Skip to comments.Evidence Suggests Larger Conspiracy in Okla. Bombing (Audio-Follow Link)
Posted on 05/07/2004 4:10:37 PM PDT by TigerTale
NPR's Wade Goodwyn reports on evidence there were more conspirators involved in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Nichols is on trial in McAlester, Okla., on state charges stemming from the largest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history.
It is worth noting that, in this case, the existance of a conspiracy is not disputed--it is established fact. The question is, how far did the conspiracy extend? Did it stop with Nichols and McVeigh, or were there others involved? This is an exercise, not in conspiracy theory, but in conspiracy analysis.
Anyone with any interest in, or connection to, the OKC bombing should listen to Goodwyn's excellent report.
Follow the source URL link for the NPR page, where you can get the story in the Real Audio and Windows Media formats. The reports link, above, is WMF only.
If you have any interest in the topic, I recommend witholding judgement until you listen to the report, regardless of the source. The segment is extremely well-done.
I admit, I have not made study of the matter, so perhaps I found this treatment more compelling than would others. I had never heard of the Aryan National Army (I think that's right--hard to remember without a transcript.) I was blown away to learn the FBI has 20 prints from the Dreamland motel in Junction City--prints they have never run. And they admitted as much in open court. Wow.
Apparently, some of the victims and family members think Nichols' lawyers may blow this open during his second trial, in an attempt to deflect blame from their client.
Yeah. I used to be a Real Audio man, but I almost always use Windows Media Player, these days.
The FBI, the ATF, and the CIA were up to their necks in this, and it's inconceivable that they will ever let the cat out of the bag.
No problem. I live in Overland Park, which is mentioned in the story, and I am originally form McPherson, where some of the fertilizer for the bomb was purchased. So this story hits close to home.
I find it difficult to dismiss the entire organization for its editorial bent. I just like to be aware of the spin.
Just wish NPR didn't pay for its spin with my tax money. :)
Yes. If it weren't for the current trial, all of this might just stay buried.
There is the professor who is coming out with a book highlighting McVeigh's possible connections with the ARA, but the trial makes it more likely someone will pay attention.
Aryan Republican Army. Sorry.
And Democratic representative Charles Schumer urged Republican leaders to delay plans to vote on a repeal of the assault weapons ban in light of the Oklahoma tragedy.
"It would send the wrong message to paramilitary extremists on one side and ordinary people on the other," Schumer said in a letter to Dole & House Speaker Gingrich.
Why didn't he use the term "terrorists" rather than limiting it??
It won't help now, but in the future? When you get it restored, clone the drive to a spare HD. All the HD makers I'm familiar with offer free software that includes some sort of drive copy feature. The spare naturally has to be big enough to hold all your data, but that said, this is the fastest way to recover from disaster. I clone mine routinely.
And maybe there is a good reason to be suspicious of NPR.
Jayna Davis has just had a book published, and some time ago she conducted a rather amazing public presentation to Sen. Arlen Specter which you can listen to here. Davis establishes an Iraqi connection in her work.
The report you linked seems very suspicious to me. Why is the Jayna Davis book, published last month, not even mentioned? My guess is that this NPR report is a backfire of sorts to deflect attention away from an Iraqi connection. This may solely be due to the political consideration that establishment of an Iraqi connection would help President Bush, but there may be other nefarious reasons. I cannot think of any good reason for for not mentioning Jayna Davis at all in a 12 minute news segment except that this report is disinformation.
The ATF weapons stash was not built into the equation and, instead a some good pictures of a destroyed truck, the whole building went up. From there on it was pure cover up. McVeigh kept his mouth shut out of loyalty to guys he didn't know were informing on him and the FBI hustled him to kingdom come. I've always maintained that the Dallas AIC (now retired) has boxes full of CYA documents that would show the whole truth. It does demonstrate how easy it is to use a federal investigation to cover a conspiracy.
Well, I can't comment on the Davis book, as I am not familiar with it. I might want to read it when it comes out--I am open to the possibility of Middle East connection.
To date, however, the only evidence I know of which supports such a connection is John Doe #2's reportedly dark complexion. This would not seem to fit the white-supremecist profile. But it would fit in with the idea of Islamists and white supremecists working together. So the NPR report does not have to be disinfo. It might just be incomplete.
Thanks for the links. I believe I knew Malkin had written some about OKC. Perhaps I was not aware of the extent of her coverage.
I had not thought of this. Shouldn't there be records somewhere regarding how much of an arsenal was stored in the Murrah Building?
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I'm not familiar with this connection. Do you have more information on this?
"Iraq Connections to U.S. Extremists," Oct. 26, 2001 by Kelly Patricia O Meara
"This fits with the Oklahoma City defense team's conclusions concerning Dennis Mahon, long suspected of being a player in the conspiracy to bomb the Murrah building. Mahon is described in Jones' book as 'a virulent racist and avowed enemy of the U.S. government' and is a high-ranking member of the White Aryan Resistance (WAR) movement. The defense team reports that its investigation shows 'the Iraqi government has given Dennis Mahon thousands of dollars over the past six years, and Mahon has been banned from entering Canada and the United Kingdom and is classified by Interpol as an international terrorist.' The FBI did not bother to interview Mahon in connection to the Oklahoma City bombing."
The Davis book is out. If you are as interested in the Oklahoma City Bombing as you suggest you probably would have clicked on the links in the message to which you replied, and known this.
I am open to the possibility of Middle East connection. ... To date, however, the only evidence I know of which supports such a connection is John Doe #2's reportedly dark complexion.
Listen to the presentation to Specter, and then reply. Otherwise you do so from ignorance.
Wow. That's a rather snide reply to a perfectly congenial post. I didn't realize my level of interest was under examination.
Listen to the presentation to Specter, and then reply. Otherwise you do so from ignorance.
I have already admitted my ignorance of the subject on this thread--once in the very post to which you replied. I certainly don't know enough about the topic to debate it--and starting a debate was not my intention. I merely responded to your post with my first thoughts upon reading it--surely a legitimate contribution to the discussion.
I appreciate and value your perspective, but I don't see the purpose in upbraiding those who are not as informed as yourself, or whose level of interest does not rise to your own.
I'm looking for a pleasant exchange of ideas and information. Perhaps your interests differ. Either way, I hope this thread provides each of us with a constructive opportunity to pursue our objectives.
Under any circumstances, this would be unjust. If there really is a Middle East connection, it would also be short-sighted and irresponsible.
I wouldn't be surprised to find the cause is mere bureaucratic inertia and CYA crap. But it could also be that the Bush administration sees opening up a "solved case" as damaging to the Presidency as a whole. Republican and Democratic administrations have been known to cover for one another, to protect the institution of the Presidency, and to preserve their own perogatives.
That doesn't make it right.
A pretty interesting response from someone engaged in a discussion who pays no attention to what the other person has said!
As I indicated, I posted my immediate reaction--no criticism of you or your position was intended.
Upon reviewing your post, I see that I misread the part about the book's publication--you indicated it came out last month. I apologize if my use of the future tense annoyed you.
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