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The small-town girl who ended up on every channel (Lynndie England Leash Girl)
The Baltimore Sun via SMH ^ | May 7, 2004 | John Woestendiek in Fort Ashby, West Virginia

Posted on 05/06/2004 8:13:05 AM PDT by dead

Edited on 05/06/2004 8:34:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Lynndie England loved a good storm. During tornado warnings her mother would have to drag her back inside the house. Her teachers say she wanted a career as a storm-chaser.

Now, the perfect storm has found her.

From hometown hero to the reviled woman holding the leash . . . US Reserve
soldier Lynndie England with an Iraqi prisoner in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.
Photo: The Washington Post

The petite 21-year-old army reservist from the quiet crossroads town of Fort Ashby in West Virginia is the most visible character in the controversy over the abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison. She is the thumbs-up girl, the pixie-ish, T-shirted soldier, smiling, pointing and posing for the camera with naked and humiliated inmates.

Soon after the release of the photographs, Terrie England was on the telephone with her daughter while watching television.

Full story ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amateurdominatrix; dummy; idiot; iraqipow; lynndieengland
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To: expatguy
But surely, first, they deserve a military trial and their superiors need to be held accountable, don't you agree?
121 posted on 05/06/2004 9:34:30 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (As an overseas Yank, in all my years, I've NEVER seen such disdain toward Americans & the USA.)
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To: mbraynard
Or at least into a "double wide", what with the AV industry cash advances on her first flick....
122 posted on 05/06/2004 9:35:12 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (As an overseas Yank, in all my years, I've NEVER seen such disdain toward Americans & the USA.)
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To: tlrugit
"Old addage: Whatever happens, don't let them turn you over to the women."

Another old addage: Anyone who can bleed for a week and not die is not someone to mess with.

123 posted on 05/06/2004 9:36:09 AM PDT by Positive
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
"she's so TINY looking."

Yes, she is. In fact I'm susprised they allowed her to deal directly with terrorist suspects, all of whom are bigger than her.

124 posted on 05/06/2004 9:36:28 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: commonerX
Well, if you have your way, we will probably both be taken prisoner in our own country and enslaved, so we can discuss it further then by tapping out Morse code between cells.

Judging by your use of words and snap judgments of other people's mental abilities, I wouldn't want to have to live by your wits.
125 posted on 05/06/2004 9:37:05 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: SandyInSeattle
"In my Marine Corps, you are expected to think."

Consider Puller's comment, "generals are a dime a dozen, but a good shotgun is hard to find." The thinking should focus on your duty and the commander's intent of objectives. Marine leadership teaches Marines what is important to focus on, gives them knowledge and promotes the developement of wisdom within them to enable them to produce results that fulfill the commander's intent.

This soldier was a private under the guidance of older, senior noncoms and officers. She was following their lead. Unless she is more knowledgeable and wise than they are, it is unlikelikely she would ever know in the short term what she was actually doing. Now she will be told that what she's done was wrong and why it was.

They were not torturing and killing prisoners. It is doubtful she could have told the rest of the bunch that they were doing it all wrong and they should do what she suggests.

126 posted on 05/06/2004 9:37:31 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I was refering to the Iraqis.

Btw, how are things in Japan, Im in Texas for a few weeks before heading back to Malaysia.

Just had a beautiful steak last night grilled over Mesquite.

127 posted on 05/06/2004 9:37:44 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: dead
The picture at the top of this thread makes me want to vomit.

For every person that says that we don't needs guns to protect ourselves from our own government, this picture proves otherwise. We are no different from the Iraquis with respect to what happens to people when one group gets to play "prison guard" and one group gets to play "prisoner." The guards become oppressors, and the prisoners become the oppressed.

As a side note, where was the outrage in the Arab community when Saddaam was doing worse than this to his OWN people??
128 posted on 05/06/2004 9:40:21 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Polybius
I'm not defending what she did - if she's guilty. I would like to know the entire context.
129 posted on 05/06/2004 9:40:45 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: spunkets
Also other released prisoners have said, "these guys were being bad". Given their behavior and the directives of her superiors, it's easy to see why she went along.

I think you are right.

It is clear we are totally over-reacting now in the media. Some prisoners were bad, and some idiot officer somewhere decided that this kind of humiliation was appropriate. It wasnt, it was abhorrent. But it was an exception not a rule, and now we have huge amounts of handwringing, with no sense of balance nor context. No sense of balance that this humiliation is far less serious than the brutal tortures that are regular in saddam's Iraq or even in other Arab countries today. (eg practices like throwing people to lions, forcing gasoline in them and then shooting them and watching them explode, the 'grenade in the mouth' trick, the acid pourings on flesh, the burning tortures, horrible beatings, etc.

Meanwhile 98% of what the US is doing is extremely careful. Often the enemy is using 'human shields' and there are many cases where US troops have decided not to fire at an enemy combatant in a crowd to avoid civilian casualties. The enemy knows this, so they deliberately fire mortars from residential areas, use mosques/schools, etc. and fire from crowds.

One story I read mentioned how a soldier had to watch as his buddy was killed and then burned in a vehicle. This was in an area where the soldiers had previously helped build the schools and helped bring water supplies up to par and other works. And some Iraqis nearby were cheering this grisly scene. Did the young soldier, manning a machine gun at the time, kill those Iraqis cheering the death of his friend? No, he held back.

Every day our soldiers are holding back from being even more harsh. Every day, our soldiers die from an enemy that is cruel and cowardly; just today another car bomb that killed Iraqi civilians that dared to go near the US 'green zone'. Every day on FR, we hear calls from the "MOAB" crowd to be more, not less, harsh and damn the civilians and collateral casualties.

we are not, should not, and cannot approach the level of barbarity of our enemy. Not even with this pictures.

130 posted on 05/06/2004 9:41:00 AM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: dead
You know I can understand abuses taking place during wartime. These prisoners are creeps and likely deserve every bit of this, but what I can't understand is people wanting to take pictures of themselves doing it. It's like those idiot gang members who keep the security videos of themselves holding up convenience stores.

Drill sergeants and commanders ought to impress this stuff upon new recruits. Maybe something like this, "You're going to have break some eggs to make an omelette over there, but for God's sake, don't take any pictures of yourself doing it."
131 posted on 05/06/2004 9:41:55 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: Chief_Joe
Is there any real proof that Jessica Lynch had photographs taken of her in any compromising situations? Are you only quoting rumors, or do you have some concrete evidence?

If you are correct, so be it. However, I think we should be very careful about reporting rumors if we do not have certain evidence.

No rebuke intended, just caution.
132 posted on 05/06/2004 9:44:01 AM PDT by arjay ("I don't do bumper stickers." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: Skooz
One things for sure. The dame's sure no longer anonymous.

Just Google her and she is on PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE of websites around the world. Name, age, hometown, high school, photo. Sample such as this, from a German site:

"...Die Gefreite Lynndie England, mit ihrer Zigarette im Mundwinkel vor den Genitalien eines Iraker posierend, diese Frau hat mit einer Aufnahme vergleichsweise..."

133 posted on 05/06/2004 9:44:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (As an overseas Yank, in all my years, I've NEVER seen such disdain toward Americans & the USA.)
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To: proust
Yep. And imagine what would have happened if the picture was of a male soldier holding a female on a leash.

If you replaced the female in these pictures with a male and the males with females, you would have this case already over with and the guy locked up in Leavenworth. The very reason the case seems to have been bottled necked and is dragging on is because of a reluctance to prosecute some of those responsible who happen to be women: England and Karpinski.

134 posted on 05/06/2004 9:44:19 AM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!)
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To: JCEccles
"Far more posts are being improperly chracterized as approving of the abuse when they clearly disapprove of the abuse. These posters apparently don't satisfy the 'purer than thou' critics who for some reason seem incapable of noting two important facts: first, the abuse was uncovered and stopped by the US itself without being prompted by public outrage; second, the offenders are being appropriately sanctioned and prosecuted."

Very well said. Thank you.

135 posted on 05/06/2004 9:44:58 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Henrietta
"We are no different..."

Bravo Sierra. If we were no different, we wouldn't be humiliating them, we'd be lopping bits of them off with a dull machette. Those wires in the one photo would actually be hooked to a car battery instead of nothing. We'd be feeding people alive into plastic shredders and wood chippers.

Is what happened right? No. Neither was it anywhere NEAR the same kind or level of barbarism the Iraq's themselves have perpetrated. Another differnce? The perps here will be found, tried, and punished.

No different? That is what the liberals want you to believe.

136 posted on 05/06/2004 9:45:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Sloth
"What a moron. Make an example of her."

I hope she goes to prison for a long, long, time. No punishment can compensate for the horrible image she has given our military.

Just goes to show, give people power and they WILL abuse it.
137 posted on 05/06/2004 9:45:54 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: dead
"Ohhhhh, Lynndie......"

Off-topic I wanted to reach through the radio yesterday and slap Hannity across the chops as he was trying to make excuses for these people.

Somehow he seems to have missed the point that this stuff has made our position in Iraq much more difficult, and it is likely that American soldiers will die as a result of the publicity that has followed.

138 posted on 05/06/2004 9:46:25 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: dead
"She is the thumbs-up girl, the pixie-ish, T-shirted soldier, smiling, pointing and posing for the camera with naked and humiliated inmates."

That's right, HUMILIATED, not tortured.

Where's the pictures of the acid burns on 100% of the guy's body? Where's the pictures of the high-voltage leads on the guy's genitals? Where's the pictures of the severed hands?

These prisoners are the ones who are indiscriminate bombers and killers. They have information that would be helpful in ending the carnage over there. More power to these guards.

The thing that makes this war the most difficult is the 5th-column democRATs we have back home who are constantly back-biting the effort.

139 posted on 05/06/2004 9:47:16 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: AD from SpringBay
"I'm having difficulty caring. The man on the leash is an enemy combatant - not someone who forgot to buckle up before driving to Kroger."

As one earlier poster said, we judge ourselves by OUR standards, not the standards of the enemy which we are fighting.

We treat our prisoners humanely, period. There is no excuse for this behavior, period. Would you want OUR soldiers treated this way, merely because they are enemy combatants?
140 posted on 05/06/2004 9:48:40 AM PDT by Henrietta
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