read a few posts in the live thread that said that that pic came from when Kerry went back to Vietnam after the war to have himself filmed, and that is the footage that's used in his new ads.
146 posted on 05/04/2004 8:48:44 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: Howlin
Jeeze....there was no byline on that anti-Republican screed you posted.

Are they trying to say this is just an unbiased reporting of the press conference? </rhetorical question>

147 posted on 05/04/2004 8:49:00 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Howlin
Well, wasn't THAT open and fair? </sarcasm
148 posted on 05/04/2004 8:49:03 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Take THAT Kerry and Hitlery! FREEPERS ROCK!!!!)
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To: alnick
I am, quite frankly, stunned at that revelation. I had assumed he did it while he was there on his TWO TOURS.......LOL.
149 posted on 05/04/2004 8:50:36 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I hope I didn't misunderstand. If I can find the posts referring to that, I'll let you know.
150 posted on 05/04/2004 8:51:48 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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