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Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR
News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif

Herb Meyer is calling for a holy war to save western civilization. But the former Reagan CIA official has a problem: Most people don’t know what it is he wants to save.

"We’ve forgotten what Western civilization is," Meyer told "We no longer teach it in the schools. If you come to the schools where I live and ask a group of high school students ‘what is Western Civilization?’ They’ll tell you it’s slavery, the oppression of women and we don’t recycle.”

But Western Civilization is not made up of our faults; all civilizations have those. Meyer contends, “It’s the rule of law, the idea of individual and economic rights, scientific inquiry - this is important stuff and our failure to teach our children what Western Civilization is may be the worst mistake we’ve ever made."

Meyer was not one just to ride into the sunset after his government service with Ronald Reagan. During the 1980s he served as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence, William J. Casey. Meyer played a key role in helping Ronald Reagan and Bill Casey win the cold war. Meyer was also one of the first analysts to predict the breakup of the Soveit empire.

Now, this former CIA analyst says it’s the U.S. and the West that may just crackup.

In fact, he has just produced a new video, The Siege of Western Civilization," that makes his point, and explains to Americans what we need to save.

Meyer also had a distinguished career in journalism. He's a former associate editor of Fortune, author of several books and dozens of published essays about politics and economics.

Meyer has put together the case – sometimes in shocking detail - the continuing assault on the very underpinnings of the civilization which has produced the concepts of religious and individual freedom, economic liberty, and the rule of law which have guided mankind for centuries.

This foundation of civilization led to a flowering of art and literature, monumental scientific discoveries and a living standard unmatched in all history.

But now Meyer is worried Americans today are willing to lose it all because they have no idea of how it all came about.

He argues that there has been an assault against Western civilization.

This attack he sees as three pronged:

A new civil war fought against the existence of any moral code governing conduct

A war against the kind of population growth required to sustain a nation’s economy and the welfare of its elderly people

An attack by a brand of Islam which seeks nothing less than to subjugate the Western world. This video is available on dvd or cassette, and is one every high school student in America and their parents should see.

Meyer tackles all three threats and explains what has to be done if Western Civilization and its incredible benefits are not to be vanquished.

"People want to be talked to seriously about the issues that confront us," Meyer explained. "They want to be talked to about the war, about our culture and about our economy. What they need more than anything else, is a way to pull it together, to connect the dots so that they have a context for following the news and for understanding what’s happening out there, and that’s what we tried to do in the video: To give them that context, to connect the dots, for them."

Population Suicide

You don’t hear much about it, but the Western world and Japan are in the process of committing population suicide – and America is not far behind.

Current birthrates in England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and in Japan are far below what its required for a society to reproduce itself and sustain a healthy economy.

Russia is a population basket case. To reproduce itself, the birthrate must be 2.1 children per family. In Europe it’s almost half that, and in the U.S. it’s now 2.0 and headed down. In a mere 20 years, the population of some European nations and Japan will have dropped by an astonishing 30 percent.

"We seem to have forgotten what every primitive society understands: you need children," Meyer told

"They are a blessing obviously, but from a practical point of view they are consumers which an economy needs and then they grow up and become taxpayers. If you don’t have a big enough tax base you simply cannot generate the wealth to take care of the older people.

"And that’s what’s happening in Western Civilization today. We simply don’t have enough working age people to support the retired people.

"It’s the worst in Europe and Japan and we are obviously on the same trajectory. We can see what’s happening in Europe and Japan, so we have some time to deal with it."

Meyer says a second civil war is being waged against the culture of Western Civilization by hordes of neo-barbarians.

No Rules

"Back in the 1960s we just decided to throw away the rule book. We said ‘You don’t need rules anymore; everybody do whatever you want. If it feels good, do it.' That was a terrible mistake and we’re paying a price for it now. We expanded rights but no one wants to take responsibilities. You have to match the two. If you’re going to have more rights, you have to have more responsibility, but we want the rights without the responsibility."

And there is a worldwide war of terrorism against Western Civilization being waged by the fanatical wing of Islam.

Radical Islam Wants Us Gone

While noting that there are millions of good and decent Muslims in the world Meyer warns that "There is within Islam a radical streak and when the radicals are in charge, Islam attacks Western Civilization.

"It did that in the 7th century, it did again in the 15th and 16th centuries, and it’s doing it now in the 21st century. What we call the War on Terror, is in fact radical Islam’s third attack on Western Civilization. Terrorism is the tactic they are using."

Meyer insists, "We have to go back and understand just what it is we are fighting for. And when you understand Western Civilization then you have a very clear sense of who the enemy is, what they are attacking and why it’s worth defending."

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: herbmeyer; militantislam; us; ussr; waronterrorism; westerncivilization
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1 posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
U.S. May Fall Like USSR

Someone's off his meds..

2 posted on 05/05/2004 3:55:42 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: yonif
Only if John Kerry is elected.
3 posted on 05/05/2004 3:57:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: AntiGuv
Ya think? Some call it "imperial over reach."
4 posted on 05/05/2004 3:59:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- -----)
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To: yonif
The legendary Pat Buchanan has been saying this for years. This CIA fella is behind the times.
5 posted on 05/05/2004 4:02:26 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: yonif
Now, let's compare and contrast this Q&A from Victor Davis Hanson's website :

Q: When does civil war happen? Can it be caused by a failure of deterrence? Our country is becoming extremely polarized, could a civil war be in our future?

Hanson: Anything is possible, but there are still more ties than fault lines—popular culture, common allegiance to certain values of fair play and meritocracy, a general ease and familiarity in American culture. I was worried at the time of Clinton’s disgrace that some tried to destroy rather than discredit him, and now we see that same excess in the attacks against Bush that transcend politics and reveal a visceral hatred. But certainly, there are two divergent views of what this country should be—whether it is committed to liberty and an equality of opportunity or more to egalitarianism and a government-mandated equality of results.

The balance of ties vs. faultlines no longer applies, I think. That's why I believe that a very ugly civil war is unavoidable. I'll take it one step further and suggest that not only is it inevitable, but that it is also necessary. Consider, for a moment, the nature of the enemies - foreign and domestic - of civilization. They're not going away. They aren't amenable to reason, facts or logic. What they seek is not merely control over the economic details of your life, but they also seek dominion over your innermost thoughts and feelings. They don't just want your stuff - they want your soul as well. And they expect you to applaud them for it.

That's enough to tell you that this next war is one that we must absolutely fight to win. No negotiation, no compromise, no neutral ground.

6 posted on 05/05/2004 4:03:05 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: AntiGuv
What kind of meds do you think he should be taking?
7 posted on 05/05/2004 4:04:14 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: yonif
We have long ago passed the point at which we could be saved.
8 posted on 05/05/2004 4:04:37 PM PDT by the (See ya in the camps.)
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To: yonif
Say what you will - the man makes valid and chilling points.

9 posted on 05/05/2004 4:05:30 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: yonif
Sounds like this fellow is making some good points.
Anyone read his book, it sounds interesting?
10 posted on 05/05/2004 4:07:18 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: AntiGuv
"U.S. May Fall Like USSR"

"Someone's off his meds.."

Actually had algore won/stole that election of 2000 there is no telling where we would be today. With JFKerry calling for us to turn our security over to the UN...

Liberals are on the fast track to "destroy" our Constitution through whatever means necessary. You really ought to check out what 'history' lessons are being taught regarding this nation.

11 posted on 05/05/2004 4:07:56 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: AntiGuv
He's saying that our educational system has undermined our sense of the value of Western civilization, making us vulnerable to subversion from within and attack from without. If you think he's off his meds, you haven't been paying close attention to what the Islamists are saying and how far advanced their agenda already is in Europe.
12 posted on 05/05/2004 4:10:36 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Noumenon
The US has the military capability to annihilate any "clasical" enemy. Will our nuke subs and missiles make any difference in this new kind of war? If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?
13 posted on 05/05/2004 4:10:37 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: nygoose
This guy needs meds that keeps him from hallucinating.
14 posted on 05/05/2004 4:11:07 PM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: yonif
With Ft. Bragg, Kennedy space center, Camp Lejune, Kings Bay sub pens, Norfolk Naval base and a host of AF bases, the South should do much better this time around.
15 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Fitzcarraldo
If we wiped Mecca and Medina and all capital cities of the Islamic world off the map would that win the war?

They have to pray towards the Ka'aba five times a day. Kind of hard to do that when the Ka'aba's been turned into a thousand-mile plume of radioactive soot... (c8

16 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:24 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: AngieGOP
I think he's only covered 10% of what could happen.
17 posted on 05/05/2004 4:13:40 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: yonif
I agree with Mayer.
I have heard that at one time Bin laden was a mercenary employed by the US ( I have no sources for this but I have heard it many times) to drain the USSR of resources and lose the will to fight thus eclipsing into the end of the "cold war".
Some claim the Afghanistan/soviet conflict contributed greatly to the downfall of the USSR.
If this is true could Bin Laden now be a mercenary hired by unknowns to do the same to the USA ?
This is just one factor. Another is the "Cultural War" angle. Micheal Savage ( I love that nut case he thinks like me, all over the map) details basically the same premise he details in his book " The Enemy Within ".
Much of this is evident even in how for a week now the media is all over this prisoner abuse scandal, yet the torture of our men in Falluja got maybe two days , the story about the failed terror attempt in Turkey, 0 days, the mass graves in Iraq a blip.
18 posted on 05/05/2004 4:14:19 PM PDT by Freesofar (vicariously micromanaging reality from the safety of my keyboard,)
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To: Rebelbase
Hey! Give us right thinking Northerners time to come join you before you start shooting!
19 posted on 05/05/2004 4:14:59 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (You can have my gun when I'm done shooting your cold, dead body with it.)
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To: AntiGuv
All nations eventually fall.
20 posted on 05/05/2004 4:15:21 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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