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PHONY IRAQI ABUSE OUTRAGE SYNDROME
Regularguys.com ^ | 05/05/04 | Larry Wachs

Posted on 05/05/2004 8:05:46 AM PDT by slim mackerel

WHEN GOOD NEWS COMES OUT BAD

Happy Cinco de Drinko everybody!

There's is so much good news in the paper lately. Only problem is it's presented as bad.

The latest trick of the left, which proved incredibly effective last decade in helping Rodney King become a WMD, is to work up a lot of phony outrage at Iraqi prisoners being tortured and abused by our military.

"Iraqi Prisoner Urinated On!" And the problem is..? It's the least we can do, really. OK, you're in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01. What would you choose? Someone flying a packed airliner into your head or getting peed upon in the lobby? Thought so. To the anti-US news reporters the only American allowed to pee on others is R Kelly. The only outrageous thing to me is that the soldiers did not shout, "That's for Tillman and Pearl" while they were emptying their bladders on the kindly shepherds.

Yes, I know. Even Rumsfeld and Bush are outraged. What do you expect them to say? "Well, the White House believes that pissing on a guy has it's merits?" Don't they already have their hands full trying to explain to the mentally disabled of the print media the basic concepts of right vs. wrong and self-defense?

It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military. And it's sad that some people are eager to prosecute any of our military as war criminals before Saddam Hussein answers to his evil.

Abuse is necessary for the survival of a free state. These "prisoners" have another name. Enemy combatants. We are fighting dirty people who see Geneva Conventional warfare as old school. "Yo my sand nigga. That's a bunch of Babylonia. Knowwhatitisthatiamsayingtoyoumyfriend?"

As I said last year on the air to much hootery and derision, the eggshells upon which President Bush must walk to fight this war will continue to cause needless death. Lob a nuke and see what happens. It worked for the Japs. They sure as hell calmed down and concentrated on electronics and sushi.

Everytime we conquer a land everyone wins.When we fought Germany did anyone think it would yield some of the kinkiest porn America has ever seen? Tons of Jews driving Mercedes?

We whipped Russia's ass, everybody loves vodka now...more so than Raymond. It's even flavored for the 'tweens.

Britain and Canada...America's twin sons. We steal all their comedians and TV shows and make them better..Tom Green being the exception.

The South is in much better shape than the North these days. NASCAR is huge everywhere. We even succeed when we kick our own ass! That's how great this country is.

So before we weaken ourselves even further in the eyes of the Arab world by holding congressional hearings on the wedgie, let's make examples of the soldiers who have bravely farted in the face of evil by giving them medals that they can bring back home so John Kerry can toss them over a fence.

TOMORROW: MORE GOOD NEWS DISGUISED AS BAD

[IMG]http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2004/04/30/image614954x.jpg[/IMG] "I'm gonna win that immunity idol, dammit."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuse; alittlelitehazing; bush; iraq; iraqipow; rodneyking; rumsfeld; torture; war
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To: Squantos; Eaker
Lol, he said he is a 'nut', and I like 'funny'! Hope he's not a corn-nut, they're hard to chew on!!
181 posted on 05/05/2004 9:50:42 PM PDT by potlatch ( Medals do not make a man. Morals do.)
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To: potlatch
LOL..........STAY SAFE !!
182 posted on 05/05/2004 9:52:09 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Long Cut
"there is not one single active-duty FReeper who is not totally sickened by these events. HUGE majority of the vets, too."

The ones who aren't just haven't taken time to read the report, LC.

Thanks for your post, pard.

183 posted on 05/05/2004 10:00:24 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Texasforever; Long Cut
TF, it's one heck of a long read...most investigative reports of this nature are! But this link is to the report based on Army Regulation 15-6 investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade and BG Janice Karpinski. It lists the names of the perpetrators, the prisoners, and some of the soldiers/sailors who did things right by bringing forward their concerns over the behavior of the MPs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1130271/posts

An excerpt, LC, regarding one of the major findings by LTG Sanchez against BG Karpinski:

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1. (U) On 19 January 2004, Lieutenant General (LTG) Ricardo S. Sanchez, Commander, Combined Joint Task Force Seven (CJTF-7) requested that the Commander, US Central Command, appoint an Investigating Officer (IO) in the grade of Major General (MG) or above to investigate the conduct of operations within the 800th Military Police (MP) Brigade. LTG Sanchez requested an investigation of detention and internment operations by the Brigade from 1 November 2003 to present. LTG Sanchez cited recent reports of detainee abuse, escapes from confinement facilities, and accountability lapses, which indicated systemic problems within the brigade and suggested a lack of clear standards, proficiency, and leadership. LTG Sanchez requested a comprehensive and all-encompassing inquiry to make findings and recommendations concerning the fitness and performance of the 800th MP Brigade. (ANNEX 2)

2. (U) On 24 January 2003, the Chief of Staff of US Central Command (CENTCOM), MG R. Steven Whitcomb, on behalf of the CENTCOM Commander, directed that the Commander, Coalition Forces Land Component Command (CFLCC), LTG David D. McKiernan, conduct an investigation into the 800th MP Brigade’s detention and internment operations from 1 November 2003 to present. CENTCOM directed that the investigation should inquire into all facts and circumstances surrounding recent reports of suspected detainee abuse in Iraq. It also directed that the investigation inquire into detainee escapes and accountability lapses as reported by CJTF-7, and to gain a more comprehensive and all-encompassing inquiry into the fitness and performance of the 800th MP Brigade. (ANNEX 3)

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19. (U) I find that individual Soldiers within the 800th MP Brigade and the 320th Battalion stationed throughout Iraq had very little contact during their tour of duty with either LTC (P) Phillabaum or BG Karpinski. BG Karpinski claimed, during her testimony, that she paid regular visits to the various detention facilities where her Soldiers were stationed. However, the detailed calendar provided by her Aide-de-Camp, 1LT Mabry, does not support her contention. Moreover, numerous witnesses stated that they rarely saw BG Karpinski or LTC (P) Phillabaum. (Multiple Witness Statements)

184 posted on 05/05/2004 10:09:25 PM PDT by HiJinx ("Occupation is too important to be left entirely to the diplomats." wretchard 5-5-04)
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To: Long Cut
There is much sadness and shame in the ranks today. The hatred we feel for these animals is palpable for what they have done to us. We don't blame the press, or even the Liberals for this one. We blame those who DID IT, and we also realize that all of us will have to carry a portion of the shame, possibly for a long time to come.

Your complete post Long Cut is well put, well said. But let me inform you and please relay this to all your fellow military comrades, there is no need for you or any of the others to be ashamed. Think of and always remember all the good that you guys and girls have done.

The last paragraph of your post is the most sensible and true statement that I have heard since this mess has been in the media. We often times missed the truth or just refuse to accept the truth because we are too busy pointing fingers.

Again thank you for your service and please pass it on to others that the American people stand behind you guys 100%. Some of us our mature enough and understanding enough to know that there are some bad apples in just about every bunch.

185 posted on 05/05/2004 10:19:43 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Long Cut
I'm trying. Articles like this, and the response they generate, do not help much.

I totally agree. I got pinged to this article twice. When I started reading it, I got pissed until I read your post. Thanks Long Cut, on this one we are thinking along the same line.

186 posted on 05/05/2004 10:26:47 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: humble; Howlin; PhiKapMom
LC's letter at #60 is where to start,there is a link to the official investigation,worth reading,#117 and the list of abuses from the investigation posted at #126.
187 posted on 05/05/2004 10:30:43 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
#184..short description of command failure.
188 posted on 05/05/2004 10:32:26 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: TexKat; Long Cut; commish
#185 expresses what I feel...Thank you,TexKat.
189 posted on 05/05/2004 10:36:32 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
Thank God for the honesty and level headedness of Long Cut and those of like mind.
190 posted on 05/05/2004 10:58:21 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
I have spent hours,it seems,pinging people over here.His letter needs reading and the report needs to be the basis for our information,not rumor and guesswork.I hate that this is so hurtful to those who had no part.
191 posted on 05/05/2004 11:04:17 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: slim mackerel; chadsworth; Ah Beng; notpoliticallycorewrecked; Mama_Bear; JustAmy; nopardons; ...
ROTFL! Do not miss one of the funniest pieces ever posted on FR!!!
192 posted on 05/05/2004 11:06:31 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: Long Cut
BUMP

I agree with your sentiments. I have heard some on talk radio (HOSTS!) defending this by pointing to the actions of the Iraqis and saying "it wasn't that bad".

I WILL say that the American soldiers who were captured, some of whom were killed, had their pants pulled down, and shown on television (last year) were also the victims of a war crime. The only thing I will bring up is that the media has ignored any followup on that story (and yes the media did characterize it as violating the Geneva Conventions at the time). Have those Iraqis been taken into custody? What is the state of their war crimes trial?

I will also say that the media is giving this election year coverage. There was a similar event reported last year with British troops simulating oral sex with the prisoners. It did not get this level of coverage.

I do not excuse the behavior of anyone involved in these crimes (or suggest that they did not really happen). I do point out the difference in coverage by the media regarding war crimes committed against the allies in this war.

The "insurgents" are terrorists who often don't wear uniforms and strike at civilians. As you said, they don't play by the rules. We do. We cannot stoop to their level but the media needs to be accurate in describing the attrocities committed by all combatants in this war. Otherwise the public will walk away with a biased opinion.

193 posted on 05/05/2004 11:09:45 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: ladyinred
Start reading at #60.#126 has a list of abuse information from the report.and 184,a short list of command failure.117 is the link to the long report.
194 posted on 05/05/2004 11:12:25 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: weegee
Dougle standards,bias in the media,and political pandering are terrible..HYPOCRISY is rampant, but the story is bad and our armed forces are angry and being hurt over the wrongdoing of these incompetent,twisted jerks.
195 posted on 05/05/2004 11:16:12 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Long Cut; Eaker
Beautiful post!

I think the world of all of you guys and it's a shame that a few miscreants can cast such a bad light on so many who don't deserve it. (The media has been helpful in that as well.)

Stay safe and keep fighting the good fight!

196 posted on 05/05/2004 11:25:45 PM PDT by Allegra (Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, MUSHROOM!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Long Cut
Tonkin, thanks for the ping. I read the article before I read Long Cut's response. I was so disgusted I almost didn't bother reading any further. Then I went ahead and read a few of the early responses. That was depressing. I was beginning to think I was the only one here with any morals. I skipped ahead to Long Cut's response that you pinged me to, and I'm so glad I did. My faith in humanity is restored. Long Cut, thanks for taking a stand.
197 posted on 05/05/2004 11:28:00 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 a.m. EDT, until she's safe.)
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To: MEG33
MEG if you pinged me, thank you very much. I receivd other pings to this article also. But I started reading from the very beginning of it and was turned off until I read Long Cuts post. That made my day. Frankly I had backed off from reading the threads about this subject in disgust and actually had logged off. I logged back on when I heard about the car bomb tonight at the Green Zone.

What the hades is the following about?

U.S. Demands Retraction for Abuse Photos

Wed May 5, 8:15 PM ET

By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - The U.S. Embassy demanded a retraction Wednesday for photographs published in the Egyptian press that it said were faked pictures of American soldiers sexually abusing female prisoners in Iraq.

But editors of two of the three publications involved said Wednesday they saw no grounds for a retraction. The editor-in-chief of the third publication, Al-Wafd, was not available.

"We have done a thorough investigation of the origin of these photos and have conclusive evidence that they originated on a pornographic Web site," the embassy said in a statement. "They are clearly staged photos, done by actors, as the site itself states."

"Their publication needlessly inflames an already heated atmosphere," the statement added, referring to Arab outrage over the revelation last weekend that U.S. soldiers had sexually humiliated male prisoners in Iraq. The U.S. television network CBS broadcast photographs of the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison, just west of Baghdad.

U.S. authorities have condemned the soldiers' actions and promised to bring them to justice.

The editor of the Egyptian weekly Al-Osboa, Mustafa Bakri, dismissed the U.S. Embassy's complaint. His newspaper published at least one photograph of a man, purportedly an American soldier, taking sexual advantage of a woman as one of a series run across three pages on May 3.

"We have published, maybe, one picture from the Internet, which was one of several pictures published by the media," Bakri told The Associated Press. "The kind of pictures on CBS made us believe that any other picture is authentic.

"Now the U.S. Embassy is speaking about pictures that were published only on the Internet. OK, let us agree on what CBS published, aren't they enough?"

The editor of Al-Mussawar, Makram Mohammed Ahmed, said he was not aware of the U.S. Embassy complaint. This week, his magazine published a picture of a partially naked woman with parts of her body blacked out.

Ahmed said he would not rule out that fake pictures were circulating.

The AP could not reach its editor-in-chief, Abbas el-Tarabili, on Wednesday night and staff at the newspaper said only he was authorized to speak about the matter.

198 posted on 05/05/2004 11:56:18 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Long Cut
We blame those who DID IT, and we also realize that all of us will have to carry a portion of the shame, possibly for a long time to come.
I've little pity or respect for those acting or those acted upon. However, your "group shame" you can keep to yourself. I've no shame as the actions were not my own. Everyone accountable for their own actions.
You're playing a very liberal game with the manure you're pushing there!
199 posted on 05/05/2004 11:57:59 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: TexKat
I had heard of this.They are taking pictures from porno sites and saying they are our guys.It's enough already.

I was looking for an example of Iraq terror and googled.It was a revelation how many sites(not iraqi) offered rape pictures,torture,it must be very popular.Gag I did not click on!
200 posted on 05/06/2004 12:03:19 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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