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Kerry pledges $30 billion for teachers
The Associated Press ^ | May 06, 2004 | AP

Posted on 05/07/2004 9:41:25 AM PDT by CSM

SAN BERNARDINO - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry pledged Thursday to channel $30 billion over 10 years to improve teacher pay as well as raise teaching standards, including bonuses of up to $5,000 for those who teach math and science or work in high-need schools.

The program would tap a $200 billion education trust fund established with money from the repeal of President Bush’s tax breaks for those earning more than $200,000 a year, the Kerry campaign said.

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KEYWORDS: education; extortion; kerry; votebuying
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1 posted on 05/07/2004 9:41:26 AM PDT by CSM
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To: CSM
as well as raise teaching standards

Uh, Bush already DID that, and the NEA is screaming full force!

2 posted on 05/07/2004 9:42:51 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: CSM
I suppose this is coming out of his own pocket. Right?
3 posted on 05/07/2004 9:43:45 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: CSM
Bush pledges 31 Gazillion Billion and he'll take it from thtax revenues created by the tax cut. So there.
4 posted on 05/07/2004 9:43:48 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: CSM
Did you just hear your pay check shrinking? I did. The Hillery lets raid the 401k savings bin is also still out there.
5 posted on 05/07/2004 9:44:29 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: CSM
Go get those people making $250,000 a year? How's your trust fund heinzboy?
6 posted on 05/07/2004 9:46:37 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: rintense
Kerry pledges $30 billion for teachers for teacher's private UNION?

Hmmmmmmmmm

/sarcasm

7 posted on 05/07/2004 9:47:01 AM PDT by maestro
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To: CSM
When Bush tried to get some accountability to go along with federal money, the teachers unions, NEA, etc., raised hell; they basically said they would not improve academic performance for any amount of money. So Kerry is saying, ok, fine, to tell with standards, I'll just give you a bunch of free money if you'll vote for me.
8 posted on 05/07/2004 9:47:08 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: CSM
I think I'll quit my job and go be a teacher. Can you imagine having the summer off and all those other "in service" days?

What a joke.
9 posted on 05/07/2004 9:49:57 AM PDT by TSgt (What have you done for your country today?)
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10 posted on 05/07/2004 9:51:58 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: Piquaboy
Wow...that is really generous of him. But I thought his wife was 'only' worth about $750 million? OHHHH! He means he is going to confiscate MY money and give it away!
11 posted on 05/07/2004 9:55:27 AM PDT by blanknoone (How many flips would a flip-flop flop if a flip-flop could flop flips?)
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To: CSM
Let's do the math to see how much each individual teacher would get:

$30 billion over 10 years is $3 billion per year.

There are 6.2 million teachers in the US, so:

$3B/6.2M = $483.87 per teacher

$483.87 per teacher per year = $9.31/teacher/week - which is about $6.00/teacher/week after taxes, enough for each teacher to go to Starbucks once a week to buy a Latte and a Muffin.

We should call this Kerry's Starbucks for Teachers plan.
12 posted on 05/07/2004 9:56:16 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: CSM
Where in hell does he think that money is going to come from? Oh nevermind, it's Kerry and he'll demand cutbacks to schools tomorrow...
13 posted on 05/07/2004 10:04:07 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: RetiredArmy
I felt my wallet shrink, it was a pain in the a$$!

What is the Hillary 401K plan? Did she propose raiding 401K funds to pay for something?
14 posted on 05/07/2004 10:07:02 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: maestro
Yeah, the teachers won't see one nickle of it, and then blame the NCLB Act for it.
15 posted on 05/07/2004 10:08:35 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: CSM
Another Gov't "Trust Fund"? LOL!
16 posted on 05/07/2004 10:08:37 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: RetiredArmy
The Hillery lets raid the 401k savings bin is also still out there.

401Ks and IRAs will be a target soon even if government spending doesn't increase by one penny.

17 posted on 05/07/2004 10:09:38 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: CSM
"Kerry pledges $30 billion for teachers"

Actually, I like this promise and I like the fact that Kerry, at this stage of the campaign is pandering -- ahem, "reaching out to" -- the teachers unions.

All he's doing is wasting his time, and his promises of money, shoring up his base of voters -- those who would've voted for him anyway.

Now, a $30 B promise of funds to swing voters, like blue-collar, while male union member -- that would have me troubled.

18 posted on 05/07/2004 10:16:16 AM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: rintense
Yeah, and at what cost? Billions and test scores still aren't rising. The educational system is a total failure and all politicians want to do is throw more money into it. It's called "creating a voting bloc".
19 posted on 05/07/2004 10:16:24 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: CSM
The program would tap a $200 billion education trust fund established with money from the repeal of President Bush’s tax breaks for those earning more than $200,000 a year, the Kerry campaign said.

There's no way a repeal of tax breaks for those earning more than $200,000 would save even a tiny fraction of $200 billion. Who does he think he's kidding?

20 posted on 05/07/2004 10:18:28 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: CSM
well woop te doo! Where are you going to put them in the overcrowded schools?
21 posted on 05/07/2004 10:19:33 AM PDT by kcat
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To: Piquaboy
LOL! What's wrong? Do you object to having a gun put to your head to help pay for this? :^)
22 posted on 05/07/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: CSM
Would any of those billions help make teachers any smarter?
23 posted on 05/07/2004 10:21:36 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: taxesareforever
That's my point. The teachers keep saying they don't have enough money to teach kids the right way. What a crock. The entire system is f-d, and the kids are the ones paying for it. The NEA doesn't give a crap about kids. If they did, they'd have more stringent guidelines for teacher qualifications and competency tests for them.
24 posted on 05/07/2004 10:21:41 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: tom h
He is also violating this little gem:

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES
-HEAD- Sec. 600. Promise of employment or other benefit for political activity
-STATUTE-
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
25 posted on 05/07/2004 10:24:26 AM PDT by djf
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To: CSM
"Kerry Pledges $30 Billion in New Taxes for the NEA"
26 posted on 05/07/2004 10:30:05 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: CSM
Kerry pledges $30B for teachers? Why, that's very generous of him and Teresa. I can't understand why everyone is so hostile about the news, and furthermore -- Hmmm? What? You day he wasn't pledging his money, but ours? Oh. Well. Never mind, then.

Yes, once again, we see the ease with which liberals dispense OPM*. And the automatic reaction by so many is to praise such "generosity," as if the money materialized out of thin air. Amazing.

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*OPM = other people's money, the very best kind.

27 posted on 05/07/2004 10:30:36 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I've told you a billion times: stop exaggerating!)
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This just means that 95% of the teachers will vote for him instead of 94.9%
28 posted on 05/07/2004 10:31:33 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: blanknoone
I should've read the thread before posting! My response at post 27 is almost exactly like yours, but arrived at independently, I swear.

Isn't it amazing how the emphasis in such stories is always on the dispensing end of the money, and the great things it will do, as opposed to the confiscating end, and the economic harm it does in the form of pulling it out of economic production?
29 posted on 05/07/2004 10:35:58 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I've told you a billion times: stop exaggerating!)
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To: CSM
NEA's soul and heart for sale. Corrupt organization.
30 posted on 05/07/2004 10:41:45 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: CSM
Lemme see - He wants to raise taxes back up (think Mondale), and does photo ops with a silly assed bicycle helmet on (think Dukakis), he spews constant lies Like Clintern, (except he ain't quite as smooth).

I rally find it hard to believe that anything close to a majority of voters will vote for this fool. I will be 'deeply saddened' If JF'nK gets even close to W's numbers come election time. I just can't believe America would vote for something like that, but then again, we had to put up with 8 years of the Great Stainmaker, so who knows. {sigh}

31 posted on 05/07/2004 10:43:30 AM PDT by GaltMeister (I don't have a tagline. My family has it. The tagline belongs to my family.)
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I teach high school.
It is so easy to understand the problem.
Suppose you were a salesperson, and you got paid the same no matter how much you sold. Suppose your boss got paid the same no matter how much you sold.
After a few years, how much would you sell?
Yes, no much. that is exactly the same with teachers. Great teachers and terrible teachers are compensated exactly the same and there is no mechanims to determine who is great and who is terrible.
There was a reason why the old soviet union was so poor.
Socialism doesn't work, free markets do.
32 posted on 05/07/2004 10:44:03 AM PDT by genghis
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To: rintense
Yeah, sure. Pay the incompetent majority of teachers more to try to entice them to do a better job. Forget it. Thirty-some years ago when I was in college, the denizens of the teachers college were mostly there because it was easier and less work than a hard major (engineering, science, business). I fought tooth and nail with many of them over their non-fitness to teach when my kids were in school.
33 posted on 05/07/2004 10:46:32 AM PDT by RJS1950
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CSM: Back when the Klintons first came on board, they discovered that there was something like 2 or 3 trillion dollars out there in 401k investment plans. They devised a scheme to raid that plan by imposing a one time 15% income tax on those monies right now. Then later when you starting drawing that money, they would tax you again! It did not get off the ground thankfully, but it is still in their game plan. They would get billions of vote buying dollars in that move!
34 posted on 05/07/2004 10:54:20 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: genghis
Then the message is clear when the NEA fights so hard against measuring the teachers performance. That would lead to compensation based on ability to teach, of course that would weed out the lazy teachers and the union must protect them to ensure the union's viability!
35 posted on 05/07/2004 10:54:37 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: RJS1950
I had a 10th grade English teacher who gave us the vocabulary word of, 'vocabulary', whereas my 9th grade teacher gave me words like, supercilious, subterfuge, vociferous, dogma, etc.

There are SOOOOO may bad teachers out there. They need to raise competencies big time.

A few years ago, I played volleyball with a middle school science teacher. Well, during one of our time outs, I told another player that they made a magnanimous gesture to let another player spike. This teacher then said, 'You made that word up. That's not even a word.' I stood there stunned. Unreal.

36 posted on 05/07/2004 11:25:18 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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Won't work in TN, rural schools sued for equal pay for teachers and WON.
37 posted on 05/07/2004 11:51:56 AM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: GailA
Equal pay to what? Other teachers or other vocations?
38 posted on 05/07/2004 11:53:23 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: rintense
Kerry is fluffing up his base.
39 posted on 05/07/2004 11:55:02 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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gee, I wonder what he will give nurses who work on Christmas Day taking care of HIV patients will get ....probably nothing as usual....
40 posted on 05/07/2004 11:56:19 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Sir Gawain
Well maybe he's hoping for a close shave with Bush.
41 posted on 05/07/2004 11:56:40 AM PDT by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: cherry
Nah, he will reinstate the OT pay that Bush stole from the American working little guy!
42 posted on 05/07/2004 11:57:17 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: CSM
there hanoi john goes again running up the deficit
43 posted on 05/07/2004 11:57:42 AM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: rintense
{audience groans}
44 posted on 05/07/2004 11:57:51 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: rintense
Add Nader into the mix and we're looking at a possible three-way.
45 posted on 05/07/2004 11:59:07 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: CSM
Equal pay to teachers working in the war zones of Memphis and Nashville, but especially Memphis which is #2 in violent crime in the US.
46 posted on 05/07/2004 11:59:53 AM PDT by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: CSM
It all started when the Federal Government started running the skool system instead of the States!

Wasn't it Jimbo Carter who made the Education Dept. --- Cabinet level??
47 posted on 05/07/2004 12:03:32 PM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: CSM
Kerry said he wanted to recruit or retain 500,000 teachers during his first term in the White House. He also said he would provide tuition assistance to college students who agree to teach in high-demand areas. Schools that boost student achievement or make other improvements would receive up to $500,000 under the plan.

Once again, Kerry's math doesn't add up. 500,000 new teachers, at anywhere from $50K to $100K including bennies, comes to $25 billion to $50 billion PER YEAR. How is he going to fit that into his $30 billion over ten years?

Seems that he needs to talk to a math teacher himself.

48 posted on 05/07/2004 12:04:04 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: TRY ONE
True dat. Of course the Feds overstepping its authority doesn't end with education.....
49 posted on 05/07/2004 12:09:27 PM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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Where I live (West Chester, PA) the local teachers union sure don't need help from anyone. They just put in for a 10.4 percent real estate tax increase to fund all the new things for our deprived little kiddies such as 3 one million dollar astro turf fields at a million per, a new swimming pool facility, and my favorite, 1.3 mil to change the color of the bricks of one of the schools from yellow to red. Thank God we have a school board that keeps an eye on taxpayers money. My 80 year old Mom starts her new paper route as soon as she passes the vision test for her license. I really have no time for teachers and their unions.
50 posted on 05/07/2004 12:15:47 PM PDT by Post5203
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