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VIET 'ATROCITIES' NOW CLOBBER KERRY
New York Post ^ | 5/06/04 | DEBORAH ORIN

Posted on 05/06/2004 12:15:10 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:21:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

May 6, 2004 -- IT was bizarre yesterday to hear John Kerry criticize President Bush over the Iraqi prisoner-abuse scandal, considering Kerry publicly confessed to committing war "atrocities" when he served in Vietnam. "Yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers," Kerry told "Meet the Press" in 1971, ticking off "free-fire zones" and burning villages in violation of the Geneva Convention.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004election; 2004electionbias; aidandcomfort; confessedwarcriminal; election2004; flipflops; johnfinkerry; johnkerry; kerry; kerrycampaign; kerrysflipflops; kerryswarcrimes; liedtocongress; lyingliar; presidentwafflehouse; traitor; treason; unfitforoffice; unindictedcriminal; vietnam; vietnamwar; waffles; warcriminal; warcrims

1 posted on 05/06/2004 12:15:10 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Hey it's not every election the Democrats nominate a confessed war criminal.
2 posted on 05/06/2004 12:26:01 AM PDT by thoughtomator (yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
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To: kattracks
He now says some of his words were inappropriate but has never recanted his claims of U.S. atrocities by himself and others - recanting would mean saying he lied in sworn testimony to Congress.

Actually Kerry has recanted (several times I believe). The one transcript I've read is from an interview with Tim Russert in 2001. He characterized his claims of committing war crimes to be the words of an "angry young man" (a LIE). To lie to the media repeatedly (as well as Congress even if he wasn't under oath) in a time of war provides aid and comfort to the enemy. It is an act of treason. Axis Sally was convicted of treason after WWII.

3 posted on 05/06/2004 12:28:58 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: thoughtomator
Nothing quite like these democrats that try to put one war criminal in the white house and demand 6 more "war criminals" (sorry I missed the verdict at their trial) be sentenced to the big house at Levenworth ! Their mantra of all for me and none for thee is as thick as six foot up a bulls butt IMHO.

Just my opinion of course....Stay Safe !

4 posted on 05/06/2004 12:38:22 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: kattracks
I wonder if all this talk about VN has Kerry in nightmares. It should.
5 posted on 05/06/2004 12:47:30 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: kattracks
* Kerry still has no war room, despite Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's warning that it's vital.


wake up dumb arse pubbies!
KERRY is NOT yet the nominee.
And his boss is telling him about it...

hillary is running folks.
6 posted on 05/06/2004 12:52:25 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: thoughtomator
Hey it's not every election the Democrats nominate a confessed war criminal.

Dimocrats I talk with seem to think that it should not only be pardoned because he was courageous enough to testify to it, but that he should be commended as another level of hero.

7 posted on 05/06/2004 2:14:14 AM PDT by highlander_UW ("Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: kattracks

8 posted on 05/06/2004 2:24:47 AM PDT by The Raven (<<----Click Screen name to see why I vote the way I do.)
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To: kattracks
Sigh... I wish I could get the NY POST where I live. Internet just doesn't do it the justice it deserves.
9 posted on 05/06/2004 2:36:54 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: kattracks
Sigh... I wish I could get the NY POST where I live. Internet just doesn't do it the justice it deserves.
10 posted on 05/06/2004 2:36:55 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: kattracks
Sigh... I wish I could get the NY POST where I live. Internet just doesn't do it the justice it deserves.
11 posted on 05/06/2004 2:36:55 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: kattracks
Boston Globe - By Joan Vennochi - The wrongful acts of a few***Using the story of Abu Ghraib for political advantage now is a mistake; it will only fuel his (Kerry's) opponents' fire. Denounce the wrongdoers, call for the appropriate punishment and follow-up investigations, but do not drag American soldiers into the vortex of presidential politics.***
12 posted on 05/06/2004 2:41:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Robert_Paulson2
How much you wanna bet Hillary! has had her warroom set up for some time?
13 posted on 05/06/2004 2:43:23 AM PDT by Ladysmith
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To: kattracks
Anyone got links to audio of Kerry saying this and other things? I figured it might be a good idea to get all this audio grouped together in one place where any FReeper can find it. Then when someone is going on a John Kerry FReep, they can download all those audio tracks of Kerry, burn them to disc, and can play them on the radio at the FReep repeatedly.
14 posted on 05/06/2004 2:48:49 AM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: kattracks
Another of Sen. Byrd's constituents. I think we need to investigate Robert Byrd!

W.Va. reservist caught up in a storm of controversy***FORT ASHBY, W.Va. - Lynndie England loved a good storm. Growing up in West Virginia, in a quiet crossroads of a town called Fort Ashby, she would seek them out. During tornado warnings, her mother recalls, she would have to drag her daughter back inside the house. Meteorology, her former teachers say, was the career she wanted to pursue - specifically, as a storm chaser.

Now, the storm has found England. The 21-year-old Army reservist is perhaps the most visible character in the controversy over the abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison: the thumbs-up, pixieish, T-shirted soldier, smiling, pointing and posing for the camera with naked and humiliated Iraqi inmates.

Terrie England, still waiting yesterday to hear whether her daughter was going to be charged criminally, has seen the photographs more times than she can stand. "It's all over the news, but we're not hearing anything new. They just keep showing the pictures," she said. "How many times do I have to see those pictures?"

Sitting in their living room, Lynndie England's parents say they are convinced she was not involved in any interrogations, that she was not part of any abuse and that she is not getting a fair shake from the military she loved.

Since January, they say, she has been asking for legal representation and gotten none. For the past month, she has been restricted to the Army base at Fort Bragg, N.C., awaiting word on what repercussions she faces for, in their view, being in the wrong place at the wrong time and being photographed there.

They have not seen her since just before Christmas, when she was home on two weeks' leave. Sick, tired, coughing and about 25 pounds lighter than when she left, she spent most of the time sleeping, they say.

An independent sort known to speak her mind, Lynndie England joined the Reserves while she was a junior at Frankfort High School in Ridgely, W.Va. She was known for doing her work, causing no trouble, and for wearing combat boots and camouflage fatigues to school. After her junior year, while most students were on vacation or at summer jobs, she went to basic training. ***

15 posted on 05/06/2004 2:55:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Robert_Paulson2
hillary is running folks.

Is her platform going to be "I'm not Kerry"?

16 posted on 05/06/2004 3:16:33 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: weegee
Actually Kerry has recanted (several times I believe). The one transcript I've read is from an interview with Tim Russert in 2001. He characterized his claims of committing war crimes to be the words of an "angry young man" (a LIE). To lie to the media repeatedly (as well as Congress even if he wasn't under oath) in a time of war provides aid and comfort to the enemy. It is an act of treason. Axis Sally was convicted of treason after WWII.
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It isn't John Kerry's fault if his line of BS doesn't play well nationwide. It worked great for years with liberal Massachusetts voters and Kerry doesn't know any better way. He's robotically trotting out the same line of BS for the nation.
17 posted on 05/06/2004 3:25:48 AM PDT by dennisw (Exposing John Kerry--> Swift Boat Veterans for Truth---> http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: kattracks
My understanding is that there is no statute of limitation on war crimes - INDICT AND TRY JOHN FREAKIN' KERRY NOW!!!
18 posted on 05/06/2004 3:55:33 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Is her platform going to be "I'm not Kerry"?

No, Hil-liar doesn't need a platform. She'll wait until the last minute to jump on board so that there won't be time to investigate her past for the general public.

19 posted on 05/06/2004 4:23:35 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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To: kattracks

"When I was in Vietnam, (did I mention I was in Vietnam?)we didn't take prisoners. We'd finish them off with our M-16's. Can't get a Silver Star by taking prisoners. Anyway, if we did take prisoners, we would have never made them strip and make fun of them. That would have been wrong."


20 posted on 05/06/2004 4:32:26 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Guys like John Kerry spit on guys like me. I've been waiting 33 years to spit back.")
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To: kattracks
Kerry needs to put his "money where his mouth is." Since he's been calling for subjugating U.S. policy to that of the U.N., Kerry needs to surrender himself to the World Court for his admitted atrocities in Viet Nam.
21 posted on 05/06/2004 5:01:41 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: kattracks
recanting would mean saying he lied in sworn testimony to Congress.

So sometimes he doesn't flip-flop, but instead sticks to his story. Hmmm...

22 posted on 05/06/2004 5:32:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: no more apples
She'll wait until the last minute to jump on board so that there won't be time to investigate her past for the general public.

Oops...

04/19/04 - The Federal Election Commission has opened a formal probe into a star-studded Aug. 12, 2000 Hollywood fundraiser for then-first lady Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign, Fox News Channel reported on Sunday. And some say the development is at least partly responsible for Sen. Clinton's claim that she's not interested in joining John Kerry's presidential ticket.

The allegations themselves are not new: Two of the event's organizers, Hollywood producer Peter Paul and charity fundraiser Aaron Tonken, have detailed a series of transactions undertaken in conjunction with Hillary's campaign that could violate FEC regulations, with Paul charging that the campaign failed to report nearly $2 million he spent producing the event.

But months before Paul was returned to the U.S. to stand trial in the stock case, Hollywood fundraiser Aaron Tonken began cooperating with federal probers. Tonken has said that he's a star witness against the Clintons in a federal grand jury probe in New York into Mr. Clinton's Marc Rich pardon - and has been cooperating with the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles who's probing his fundraising activities.

FEC Heat Hurts Hillary's VP Chances

Background:

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton surely hopes that history isn't repeating itself with the raid conducted by the FBI last month on another warehouse; this one chock full of documents from her 2000 Senatorial campaign.

"The documents were seized in a May 30 raid of a California storage facility containing documents of Peter Paul, the entrepreneur who funded Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign with over $2 million dollars in direct, in-kind contributions which were never reported by Hillary Clinton or her Senate campaign, as required by law," revealed the public interest law firm Judicial Watch in a press release late last week.

FBI Raids Hillary's Warehouse in Whitewater Deja Vu

The Bush administration has quietly done an about-face on allegations that New York Sen. Hillary Clinton broke campaign finance laws in 2000 - with the Justice Department preparing to extradite one-time Clinton fund-raiser Peter Paul to the U.S. as part of a plea deal for his testimony. The sudden action on Paul's case comes just weeks after reports surfaced that former Hollywood fund-raiser Aaron Tonken has supplied damaging testimony about Hillary Clinton's fund-raising practices.

"I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton," Tonken claimed in a recent report on his case in Vanity Fair magazine, explaining that prosecutors wanted his testimony about" "fundraising activities that I've done on behalf of the Clintons." The exact nature of Tonken's allegations against Sen. Clinton remains secret, the magazine said. But the celebrity moneyman is known to have been involved in the August 2000 fund raiser that is at the heart of Peter Paul's allegations.

The End of Hillary Clinton

Peter F. Paul, the flamboyant Hollywood entrepreneur who says Hillary Rodham Clinton has hidden almost $2 million of in-kind contributions he made to her campaign in 2000, is back from Brazil and promising to raise a ruckus about the New York senator as he fights bizarre securities and bank-fraud charges on which he's been indicted. Aaron Tonken, a political operative in Hollywood and a former protégé of Paul under indictment for a variety of alleged sharp deals with the rich and famous, also is promising to tell everything he knows about behind-the-scenes shenanigans of Clinton and many others.

Clintons' Fall Guy May Turn the Tables (Peter Paul)

Mr. Paul has substantial, documentary evidence detailing his close relationship with the Clintons and his funding of the Hollywood tribute, including cancelled checks, hand-written thank you notes from the Clintons, and photographs. Also named in the complaint is Clinton fundraiser David Rosen, Clinton friend James Levin, and Hollywood celebrity fundraiser Aaron Tonken, who currently is under criminal investigation for his role in other Hollywood fundraisers. As a result of Mr. Paul’s disclosures, federal authorities have launched an investigation into the Clintons and other matters. Mr. Paul, who is facing alleged (and related) stock and bank fraud charges, remains eager to cooperate with federal authorities.

Clinton Whistleblower Peter F. Paul Sues Bill and Hillary Clinton for Fraud, Conspiracy, Unjust Enrichment

Thank you for playing Ms. Clinton, we have some lovely parting gifts for you...these exquisite matching stainless steel bracelets and an all-expense paid trip to beautiful Danbury, Connecticut. Now...who will be our next contestant? COME ON DOWN!

[Note: For those that don't get it...Danbury is the Federal Penitentiary mentioned in all of the Martha Stewart articles]

23 posted on 05/06/2004 6:24:51 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Hillary is not going to run.
24 posted on 05/06/2004 6:28:24 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Quagmire...Vote Kerry!!!)
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To: ravingnutter
I think the idea behind kerry is to make him look so bad that a pile of Chicken s&^t would look better as a candidate.

Then anyone who the RATS choose to Torrecelli Kerry with would have a better chance at beating Bush.


25 posted on 05/06/2004 6:29:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Only difference between the liberals and the Nazis is that the liberals love the Communists.)
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To: thoughtomator
Yes, here he is calling for Rummy to resign over other peoples "war crimes", yet we are suppose to forget he committed the very same crimes during his VN "experience".
26 posted on 05/06/2004 6:32:12 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Interesting. Howard Wolfstan may not be on the payroll but is still "running the war room" for Hitlery.

* Kerry still has no war room, despite Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's warning that it's vital. Ex-Clinton staffer Howard Wolfson was hired to run a war room, but left after 41/2 days. Word is, other Kerry aides felt threatened.
From this story about Hillary caught in lie over her Arab media interview:
Joe Scarborough, on MSNBC’s ''Scarborough Country'' apparently got a scathing phone call from Clinton’s office after he mentioned her interview. He invited Howard Wolfson, Sen. Clinton’s former press secretary/communications director/whatever the heck they call themselves these days, to respond to his staff’s investigation. And respond Wolfson did. Vociferously. Vehemently. Venomously. But, unfortunately, not very accurately. Perhaps because there’s no synonym that begins with ''v''....

27 posted on 05/06/2004 6:42:21 AM PDT by hobson
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To: kattracks
So on a 1-to-10 scale, how high is the panic meter gone?

"Seven -and climbing," says a New York Dem.

Now, do I hear eight? Bwahahahhaha!!

Prairie

28 posted on 05/06/2004 6:56:21 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Ted Rall is a waste of perfectly good oxygen.)
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To: ravingnutter
"I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton," Tonken claimed in a recent report...

I bet Lloyds of London won't sell this guy life insurance.

29 posted on 05/06/2004 7:07:10 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: kattracks
"Yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers," Kerry told "Meet the Press" in 1971, ticking off "free-fire zones" and burning villages in violation of the Geneva Convention.

I'm wondering if this murderer could still be procecuted for war crimes even if it is 35 years later? Just a thought because you know if he was a republican the rats would already have the lawyers picking the jury for the trial!
30 posted on 05/06/2004 7:08:48 AM PDT by Lucky2 ( 2004 is the year the Yankees will win the World Series and GWB will be re-elected!)
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To: OXENinFLA
IT was bizarre yesterday to hear John Kerry criticize President Bush over the Iraqi prisoner-abuse scandal, considering Kerry publicly confessed to committing war "atrocities" when he served in Vietnam. "Yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers," Kerry told "Meet the Press" in 1971, ticking off "free-fire zones" and burning villages in violation of the Geneva Convention.

Do ya think Leaky Leahy is APPALLED at Kerry's actions??

31 posted on 05/06/2004 8:28:17 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: ravingnutter
Thank you! Very glad you brought that info to my attention. Is this going to be enough to get rid of her?
32 posted on 05/06/2004 10:35:30 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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