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Fingerprint links Oregon with Spain
Oregonian Live ^ | May 08, 2004 | Marc Larabee, Steven Beaven, Kathleen Blythe, Bryan Denson and Lori Tobias

Posted on 05/08/2004 2:36:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fingerprint links Oregon with Spain

Officials have been watching Brandon Mayfield of Aloha since two weeks after the March 11 Madrid terror bombings

Saturday, May 08, 2004 LES ZAITZ, NOELLE CROMBIE, JOSEPH ROSE and MARK LARABEE

Federal investigators are examining whether a Washington County lawyer shipped materials later used by terrorists to blow up four commuter trains in Madrid on March 11, a law enforcement official said Friday.

Brandon Mayfield, 37, a former U.S. Army officer and Aloha father of three, was linked to the attack that killed 191 people by a fingerprint on a bag containing detonating devices. The bag was discovered by Spanish investigators inside a van that was near the train station where three of the trains originated, officials said.

Officials told The Oregonian that the U.S. investigation of Mayfield started within two weeks of the Madrid attacks and that Mayfield was put under physical and electronic surveillance. Spanish authorities also had pressed their American counterparts to pick up Mayfield for reasons the officials won't explain.

The FBI is also investigating Mayfield's links to other Portland-area residents who haven't been charged, officials said.

One of Mayfield's attorneys, Tom Nelson, stressed again Friday that Mayfield had not been arrested and is not a defendant in a criminal case. He repeated accusations that the government has leaked damaging information about Mayfield that should be confidential.

"They've painted him largely as associated with terrorists," Nelson said. "The government has been operating very cavalierly with his life and his livelihood."

Mayfield was detained Thursday at his West Slope law office by federal agents and is being held as a material witness under a long-standing federal statute designed to keep secret the identity of grand jury witnesses.

He isn't likely to be taken before a federal grand jury soon because investigators anticipate he would not talk voluntarily, and he won't be given immunity to talk, officials said. Instead, the arrest gives the FBI time to finish their ongoing investigation.

The FBI and federal prosecutors were forced to quickly detain Mayfield -- long before they had planned, several officials said. Although they attempted to tighten the amount of information getting out about the case, authorities eventually decided to detain Mayfield after Spanish authorities leaked news of his connection to the Madrid bombing to reporters in Europe.

Mayfield appeared briefly in U.S. District Court in Portland on Thursday afternoon and is now being held at a Multnomah County jail under a false name.

The material witnesses law is most commonly used when potential witnesses may be reluctant to cooperate, in danger or likely to flee.

Prosecutors used the same law to detain Maher "Mike" Hawash, a former Intel software engineer now serving a federal prison sentence for a failed plot to fight against U.S troops in Afghanistan. He was held as a material witness for weeks before he was charged with a crime by prosecutors in April 2003.

"I would not assume that this is another Mike Hawash case," Nelson said. "I rather feel that they will not bring charges" against Mayfield.

Nelson said authorities told Mayfield the reason he's been held, but he has not been interviewed extensively. Nelson refused to elaborate on specifics of the case, citing a court order. But he said he had a private conversation with Mayfield on Thursday at Portland's federal courthouse.

"He was calm, very concerned and still very sharp," Nelson said. "He's trained as a lawyer, and he's a good lawyer. He was bouncing ideas off me."

He said Mayfield has not been to Spain and "we certainly can prove that he was in his office and meeting with clients" at the time of the attacks in Madrid.

Nelson, who does not specialize in criminal law, said Mayfield is now represented by the Federal Public Defenders Office in Portland. His attorney there did not return phone calls.

FBI interviews family

When AvNell Mayfield's dogs began barking Thursday afternoon, she looked outside and saw two FBI agents walking up to her front porch in Hutchinson, Kan., northwest of Wichita.

They stayed for 30 minutes, asking questions about her son Brandon. She said the agents wanted to know where Brandon Mayfield had gone to school and if he had been to Spain.

"There were a lot of general questions about Brandon, but every once in a while they would ask if he traveled a lot," she said. "I was in shock. They wouldn't tell me what was going on."

Watching the agents walk away from the house, AvNell Mayfield said she had a weird feeling and called her son's house in Aloha. His wife, Mona, picked up.

"She was hysterical," AvNell Mayfield said. "The FBI people had been dumping out drawers in their house, confiscating computers, taking the kids' video games and going through papers. They had already trashed his law office."

AvNell Mayfield said Mona, who works as her husband's paralegal, is a highly intelligent woman and "strong mother" who speaks many languages. Before meeting Brandon, Mona lived in Paris and London and traveled with her father, who was a college professor, AvNell Mayfield said.

She said Brandon is a soft-spoken, intelligent man who has repeatedly talked about his disdain for the USA Patriot Act, a controversial law passed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that gave law enforcement agents sweeping new authority.

"He felt it was a violation of people's civil rights" and reminded him of when Japanese Americans were interned after Pearl Harbor and abuses by Nazis during World War II, she said. "But he wasn't angry enough to blow up people."

After 9/11, she said, "Brandon said he was concerned about his children and his wife being targeted."

Mayfields felt watched

Mayfield's father, Bill Mayfield, said his son suspected he was under surveillance by federal authorities.

"He told me over the phone that he figured they were probably watching him," said Bill Mayfield, who lives in Halstead, Kan., where Brandon Mayfield grew up. He was upset about it, the senior Mayfield said, but he "expected it because he's Muslim, plain and simple."

Nelson, the attorney, said it was the family's impression that their Aloha house had been broken into twice recently, though nothing had been stolen. Once, a dead bolt that they never used was locked, and another time, they came home and found digital clocks and the VCR blinking, like someone had tripped the breaker.

"They called and asked the power company about outages, but there hadn't been any," Nelson said. "It's a reasonable assumption that the FBI may have been involved, though I certainly cannot prove that."

Family members said Mayfield hasn't been to Spain and it's been 11 years since he traveled outside the United States, when he and his family took a monthlong trip to Egypt.

"He has nothing to do with Spain," Bill Mayfield said. "He has nothing to do with terrorists. He's a lawyer."

Army was way out of Kansas

In high school, Mayfield was a sprinter on the Halstead track team. But he didn't have many other interests beyond "finding a way out of Halstead," said Mayfield's younger sister, Amy Sikes.

He enlisted in the U.S. Army, and Sikes said the family rarely heard from or saw Mayfield during his first four-year stint in the military.

According to Mayfield's service record, he joined the Army Reserve in Kansas City, Mo., in March 1985 as a combat telecommunications center operator. He enlisted for active duty in July 1985 and re-upped in September 1988 while at Fort Lewis, Wash.

Mayfield met Mona Mohamed on a blind date in 1987, while still stationed at Fort Lewis. Later that year, he brought her home to Kansas, Sikes said. His family liked her from the start. Above all else, she was good-spirited, Sikes said.

"Really bubbly and fun," said Sikes, who is 12 years younger than Mayfield, the only girl among six children. "I was young, and I remember her teaching us some kids' songs."

The Mayfields also learned that Mona was a devout Muslim. Mona was 5 when she and her younger sister moved from Egypt to Washington state with their parents, Sikes said. When Brandon Mayfield told his parents and siblings he was converting to her faith, the clan of non-churchgoers had no problem with it, Sikes said.

"Mona was the love of his life, and he wanted to please her," she said. "Brandon also did what he could to better himself the way he sees fit, and that's how he saw taking her religion."

Mayfield left the Army in August 1989. He graduated from Portland State University in August 1992 with a bachelor of science degree in general studies, a spokeswoman said. The next month he re-enlisted in the Army as an officer, serving some time in Bitburg, Germany, with the 5th Battalion, 7th Division Air Defense Artillery. He ended his Army career as a 2nd lieutenant in May 1994.

He entered the Washburn University School of Law in the fall 1996 semester. During the fall 1998 and spring 1999 semesters he transferred to Lewis and Clark College. His law degree was issued by Washburn on his 33rd birthday, May 15, 1999. He was admitted to the Oregon State Bar in April 2000.

Former partners express surprise

Former law partners were stunned to learn of Mayfield's arrest.

"The evidence they found is something that warrants investigation," said Richard S. Diaz, a partner in the Newport law firm Macpherson Gintner Gordon & Diaz, which hired Mayfield in spring of 2000. "But at this point, he's only been detained as a material witness. He might have some way of being able to point to the culprit."

Mayfield came to the firm right out of law school and was inexperienced but competent, Diaz said. The young lawyer handled 36 cases in Lincoln County Circuit Court -- mostly divorce, custody and probate matters with a smattering of minor criminal proceedings -- between Aug. 11, 2000, and June 18, 2002, records show.

Diaz said he did not learn of Mayfield's faith until after he was hired and "it's not like he was going around espousing radical Muslim views."

It's clear to Diaz that the current allegations warrant further investigation. "Whether intentionally or not," he said, "he came in contact with somebody that was more closely connected with what happened in Madrid."

But he added, "I don't think it proves any intention or direct involvement."

Others who know Mayfield say he is a family man and struggling lawyer dedicated to building his practice.

"I am very, very worried about this," his father said. "This thing is completely hokey. Anybody that knows Brandon, knows anything about him at all, knows how hokey this is. But the FBI is holding him . . . and that scares the devil out of me."

Steven Beaven, Kathleen Blythe, Bryan Denson and Lori Tobias contributed to this story. Mark Larabee: 503-294-7664; marklarabee@news.oregonian.com


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To: Shermy
Excellent article on the Pro Islomfacist Lawyer, Lynne Stewart.

The title is perfect to describe her: Terrorist Lawyer

That may be an appropriate title for this latest POS that is being exposed: Terrorist Lawyer

101 posted on 05/09/2004 7:01:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: VOA
Your comments below need to be repeated. The new leaders in Spain are anti American, anti GW and hate the war on terrorism. I trust them the same way I trust the Rat Senators in Congress.

"I wasn't clear enough in my post (#14). When the word "authorities" appeared,
what sprang to my mind was the new Socialist goverment official...
not the Spanish cops/intelligence officers doing the heavy lifting.
After that Spanish officer was killed when the cornered terrorist blew themselves up...
and then the poor fellows corpse was dug up and defiled (almost surely by terrorists or
or their fellow travelers), I'd think the Spanish cops/officers wounld do
nothing to risk Mayfield escaping.

BUT, for any new Socialist government officials...I'm not so certain of their commitment
to fighting back against the terrorists.

102 posted on 05/09/2004 7:03:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: dixiechick2000; Shermy; Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo; backhoe
This is a great find, and thanks for the ping. What was this multi nation pro $oddomite doing in Iraq with $118,000?:

"Shaltout, a native Egyptian, said he is a Canadian citizen and permanent U.S. resident but said he has not been allowed to return to the United States because officials confiscated his green card. He is living in Saudi Arabia. He is seeking $350,000 from the government through the U.S. Army Claims Service for "torture and other personal injuries" while at Camp Bucca.

Shaltout said he is an aerospace engineer and an exporter for an American company that distributes global positioning equipment. He said he is at least able to afford psychological treatment as compared to other prisoners freed from camps in Iraq.

"Their lives will be destroyed," he said.

Attorney Thomas Nelson of Portland, Ore., filed the claim. It said Shaltout entered Iraq in January 2003 as a member of a peace organization called Rights and Freedom International. The organization tried to convince Iraqi leaders to step down to avoid war with the United States, the claim said.

Shaltout described himself as a "peacemaker" and said Camp Bucca soldiers wanted him to admit to being Saddam Hussein's "right hand man," but he refused to confess during daily interrogations.

"They wanted confessions," he said. "A lot of people didn't have anything to confess."

According to the claim:

Shaltout was outside his hotel room in Baghdad on April 9, 2003, when Marines detained him. He was placed in an armored personnel carrier and prevented from returning to his hotel room to retrieve $118,700 in hidden cash and other items.
103 posted on 05/09/2004 7:08:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; backhoe; FL_engineer; TXKat; piasa; Travis McGee; Squantos; PhilDragoo
Incredible: "My understanding is it's a bingo match," the U.S. law enforcement official said. The FBI fingerprint examination was made by an analysis team that may have found Mayfield's print either in a database related to previous terror cases or in his military file, officials said. The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active.
104 posted on 05/09/2004 7:11:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: NetValue
I think that the Ft Lewis compound and the surrounding mosques need to be investigated re the Muslim Chaplins at Ft Lewis for the past 2 decades. Then the nearby Muslims in the mosque/mosque in the area around Ft Lewis need to be investigated. Something bad is going on there.

Re the Washington/Oregon area and Islamofascists. Imagine a couple of infections on your body and you decide not to have them treated because Germs are nice. If they don't kill you, they will probably develop into pus pockets where the germs stay and thrive. Now, the only way to get rid of those pus pockets is lance them, drain them of the germs and their poison and use potent antibiotics to kill any germs left over.

The PC behavior of so many in Washington/Oregon and down in California has created these Islamo infected pockets of pus.
105 posted on 05/09/2004 7:20:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Free Trapper
Some of the so called leaders of the enviral whacko groups have called themselves Jihadists. After 9/11, some have claimed to be brothers of the Islamojihadists.

One of these days if al Querry is not elected, we will probably read about how these groups were funded and infiltrated with Opecker blood money.
106 posted on 05/09/2004 7:30:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
New Report: from OregonLive.com

Sunday May 09-2004 by Noelle Crombie

This has a lot of new (& conflicting) info

Mona did not begin wearing a traditional Muslim head covering until a couple of years ago.

"Mayfield prayed daily and his devotion to his faith grew deeper IN RECENT YEARS. His beliefs "got more and more intense"

He worked in intelligence with a top security clearance

He attended Wichita State U and Portland State U

His father is an avowed atheist

The agents brought an unusual bag with them (they traced the bag, I'll bet).

107 posted on 05/09/2004 7:42:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active.

Good God! Talk about a nest of Vipers we've warmed in our bosom.

The Fort Lewis proximity is telling, too.

108 posted on 05/09/2004 8:07:23 AM PDT by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Sacajaweau
I can see the FBI looking at all shipment records from the law office, and even all shipments from shippers in the region to foreign sites. To connect Mona or her husband with shipments.
109 posted on 05/09/2004 8:07:28 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom; risk; Shermy
"I can see the FBI looking at all shipment records from the law office, and even all shipments from shippers in the region to foreign sites. To connect Mona or her husband with shipments."

It sounds like they have been.

Apparently the "Disposable Cell Phones with a paid set of minutes make this really tough." Anyone can buy one of these phones with cash at Office Depot, Office Max, Target, Walmart and some grocery stores. Any name or address can be used to set up the disposable account. Then they are used until the time runs out and are disposed off."

I keep get the feeling that this couple represents the modern day Rosenbergs. All of their friends and relatives claim how wonderful they are and what a$$holes Ashcroft, the FBI and GW are just like the friends and relatives did with the Rosenbergs.
110 posted on 05/09/2004 8:18:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Shermy
Backhoe, please, do us a favor and monitor this story. It could have "legs" that take us all over the US and the world re Islamoterrorism.

I will ping you when I find something like this tidbit.

However, I will be off the net soon for the rest of the day.

Ernest and Shermy will you please ping Backhoe when something of importance or possible importance on this story comes up.

Whenever the mediots and the rats in the Senate go ballistic on something like the prisoner abuse which has been around since 17 January, I wonder what stories are they trying to obscure.

It appears that NewsWeak and the LA Slimes got a heads up from the New Spanish Government on this story weeks. So the rest of the mediot pack went ballistic on the prisoner abuse and this story was released prematurely to prevent the FBI from doing more monitoring and exposing.

If this guy and his wife are linked to the Madrid explosion and the time line is interesting, the new government in Spain could have some severe credibility problems.

I will be leaving the internet in a few minutes until tomorrow.
111 posted on 05/09/2004 8:26:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: blam
I think a perfect match is 18 points.
112 posted on 05/09/2004 8:33:52 AM PDT by Oorang ( Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total failure to make any progress)
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To: aposiopetic
Thank you. Very educational. The European cell phone system is penetrating the US.

Now the question is how did Mayfield get the phone?

From one of your links:

"Police traced the phone’s SIM card to a small mobile- phone shop in the multi-ethic Madrid neighbourhood of Lavapies.

From there, police arrested the shop’s three owners, all of whom have been formally accused of 190 murders and at least 1,400 attempted murders."

I remember reading about some of the bombers owning a cell-phone shop & this being the source of the phones used. Did they send the phones to Portland to be rigged as triggers? Are there records of international shipments?

Possibly some muslim from Spain carried the phones to Portland in his baggage, Mayfield rigged them, and the guy took them back with him. Seems like a long, hard way to get something done when local "talent" was probably available, but anything is possible.

Remember, the Palestinians are constantly using cell phones as triggers in Israel. Any terrorist cell who can't find someone local to rig a cell phone this way is not looking very hard.

113 posted on 05/09/2004 8:38:10 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Grampa Dave
OK
114 posted on 05/09/2004 8:39:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, I getting ready to log off.

Please keep me in the loop and our buddy Back Hoe.

Please go to oregonlive.com and post the latest new story on this Islamo POS.

Barf bags may be advisable as Freepers read about this great young American.

I'm out of here!
115 posted on 05/09/2004 8:41:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Sacajaweau
Mayfield met Mona on a blind date. I'm trying to imagine someone introducing a Muslim to a Christian, particularly in an area which is loaded with Muslims.

After seeing her on TV, I am not going to fall for any kind of "love at first sight" story either. Something in this story smells really bad.

116 posted on 05/09/2004 8:47:46 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Grampa Dave
interesting ideas, thanks
117 posted on 05/09/2004 8:48:58 AM PDT by risk
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To: Grampa Dave
I will ping you when I find something like this tidbit. However, I will be off the net soon for the rest of the day.

Please do.

Like you, I have to go tend Mother's Day things this afternoon, & I'm on my backup PC right now and away from many of my files- but I'll keep a weather eye on this and related stories.

118 posted on 05/09/2004 8:50:51 AM PDT by backhoe (--30--)
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To: Grampa Dave
All of their friends and relatives claim how wonderful they are

People make the inference that because someone is nice, wonderful, loves their dog Etc. that they cannot be terrorists. Wrong, if anything, smart terrorists would build this "persona" as a cover. But joining a mosque that preaches against Israel, rants about US foreign policy, and provides a quiet place for members to "vent their disgust" over the goings on in the Middle East gives these "model citizens" a chance to maintain their level of anger. And continue the concept that their mission is sent from Allah.

It has been mentioned before that this is a so called sancturary city, set up by liberals for illegals to have free access to our services without hinderance by the law enforcement agencies. It stands to reason that these will be the homes of the most dangerous cells.

119 posted on 05/09/2004 8:58:26 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
The Buffalo 6 were the most wonderful people on earth, too. The local Muslims even SAID they would mortgage their house to help the dudes out. The Muslims went back in their "delusion" holes after we nailed the guys.
120 posted on 05/09/2004 9:01:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
What I found real interesting, is that Mona said "When they came to the house and rang the bell, she thought it was the mailman".

I don't know how their mail system works, but my mailman doesn't ring my bell unless there's a package "I have to sign for".

121 posted on 05/09/2004 9:05:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: All
Mona knows SEVERAL languages. Does that include Spanish?

We know the bombers came from several countries. Do her language capabilities cover all of them?

122 posted on 05/09/2004 9:10:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Oorang
"I think a perfect match is 18 points."

Thanks. I know there are some standards/guidelines on this sort of 'matching.' Fifteen matches is pretty good if 18 is considered perfect.

123 posted on 05/09/2004 9:19:19 AM PDT by blam
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To: CurlyDave
"Possibly some muslim from Spain carried the phones to Portland in his baggage, Mayfield rigged them, and the guy took them back with him. Seems like a long, hard way to get something done when local "talent" was probably available, but anything is possible."

I'm not well versed in this area but I think it's not that complicated...just calling the number of the phone sets off the detnator, huh?

124 posted on 05/09/2004 9:25:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: Sacajaweau
I'm still wondering about Brandon's middle name (Bieri). His mother was asked several times by the agents if he had any nicknames.
125 posted on 05/09/2004 9:25:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
I don't know how their mail system works, but my mailman doesn't ring my bell unless there's a package "I have to sign for".

Perhaps a lot of packages come and go? I wish we could have kept them under survelance for a few months. We probably missed a bonanza. I trust the "boys" are keeping track of others in the local group.

126 posted on 05/09/2004 9:45:16 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave ~ I agree with the doctor's statement about "Pus Pockets" ~ Perfect!
127 posted on 05/09/2004 9:51:09 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blam
I'm searching for the "18" that I read the other day. Haven't found it yet. Here is some info though:

A perfect fingerprint will yield 175 to 180 points of information. Twelve points (less than 10 percent of a fingerprint) are required to convict in a federal court, and as few as five points may be used to convict in many jurisdictions. In other words, a far-from-perfect print will still yield positive identification information. http://www.childidprogram.com/05fingerprint.html

128 posted on 05/09/2004 10:08:44 AM PDT by Oorang ( Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total failure to make any progress)
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To: Grampa Dave
I haven't heard anything about an ELF link to muslim terrorists.
129 posted on 05/09/2004 10:16:52 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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He was upset about it, the senior Mayfield said, but he "expected it because he's Muslim, plain and simple."

Pretty far down the article that they bring THAT up ...

130 posted on 05/09/2004 10:24:11 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (It's a nice day for a white wedding)
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To: Oorang
Good info, thanks.
131 posted on 05/09/2004 10:28:35 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I'm not well versed in this area but I think it's not that complicated...just calling the number of the phone sets off the detnator, huh?

It is somewhat more difficult than that. The actual detonator has to be wired to the cell phone so that the electrical signal which would ring the phone triggers the detonator. I have no idea if the voltage is correct or if a more sophisticated circuit is necessary. Just putting the phone in a backpack full of explosives is not going to cause the explosives to go off when the phone rings.

Other precautions are necessary, which I will not go into on an open forum in the fervent hope that someone rigging one of these will ignore a precaution and have a work accident.

From reading the news accounts, the phones in this case were only used as timers. "But one more dud - the 14th bomb - went undetected for 12 hours until a mobile-phone alarm sounded amid luggage that had been taken from the bombed trains to a police station. The alarm was rigged to trigger the detonator but the bombers had mistakenly set it for 7:40pm instead of 7:40am, when the other devices exploded on the trains.

Had the detonator functioned, it would have blown up the police station. Instead police were able to examine the device for evidence and learn vital details of the methods and materials used to carry out the attacks."

Something smells about this part of the story. The 14th bomb should have gone off when the alarm on the phone activated. Either we are not getting the whole story or someone both miswired the device and set the alarm incorrectly.

While I wouldn't put two screwups one the same device beyond these guys, the odds that both mistakes would be made on the same bomb are very low. Especially when all 13 others worked as intended.

Consider the scenario where the bombers think this through and realize that all evidence will be collected in a central location. A second blast which destroys the evidence and kills a few investigators would make the investigation a lot more difficult.

For years, bombers have known about the tactic of placing two bombs, a small one to draw police and fire to the scene and then a larger one to attack the responders. It is not hard to envision an extension of this plan.

132 posted on 05/09/2004 10:36:01 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave
We know the phones were purchased locally in Spain but I don't think the date of purchase has been noted.

I think they've been watching BOTH Mona and Brandon. With her language skills and mideast connections and his military background and access to immigration stuff AND the fact that he's more concerned with Muslims than Americans, it makes a team.

Where are HER parents?? I see nothing to indicate that they are in the USA and no interviews with them????

133 posted on 05/09/2004 11:12:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: CurlyDave
So the timer on the phone was the detonator. Did they CALL to make sure there was no answer?? telling them that the bomb went off. Surely, they were not anywhere in the vicinity and assumed no one was close enough to hear a phone AT THIS POINT in time.
134 posted on 05/09/2004 11:21:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Federal officials tell Newsweek that they doubt Mayfield has been innocently swept up in a case of international intrigue. Mayfield married an Egyptian woman, converted to Islam 16 years ago and was active in a local Oregon mosque whose members had openly protested government antiterror policies. But it was another thing that leapt out at investigators: in 2002, Mayfield had volunteered to provide legal help for Jeffrey Battle, one of the ringleaders of the Portland Seven -- a group of local jihadists who had flown to Asia after 9/11 in an unsuccessful effort to fight with the Taliban. "If that print had matched with some little old lady in Peoria, that would be one thing," says a U.S. official. "But what are the odds it would be somebody with this background?"

This is 2 hrs. old from NEWSWEEK. "Absolutely incontrovertible match."!

135 posted on 05/09/2004 11:43:17 AM PDT by johnny7 (I'm just a poor boy from a poor fam-il-y... -Freddy Mercury)
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To: johnny7
Yeh, I just read that, too.

I bet they're checking the postal records to see what's been coming and going (and a few other million things).

He's supposed to be in Court Tuesday so we should know more after that.

136 posted on 05/09/2004 11:50:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Yet another hysterical leftie muslim bent out of shape over the Patriot Act. If this keeps up we will have no choice but to detain all of them. I've been offline all weekend, so I'm just catching up to this latest Oregon connection.....is he a friend of Vera?
137 posted on 05/09/2004 1:28:36 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: Grampa Dave; blackie; All
$inator Hildebea$t

I am SO very bored with that woman!! Here ya go Dave, you'll like this.

Bill Clinton was walking along the beach when he stumbled upon a Genie's lamp. He picked it up and rubbed it and lo-and-behold, a Genie appeared.

Bill was amazed and asked if he got three wishes. The Genie said,

"Nope... Due to inflation, constant downsizing, low wages in third-world countries, and fierce global competition, I can only grant you one wish. So... What'll
it be?"


Bill didn't hesitate. He said, "I want to be remembered for bringing peace in the Middle East, instead of that other stuff with Monica, and Gennifer, and the rest of those women. See this map? I want these countries to stop fighting with each other."


The Genie looked at the map of the Middle East and exclaimed,
"Jeez,Fella! These people have been at war for thousands of years. I'm good, but not THAT good. I don't think it can be done. Make another wish."

Bill thought for a minute and said, "You know, people really don't like my wife. Even though she got elected, they call her a carpetbagger. They think she's mean, ugly, and pushes me around. I wish for her to be the most beautiful woman in the world and I want everybody to like her. That's what I want."

The Genie let out a long sigh and said,
"Let me see that map again."
138 posted on 05/09/2004 1:33:26 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: backhoe; Grampa Dave
"The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active."

Someone better start seriously thinking about these terrorists in Kosovo....talk about a world sactioned breeding ground! And I see Mr. Mayfield went to Portland State University. He's just too involved with extreme factions to be totally "innocent". I can't remember, but it was something not long ago tying terrorism to PSU.
139 posted on 05/09/2004 1:45:18 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: Destro; Honorary Serb
"The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active. "

Have you guys seen this regarding Oregonian Brandon Mayfield?
140 posted on 05/09/2004 1:50:26 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: AuntB; Hoplite; *balkans
The FBI analysts also found indications that whoever left the fingerprint on the bag involved in the Madrid bombings had some connection to the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, where international Islamic extremists have been active.

Well lookie here!

141 posted on 05/09/2004 2:14:01 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
World just keeps gettin' smaller, doesn't it?
142 posted on 05/09/2004 2:15:46 PM PDT by AuntB (Law Schools & Journalism schools are America's Madrassas.(aculeus) Jamie Gorelick is proof!)
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To: AuntB
Too small indeed: Bosnian Arrested in Madrid Bombings Probe
143 posted on 05/09/2004 2:20:22 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: AuntB
Hi "B" how's it going?
144 posted on 05/09/2004 2:44:57 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; Happy2BMe; ntnychik; potlatch; onyx; Liz

Go back some months

A WA/OR enviro nut and his wife

Greenpeace I think

Over 40 I believe

PU truck rings a bell

Traveled to CA also

Was loosening or removing bolts on power line transmission towers

Sorry cannot recall any Muslim connection(s), but obviously no teenage prankster

Best I can do for now


145 posted on 05/09/2004 3:21:39 PM PDT by devolve (................... (..........................Hello from Sunny South Florida!..................)
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To: Free Trapper
I understand about sick computers.
I have one myself.

I'll check out the license plates
on cars in my area (Portland Metro
Area).
146 posted on 05/09/2004 3:51:49 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: Grampa Dave
"What was this multi nation pro $oddomite doing in Iraq with $118,000?"



That's a good question, Gramps.
Also, how did Shaltout hook up with
Thomas Nelson, Mayfield's friend and
his local media handler?
147 posted on 05/09/2004 3:55:26 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: AuntB; Grampa Dave
AuntB, Grampa Dave... I think we have enough material to do a standalone post of links on this story. I'll get started gathering links.
148 posted on 05/09/2004 3:56:17 PM PDT by backhoe (--30--)
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To: devolve
I don't remember that, but if someone does,
please ping me.
149 posted on 05/09/2004 4:00:48 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: devolve; dixiechick2000
Man, that sure sounds familiar, but that's all I can offer .....

150 posted on 05/09/2004 4:20:37 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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