Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

PHONY IRAQI ABUSE OUTRAGE SYNDROME
Regularguys.com ^ | 05/05/04 | Larry Wachs

Posted on 05/05/2004 8:05:46 AM PDT by slim mackerel

WHEN GOOD NEWS COMES OUT BAD

Happy Cinco de Drinko everybody!

There's is so much good news in the paper lately. Only problem is it's presented as bad.

The latest trick of the left, which proved incredibly effective last decade in helping Rodney King become a WMD, is to work up a lot of phony outrage at Iraqi prisoners being tortured and abused by our military.

"Iraqi Prisoner Urinated On!" And the problem is..? It's the least we can do, really. OK, you're in the Twin Towers on 9/11/01. What would you choose? Someone flying a packed airliner into your head or getting peed upon in the lobby? Thought so. To the anti-US news reporters the only American allowed to pee on others is R Kelly. The only outrageous thing to me is that the soldiers did not shout, "That's for Tillman and Pearl" while they were emptying their bladders on the kindly shepherds.

Yes, I know. Even Rumsfeld and Bush are outraged. What do you expect them to say? "Well, the White House believes that pissing on a guy has it's merits?" Don't they already have their hands full trying to explain to the mentally disabled of the print media the basic concepts of right vs. wrong and self-defense?

It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military. And it's sad that some people are eager to prosecute any of our military as war criminals before Saddam Hussein answers to his evil.

Abuse is necessary for the survival of a free state. These "prisoners" have another name. Enemy combatants. We are fighting dirty people who see Geneva Conventional warfare as old school. "Yo my sand nigga. That's a bunch of Babylonia. Knowwhatitisthatiamsayingtoyoumyfriend?"

As I said last year on the air to much hootery and derision, the eggshells upon which President Bush must walk to fight this war will continue to cause needless death. Lob a nuke and see what happens. It worked for the Japs. They sure as hell calmed down and concentrated on electronics and sushi.

Everytime we conquer a land everyone wins.When we fought Germany did anyone think it would yield some of the kinkiest porn America has ever seen? Tons of Jews driving Mercedes?

We whipped Russia's ass, everybody loves vodka now...more so than Raymond. It's even flavored for the 'tweens.

Britain and Canada...America's twin sons. We steal all their comedians and TV shows and make them better..Tom Green being the exception.

The South is in much better shape than the North these days. NASCAR is huge everywhere. We even succeed when we kick our own ass! That's how great this country is.

So before we weaken ourselves even further in the eyes of the Arab world by holding congressional hearings on the wedgie, let's make examples of the soldiers who have bravely farted in the face of evil by giving them medals that they can bring back home so John Kerry can toss them over a fence.

TOMORROW: MORE GOOD NEWS DISGUISED AS BAD

[IMG]http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2004/04/30/image614954x.jpg[/IMG] "I'm gonna win that immunity idol, dammit."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuse; alittlelitehazing; bush; iraq; iraqipow; rodneyking; rumsfeld; torture; war
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-293 next last
To: Fishing-guy
I don't recall Iraqi prisoners being electrocuted, burned, exploded, run thru wood chippers, or having their tounges cut out while in American custody. Having this argument is in itself an illustration of newly acquired rights of Iraqis. In the past, they'd just vanish. It does not excuse inappropriate(who decides) treatment of enemy combatants, but it also illustrates the urgency for transitioning of powers to the Iraqi people.

The world is not just Mother Theresa on one end and Saddam on the other. That's not a moral relativism excuse either. Just because you're not in Mother Theresa's camp does not imply you are in Saddam's.

51 posted on 05/05/2004 11:49:07 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: MACVSOG68
I wouldn't want Saint Peter's job huh? I've read the "Just War Doctrine" and this issue was addressed in the book. Difficult arguments with inconclusive rationalizations of what's right based on reason.

I remember my dad telling me about North Koreans captured in the Korean War by American units, and then turned over to South Korean units as POW's in good health and condition. The NK's lived about as long as it took to lock and load under the SK units custody.

Where do we stand historically in this action in Iraq? I think this won't even get a footnote.

52 posted on 05/05/2004 11:58:51 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: blackdog
You suggested earlier that I do my homework. Here's some for you:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001
53 posted on 05/05/2004 12:05:43 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: blackdog
It would appear that our president disagrees with you.
54 posted on 05/05/2004 12:06:45 PM PDT by dmz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: dmz
He has to. Dirty work and all.....
55 posted on 05/05/2004 12:10:13 PM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: slim mackerel
As I said last year on the air to much hootery and derision, the eggshells upon which President Bush must walk to fight this war will continue to cause needless death. Lob a nuke and see what happens.

Sigh...it's a different world now, because the Left pretty much has had an easy time of it since WWII turning this into an oh-so-PC nation. We don't fight wars to win anymore. We "establish a presence" then worry about winning "hearts and minds." (A small consolation, thanks to the Euro-Left, Europe is even softer than we are.)

56 posted on 05/05/2004 12:23:32 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Our place in this war? On the political front lines, as our Armed Forces fight on the battle lines.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: slim mackerel
Hell, I have no sympathy for the dirtbags we have imprisoned over there - none whatsoever. The problem is three-fold though:
1) We are supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard in the first place. Enough said.
2) Whomever it was taking the pictures should be executed for being JUST THAT DAMN STUPID!!!
3) Probably the most important aspect for folks to consider when assessing the conduct of our "military" personnel over there is that the MPs in question are RESERVISTS - not active duty.
Slice it any way you want, but it does make a huge difference. I know because I am active duty and I have been to Iraq. Not to criticize all Reservists, but Active Duty Soldiers have a higher standard of conduct (I stress USUALLY, before anyone flies off the handle...) when dealing with captured enemy combatants and in combat in general.

The truly bad part of all this is not the humiliation brought to the Iraqi prisoners...the Hussein regime treated his own soldiers worse than we are...it's the huge setback all this is to our entire effort.
57 posted on 05/05/2004 12:48:04 PM PDT by Don Simmons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bin2baghdad
I am not saying what they did was policy, but I am not ashamed they did it at all.

USMC 1977-1981

I am glad they did what was necessary, without leaving marks on their bodies, to make them humiliated enough to talk.

Maybe many other things worked, but if this method worked, I am willing to allow it.

After all, you KNOW what they would have done to YOU if you were captured! You would not be home, we all saw the films of those captured at Nasiriyah, Jessica Lynch and all, and many of those men were shot in the forehead, right in the middle of the forehead, intentional shooting in the head from close range, pants pulled down...

Urinating on a prisoner is mild compared to what many people wanted.

I am more amazed they took pictures and shared them, and I am amazed they made it public!
58 posted on 05/05/2004 3:03:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: slim mackerel
To the anti-US news reporters the only American allowed to pee on others is R Kelly.

And Lyndon B. Johnson.

59 posted on 05/05/2004 3:08:33 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LindaSOG; bentfeather; Radix; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Kathy in Alaska; Poohbah; hchutch; ...
Well, Canteen FRiends, I'm going to surprise you all here.

I, and every Sailor I've talked to over tha past days since this story broke, are absolutely DISGUSTED by the conduct of those yahoos that were supposed to guard those prisoners. It has shamed us all, and has brought great disgrace upon those of us who wear our uniforms with pride, and attempt at all times to carry ourselves with dignity.

I does not matter WHAT Saddam's toadies did before, or what the enemy does to us. You do NOT justify vile behavior in our troops by pointing to that of others. WE are the ones who are SUPPOSED to be different...the honorable ones, the strong who nonetheless use our strength to protect.

You all know me as a STRONG supporter of the Terror War, and those who continue to fight it. I know the same about you. Please listen to me on this. NO GOOD comes from trying to excuse or explain away what these vermin did. The damage they have done to our morale and standing with the American people is incalculable. When someone in a uniform does something rotten, then we ALL are tarred with that brush.

Another point: THIS WAS TORTURE. Some of the exact same things were done TO ME when I attended the Navy's Survival, Escape, Resistance, and Evasion scool, where we were taught through VERY rough experience that torture can be both MENTAL and PHYSICAL. Both are equally damaging and brutal. All the more so here, as there was absolutely no point to it, other than some yahoos getting their jollies.

These prisoners had no time-critical intel to impart. There weren't even any reports suggesting that they were being unruly. If they were carrying important intel, they would have been interrogated with drugs, far from cameras or laughing jerks in some perverse peanut gallery. If unruly, they would have been isolated. This was nothing more than some brutal, vicious REMFs getting their rocks off, while their superiors looked the other way. Christ, their top sarge was a prison guard in civilian life! He knew fully well that what they did was wrong.

You can say that the media is blowing this way out of proportion. So what? That's what they do, and it is only all the more reason that these jerks were stupid...they gave the Leftist media exactly what it wanted. Like it or not, the press has been on a hunt for another Me Lai since the start of the war. How stupid do you have to be then to do this, take pictures of it, or to ignore it if you are in command? Now the Left has what they want, and those idiots gave it to them on a silver platter.

Fraternity pranks? I was in a fraternity, and no such pranks were EVER played on ANY person in it. If they had been, I would have quit on the spot. Those prisoners, however, could not, nor could they go to a college administration with complaints about abuse, which can happen to ANY fraternity that doesn't watch its ass.

Anyone who thinks that this "wasn't so bad" is invited to spend two weeks in SERE school, and tell me again at that time.

The bottom line here is that anyone who puts on a uniform of the United States Armed Forces has a charge to keep. We are ALL taught about the Geneva Convention and the UCMJ regarding not only our own conduct if taken prisoner, but the treatment of others. We are also charged with conducting ourselves at all times in a dignified, honorable manner, and to not bring disgrace upon our Brothers or our Country. The morons who did these acts failed, in every respec, as did their commanders.

Yes, our enemies often act like savages. No, they do not recognize Geneva. However, as Americans, we are held to a much higher standard, both by the world AND the Americans we protect, as we should be. How many Americans now will look at EVERY returning Soldier as some ticking time bomb? How many will wonder, just a bit...

You guys have been my FRiends now for over three years. I've shared a great deal with you, and I hope I've earned your trust. If I have at all, please, trust me on this: Keep supporting the troops as you do. But DO NOT assume that those fools involved in this disgrace are worthy of that same support or respect that you shower us (thankfully) with. To condemn acts of barbarity is NOT to withdraw all support; it is in fact strengthening it for those who truly deserve it...those Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines who do their difficult and dangerous jobs with Honor, Courage, and Commitment, and who conduct themselves with the highest standards of decency in the defense of Liberty, as befits an American Fighting Man.

There is much sadness and shame in the ranks today. The hatred we feel for these animals is palpable for what they have done to us. We don't blame the press, or even the Liberals for this one. We blame those who DID IT, and we also realize that all of us will have to carry a portion of the shame, possibly for a long time to come.

Thak you all once again.

60 posted on 05/05/2004 5:17:14 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
I agree with you 100% Brother!
61 posted on 05/05/2004 5:21:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops! Past, Present and Future)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks, Tonk. This has been devastating to us. I've rarely seen morale this low.

Tell a few others, willya? I've seen some not-so-intelligent things here the past few days.

62 posted on 05/05/2004 5:24:39 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
Excellent and well thought out post. I hope those who think this was a fraternity prank read it as well as the DOD report linked from Fox and MSNBC.
63 posted on 05/05/2004 5:25:50 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
Preach it, brother!
64 posted on 05/05/2004 5:26:02 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
"Like it or not, the press has been on a hunt for another Me Lai since the start of the war."

The big 5 liberal media and Hanoi Kerry
65 posted on 05/05/2004 5:27:20 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC The alphabet liberal media who cover up Hanoi Kerry's Viet Nam past.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
I'm trying. Articles like this, and the response they generate, do not help much.
66 posted on 05/05/2004 5:27:57 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
I'm starting to become convinced that over 50% of my fellow human beings are bigtime meatheads...
67 posted on 05/05/2004 5:28:35 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Yep. And now they've got one. Courtesy of a bunch of brutal slobs and their commanders who never should've been within spitting distance of their commissions.

When the President himself comes out and says that he's disgusted by it, YOU KNOW the private conversations he's having with the Joint Chiefs and Sec Def are real one-sided. I bet he looked Secretary Rumsfeld in the eye and said, "I want stars, on my desk, soonest. (pounds desk) I want somebody's B**LS, NOW!". The only thing that you can say to that is, "YES, SIR!"

68 posted on 05/05/2004 5:33:24 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
"This has been devastating to us. I've rarely seen morale this low."

The media has played this over and over and over.
Then Hanoi Kerry jumped in and opened his traitor mouth.
Yet none of the big 5 liberal media dared show the Press Conference about his time in Viet Nam.
Just like in my time, your time also has to deal with the media.
When was the last time you saw a good story about the military in Iraq or Afghanistan on the big 5 liberal media?
69 posted on 05/05/2004 5:33:58 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC The alphabet liberal media who cover up Hanoi Kerry's Viet Nam past.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: LindaSOG
bump!
70 posted on 05/05/2004 5:34:14 PM PDT by The Mayor (A true friend helps you keep going when you feel like giving up.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
I really have to believe that they are well-intentioned, but their support is misplaced. It's not disloyal or bad to condemn disgraceful acts, without reservation. It doesn't mean you don't support the war or the troops.
71 posted on 05/05/2004 5:35:30 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I doubt seriously I ever will. We've all come to expect it, though. It's one of the things that keeps us to high standards of conduct.

The jokers at that prison gave the Left a perfect club to bash us all with. And they will.

72 posted on 05/05/2004 5:37:49 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LindaSOG; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; Bethbg79; bentfeather; ...
PING to Active Duty Long Cut's response
73 posted on 05/05/2004 5:37:50 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC The alphabet liberal media who cover up Hanoi Kerry's Viet Nam past.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: MACVSOG68
PING to post #60.
74 posted on 05/05/2004 5:41:54 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Odd, isn't it? The level of "revulsion" in the world to the acts of a few out-of-control US soldiers. I will not mitigate their crimes: I expect, after a proper investigation, the offending soldiers will be sent to prison for a VERY long time IAW UCMJ, not CNN. I hold them in contempt and disgust, bottom line. But that is the difference, we punish these criminals, our enemies do not.

That said, I am wondering where the world's "revulsion" was during 9-11 when Arabs and Palastinians were dancing in the streets. I wonder where it was when our soldiers were dragged throught the streets in Somalia. I am wondering where it is every time a homicide bomber attacks women and children in Isreal. Where was it when 4 civilians were mutilated, burned and hung in Iraq? Where was it when Arabic terrorists tried to kill 80,000 in Jordan last month?

So, Mr, Mrs, (and whatever I missed) World, excuse me if I can't show the "universal revulsion" the world socialists, tyrants, terrorists and leftists show now, but seem to forget about when the atrocities happen to Americans or Isrealies.

Let the military justice system work. And Jonny Kerry better stay far away from this topic since I feel it is my duty to arrest him for war crimes he admitted to and throw him in the same prison these soldiers will go to (though he is also guilty of sedition, aiding and abbetting a hostile power, being a member of a group reported to advance the ideas of killing US leadership, etc...charges that will never see court, but should).
75 posted on 05/05/2004 5:46:02 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: blackdog
"Again, I say uniformed combatants. No uniform, no rules. That's the Geneva Convention"

A Prisoner of War (PW) is defined as enemy personnel - in or out of uniform who carry arms openly.

76 posted on 05/05/2004 5:46:57 PM PDT by Tommyjo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
EXCELLENT
77 posted on 05/05/2004 5:47:24 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
I agree.
Thanks!
78 posted on 05/05/2004 5:47:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (A lesson in all of this- Something about hiring better help that doesn't stand around &watch you die)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
Thanks for your post.
79 posted on 05/05/2004 5:48:12 PM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Don Simmons
Thank You for your service to our country.
80 posted on 05/05/2004 5:49:19 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC The alphabet liberal media who cover up Hanoi Kerry's Viet Nam past.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut; "Tony" Aguilar; 13th warrior; 1L; 1riot1ranger; 2bfree; 2_4texas; 375 H&H; 43for8; ...
I am on my knees saluting you FReeper Brother.

I am on my knees because I am praying to the Lord that this doesn't happen again.

I am saluting you because you are doing one hell of a job.

Thank You!

81 posted on 05/05/2004 5:49:24 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
God bless all of you and all the armed forces that suffer for the acts of a few.We must not allow another Kerry to arise and paint all with a broad brush,not ever.

Thank you for serving our country.
82 posted on 05/05/2004 5:58:19 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
BTTT for post #60. Thanks, Long Cut. You have my support.
83 posted on 05/05/2004 5:58:43 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Take THAT Kerry and Hitlery! FREEPERS ROCK!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
I'm an old dog-face and I'm outraged beyond belief.

That was not the condition that I left "My Army" in when I retired in '92. Then who or should I say what was running it from 92 to 2000? What happened to all our services in the Grandiose social experiments fostered upon our services in the name of the "Peace Dividend" and "PCism?"
84 posted on 05/05/2004 5:59:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: blackdog
"There are not too many countries who are signators of the Geneva Convention."

At the last count there were 189 nation states that have signed the convention.
85 posted on 05/05/2004 6:06:21 PM PDT by Tommyjo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
Long Cut, you have stated what I feel about this better than I could.

We ARE better than this behavior. That is what makes us different from people that use loaded jetliners to knock down office buildings. I am ashamed that these morons have allowed themselves to become the face of the U.S. Military. I am ashamed that they gave the press the type of story the press has been having orgasms over -- the type of story the press has been praying for.

I want their officers OUT of the military and I want those that perpetrated these actions turning large rocks into small rocks at Leavenworth.

"'They' do it" does not cut it as an excuse to behave in this manner.

"I didn't know any better" is the first lie told by the guilty.

"My husband is just a scapegoat" comes a pretty close second.

I, along with you, am heartsick over this, and disgusted at those who would excuse these barbarities.
86 posted on 05/05/2004 6:08:55 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Eaker

87 posted on 05/05/2004 6:09:43 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: SandRat; All
It's not just the PC crap. Just look at the commanding "general" of Abhu Graib, Jans Karpinski.

Her vomit-inducing attempts to deflect blame, avoid the responsibilities of command, and overall ass-saving Bravo Sierra on TV is symptomatic of the OTHER Clinton-induced disease...that of avoiding, through any means, accountability.

I've talked to officers in my command. They are, one and all, outraged that a high-ranking officer is conducting herself in such a manner. They know, full well, what message is being sent down the chain by her self-serving babyfacing. It's that Flag Officers will pay "lip service" to the ideals of the service, but when the time comes to actually LIVE by them, they'll run for the tall grass and leave the "E"'s holding the bag. Our officers (including the C.O.) were livid at what she did to their ability to command respect from the men under them.

30 years ago, Richard Nixon (who, although he may NOT have been personally responsible for the conduct of his surrogates) rsigned rather than bring dishonor to his office. He chose, in the end, to do the right thing for the country. Fast forward to Slick...he denied, lied, blamed others, dissembled, reversed himself, and fought tooth-and-nail to hold onto that office and title he loved so much more than the nation he was SUPPOSED to be serving. Obviously, his example was seen, and heeded.

88 posted on 05/05/2004 6:12:16 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: No Truce With Kings
""'They' do it" does not cut it as an excuse to behave in this manner."

Those who use that logic must believe that we should have set up crematoriums for Japanese and German Americans in WWII, after all, "they did it".

89 posted on 05/05/2004 6:14:39 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: Peach
Long Cut's posts at #60 and on down...important view from active duty members.I read a similar message from a soldier in Iraq.
90 posted on 05/05/2004 6:16:28 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Eaker
Bump for truth and service!
91 posted on 05/05/2004 6:16:39 PM PDT by NYTexan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: MEG33; prairiebreeze
Hah! Great minds think alike. Yours and prairie's that is.

She was just telling me to go look at that from about thread 60 or 62 on.


92 posted on 05/05/2004 6:17:57 PM PDT by Peach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: bin2baghdad
You're not defending me or any other soldier when you defend lawlessness.

Understood. I know I don't care what bad happens to the average sand maggot. They must be quarantined or destroyed. The authorities can take whatever action or not. I have no interest.

93 posted on 05/05/2004 6:18:04 PM PDT by Stentor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut; Travis McGee
It's not just the PC crap. Just look at the commanding "general" of Abhu Graib, Jans Karpinski.

Her vomit-inducing attempts to deflect blame, avoid the responsibilities of command, and overall ass-saving Bravo Sierra on TV is symptomatic of the OTHER Clinton-induced disease...that of avoiding, through any means, accountability.

If a BG whines about "not enough training" should that be taken as resigning their commission? I would certainly hope so. Where was she under fire to deserve the rank????

I have no military prison guard training and I would not have done this simply on moral grounds!!!

94 posted on 05/05/2004 6:19:11 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: blackdog
Further to my earlier post I was forgetting about the definition from the US Supreme Court. In UK forces and for the rest of the world it is very more simplistic "Enemy personnel - In or out of uniform who carry arms openly".

95 posted on 05/05/2004 6:20:46 PM PDT by Tommyjo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: bin2baghdad
Ping to #60, Soldier. Keep reading after that...the slobs at the prison don't have all that many friends here, which is heartening.
96 posted on 05/05/2004 6:21:48 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: MEG33; Longview
Thank you for your message and your service. Duly noted.
97 posted on 05/05/2004 6:22:20 PM PDT by Peach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Eaker
I have this image in my head of the President saying to Secretary Rumsfeld, as she was spilling her Bravo Sierra babyface routine, "I want those stars, on my desk, soonest. Preferably pinned to her skull."

From what I've seen of the President, I'm probably not that far off.

98 posted on 05/05/2004 6:24:53 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: jmstein7
An important message from an active duty Freeper#60 and on down.
99 posted on 05/05/2004 6:24:56 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: Long Cut
'Those who use that logic must believe that we should have set up crematoriums for Japanese and German Americans in WWII, after all, "they did it".'

Sadly, there are times that I have seen people come close to stating just that.
100 posted on 05/05/2004 6:25:33 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-293 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson