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Oregonian Live ^ | May 08, 2004 | Marc Larabee, Steven Beaven, Kathleen Blythe, Bryan Denson and Lori Tobias

Posted on 05/08/2004 2:36:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave

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Thanks to Shermy for the heads up on this latest on Brandon Mayfield
1 posted on 05/08/2004 2:37:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Shermy; ValerieUSA; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks to Shermy for this heads up.

This story grows more legs each day.
2 posted on 05/08/2004 2:38:10 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Oorang
fyi
3 posted on 05/08/2004 2:38:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo
This gets deeper each day.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 2:39:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: blam
One more heads up re Portland's Jihad Johnny.
5 posted on 05/08/2004 2:40:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
he shipped them a bag? or a bag of detonators? why would he ship them a "bag" from the US, they could get bags anyplace in Madrid. I'm reading this to say that he shipped them a bag WITH SOMETHING IN IT. But doesn't that item have to clear customs?
6 posted on 05/08/2004 2:41:21 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: LayoutGuru2
The latest on Portland's Jihad Johnny.
7 posted on 05/08/2004 2:43:54 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: dixiechick2000; B Knotts; SAMWolf; blackie
More incoming re Madrid and the local Jihad Johnny.
8 posted on 05/08/2004 2:44:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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...authorities eventually decided to detain Mayfield after Spanish authorities leaked news of his connection to the Madrid bombing to reporters in Europe.

So "Spanish authorities" tried to drop Mayfield the hint to disappear, but he din't do it quickly enough.

9 posted on 05/08/2004 2:46:04 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: oceanview
It appears that a bag with enough of his fingerprint was seized by the police investigating the mass murdering bombing in Madrid.

At this point we can only guess that detonation equipment was probably in that bag.

We have no idea how it got there.

My money would be via Canada or some Air Freight to what had been a legitimate destination.

We don't have enough data to really know how it got there and what was in it.

From some of the other articles posted today, it appears to be very damning, evidence wise.
10 posted on 05/08/2004 2:48:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: litany_of_lies
bump
11 posted on 05/08/2004 2:49:35 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: litany_of_lies; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Remember we have had a change of who is in charge in Spain.

The fact that Newsweak had this data made me wonder about who was leaking what.

If you want to catch bad guys, one of the last people who would be leaked would be Newsweak and Ishecoughy. Newsweak probably leaked this and forced an early detention of this Jihad Johnnie.
12 posted on 05/08/2004 2:51:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Bump to read later
13 posted on 05/08/2004 2:53:21 PM PDT by hattend (Only Libs can find mandatory death in the Constitution (see abortion and T. Schiavo))
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To: litany_of_lies
So "Spanish authorities" tried to drop Mayfield the hint to disappear, but he din't
do it quickly enough.


And of course that leak had nothing to do with Socialists (Appeasers of Islam, Inc.)
being in power in Spain.
(end sarcasm)
14 posted on 05/08/2004 2:53:26 PM PDT by VOA
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To: aposiopetic
Here is the latest from the Oregonian.
15 posted on 05/08/2004 2:53:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: VOA
Exactly re the leak with the new socialist in charge.

I hope that the FBI has been watching the airports in Portland and Seattle as Islamo Rats start to bail out of those sanctuaries.
16 posted on 05/08/2004 2:54:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: VOA
Curiouser and curiouser. The press and the left worked together to get Aznar out, btw.

Conveniently left out of this article is the fact that Nelson is another Muslim convert.
17 posted on 05/08/2004 2:57:35 PM PDT by livius
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To: Grampa Dave
"When Brandon Mayfield told his parents and siblings he was converting to her faith, the clan of non-churchgoers had no problem with it, Sikes said. "

Kinda reminds me of something somebody once said about "spiritual vacuums".
As in if you have such a situation, you better fill the void with good things,
because EVIL things are always looking to find an place to fill up.

For reference, here is the passage I referred to earlier:
Matthew 12
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he
is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked
than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man
is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


18 posted on 05/08/2004 3:05:07 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Sacajaweau
fyi
19 posted on 05/08/2004 3:09:07 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave ~ it can't be a mere coincidence that so many terrorist types are in Portland ~ root 'em out and Hang 'em High!
20 posted on 05/08/2004 3:10:34 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: livius
"Conveniently left out of this article is the fact that Nelson is another Muslim convert."

While it may mean nothing, what got me was the articles straining to make
Mayfield's wife "Mother of The Century".

I especially wondered why this was even needed for the article:
"Mona, who works as her husband's paralegal, is a highly intelligent woman and
"strong mother" who speaks many languages. Before meeting Brandon, Mona lived in
Paris and London and traveled with her father, who was a college professor,
AvNell Mayfield said."


My guess is that this is the sort of glowing endorsement that would go over well
with the liberal coffee-house crowd in Portland... but for fly-over country conservatives
the first question is "what mosques did she attend in London and Paris...
what sort of political ties did her father and family have in Egypt?
Did they do a victory dance when Sadat was assassinated?"
21 posted on 05/08/2004 3:15:34 PM PDT by VOA
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To: countess
FYI.

Also, when $inator Hildebea$t mentioned the Islamo Chaplin, YEE, it was not by accident.
22 posted on 05/08/2004 3:20:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: VOA
You have got it VOA ~ congratulations!
23 posted on 05/08/2004 3:21:33 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: VOA
I'm sure that if this POS had said that he was going to become an active Christian, his family would have disowned him. Probably the only thing worse would become a Conservative Republican.
24 posted on 05/08/2004 3:22:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: livius
Nelson's car apparently has license plate frames stating, "Free Palestine!"

There is a lot more in this relationship that we have read or been told.
25 posted on 05/08/2004 3:24:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
"AvNell Mayfield said Mona, who works as her husband's paralegal, is a highly intelligent woman and "strong mother" who speaks many languages. Before meeting Brandon, Mona lived in Paris and London and traveled with her father, who was a college professor, AvNell Mayfield said."

Perhaps 'Miss Mona' is our terrorist mole? I wonder why they wound up in Washington state and not in Kansas? Maybe Brandon is a dupe, huh? ("Honey, do you know what happened to that brown plastic bag of mine?")

26 posted on 05/08/2004 3:28:23 PM PDT by blam
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You posted, "Dave ~ it can't be a mere coincidence that so many terrorist types are in Portland ~ root 'em out and Hang 'em High!"

Blackie, when we first found out about the Portland area being a safe haven for Islamofascists, a conservative doctor friend had a great analogy.

He said "Due to Political Correctness, we will have Pus pockets of Islamofascist/kazis in liberal areas like San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and other liberal cities. Eventually we will have to lance these Pus Pockets drain them of their poison and dose those areas with antibiotics! If we don't we will lose the war against terrorism.!"

With what has happened here and on the floor of the Senate last week re the so called prisoner's abuse, I'm afraid that he is correct in his medical diagnosis.

27 posted on 05/08/2004 3:30:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: blam
I doubt if she is an expert in demolitions.

However, many of us were labeling both them as new Rosenbergs in the first thread when we found out about her.

He met her while on duty at Ft Lewis, Washington.

She is not the Mother Teresa the media is trying to make her appear to be.
28 posted on 05/08/2004 3:35:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: litany_of_lies; Grampa Dave; knarf; VOA
So "Spanish authorities" tried to drop Mayfield the hint to disappear, but he din't do it quickly enough.

Now wait a minute and think about this.  The Spanish law enforcement folks didn't change overnight when the president was re-elected.  These are most likely the same people that initiated the investigation.  They wanted Mayfield from the start and told the FBI as much.  They probably understand something about American legal procedure, and feared this guy would disappear while the FBI took the time to build a case.  They also knew, that if the investigation went public, Mayfield would clearly be a flight risk and therefore the FBI would be justified in detaining him as a material witness.  So they  leak to the press, and bingo, their suspect is behind bars - how convenient!  Note that he was "detained" Thursday and the story broke AFTWERWARDS on Friday.  He was already under constant surveillance - he had no opportunity to escape in response to the leak.  I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI got a phone call from their Spanish friends giving them a heads-up about the coming "leak."

29 posted on 05/08/2004 3:40:46 PM PDT by norcalvet
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To: norcalvet
I hope that you are right. The Spanish cops and investigators are the same. However their leadership is not. We have the opposite when the Clintoon left and GW took over.

However, when I read that NewsWeak and even the La Slimes apparently had a heads up on this, I have to think left wing leakage.

However, "Detaining Him" as a material witness for a Federal Grand Jury can take him out of circulation for a long time.

I'm sure the ground pounding cops and Spanish Intel people are good people working hard to find out who killed their fellow countrymen.

However, the current leader might not be the current leader if that train hadn't blown up.
30 posted on 05/08/2004 3:46:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Occam's Razor my friend. If I'm not mistaken, the leak occurred AFTER he was detained, thus giving him no warning if that was the intent. It does, however, provide ample reason for the FBI to keep him in custody.
31 posted on 05/08/2004 3:54:17 PM PDT by norcalvet
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To: norcalvet; ValerieUSA
It will be interesting to see the time lines on the leaks and his detainment time.
32 posted on 05/08/2004 3:59:25 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: VOA
While it may mean nothing, what got me was the articles straining to make Mayfield's wife "Mother of The Century".

I noticed that, too. You're probably right, it was for OR consumption.

33 posted on 05/08/2004 4:04:24 PM PDT by livius
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To: Grampa Dave
Yeah I caught this a little bit ago too and it raised my antennae. A bit too long at the local watering hole and a band banquet kept me preoccupied.

If I recall NBC had a friend of Brandon on the morning shoe...maybe it was his attorney. They also played a segment with his wife - all wrapped up like a good little Stepford Muslim wife.

Maybe it was the "body language" but they all looked shakey to me.

Kinda like when someone goes postal and all the neighbors check in on film at 11 saying what a nice, quiet, pillar of the community the - obviously guilty - perp was.

prisoner6

34 posted on 05/08/2004 4:06:32 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Grampa Dave
There is a lot more in this relationship that we have read or been told.

Definitely.

BTW, with regard to the "leak," one of the problems is that there is somebody in Spanish intelligence who is leaking stuff to the press. During the Madrid bombing aftermath, the press had been informed of things before Aznar himself knew about them.

The Spanish intelligence service was highly politicized under the prior Socialist government. Aznar restructured it, but kept many of the old Socialist loyalists (sort of like Bush w. Tenet et al.)

35 posted on 05/08/2004 4:08:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: norcalvet; ValerieUSA; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Shermy
This data was apparently leaked 3 weeks ago by a leading Spanish investigator to the LA Slimes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131292/posts?page=205#205

...A senior Spanish investigator told the Los Angeles Times three weeks ago that a fingerprint found in the investigation of the train bombings resembled the fingerprint of a man described as a "U.S. military veteran" wanted by U.S. agents in connection with Islamic terrorism.

In subsequent days, two high-ranking Spanish police officials and a U.S. law enforcement official confirmed to The Times that the lead, involving a U.S. veteran connected to Al Qaeda, was being pursued. The veteran was someone who had been under investigation by U.S. agents for some time, the investigators said.

The lead intrigued Spanish investigators because they thought an operative with knowledge of explosives or military expertise helped the team of mostly Moroccan suspects build the remote-control bombs that were used in the March 11 attacks, which killed 191 people aboard four commuter trains and helped bring down the ruling party in national elections three days later.

But as recently as Monday, two Spanish police officials said the lead remained inconclusive. "The American has the profile of an expert who could have supervised the bomb-making," a high-ranking Spanish police official said. "And obviously he's someone the Americans are very concerned about because of his background. But we are told the fingerprint match is not conclusive. We can't say right now that it is the same person."




Who leaked this story to NewsWeak and when?

Are NewsWeak and the LA Slimes conservative or liberal publications?
36 posted on 05/08/2004 4:09:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: livius
Thanks for your insight to Spanish intel: "BTW, with regard to the "leak," one of the problems is that there is somebody in Spanish intelligence who is leaking stuff to the press. During the Madrid bombing aftermath, the press had been informed of things before Aznar himself knew about them.

The Spanish intelligence service was highly politicized under the prior Socialist government. Aznar restructured it, but kept many of the old Socialist loyalists (sort of like Bush w. Tenet et al.)"



I posted this just as you posted your reply to me:

This data was apparently leaked 3 weeks ago by a leading Spanish investigator to the LA Slimes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131292/posts?page=205#205

...A senior Spanish investigator told the Los Angeles Times three weeks ago that a fingerprint found in the investigation of the train bombings resembled the fingerprint of a man described as a "U.S. military veteran" wanted by U.S. agents in connection with Islamic terrorism.

In subsequent days, two high-ranking Spanish police officials and a U.S. law enforcement official confirmed to The Times that the lead, involving a U.S. veteran connected to Al Qaeda, was being pursued. The veteran was someone who had been under investigation by U.S. agents for some time, the investigators said.

The lead intrigued Spanish investigators because they thought an operative with knowledge of explosives or military expertise helped the team of mostly Moroccan suspects build the remote-control bombs that were used in the March 11 attacks, which killed 191 people aboard four commuter trains and helped bring down the ruling party in national elections three days later.

But as recently as Monday, two Spanish police officials said the lead remained inconclusive. "The American has the profile of an expert who could have supervised the bomb-making," a high-ranking Spanish police official said. "And obviously he's someone the Americans are very concerned about because of his background. But we are told the fingerprint match is not conclusive. We can't say right now that it is the same person."

37 posted on 05/08/2004 4:13:25 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: prisoner6
It is like they have a scene and script to play when one of their Islamos gets exposed.

They trot the family and friends to say what a great guy he was. He wouldn't even kill a grasshopper.

Then they close with shot against GW, Ashcroft and the Homeland Security Act and some racism comments.

Did you kinda want to throw up or take a shower after watching this charade on tv?
38 posted on 05/08/2004 4:16:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
That's interesting. The earliest mention of it in the press that I could find was this week, after Mayfield was detained. If so, I wonder why the LA Times sat on the story for over two weeks???

What's also interesting is that Mayfield was apparently of interest not only because of the fingerprint and his military background, but because he was already "under investigation by U.S. agents for some time." I wonder what for?
39 posted on 05/08/2004 4:19:57 PM PDT by norcalvet
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh. I thought they had arrested the guy. He is simply detained.

They have his fingerprint and they are just 'detaining' him? Behind crossbars, I hope.

Officials told The Oregonian that the U.S. investigation of Mayfield started within two weeks of the Madrid attacks and that Mayfield was put under physical and electronic surveillance. Spanish authorities also had pressed their American counterparts to pick up Mayfield for reasons the officials won't explain.

< snip >

Mayfield was detained Thursday at his West Slope law office by federal agents and is being held as a material witness under a long-standing federal statute designed to keep secret the identity of grand jury witnesses.

He isn't likely to be taken before a federal grand jury soon because investigators anticipate he would not talk voluntarily, and he won't be given immunity to talk, officials said. Instead, the arrest gives the FBI time to finish their ongoing investigation.


40 posted on 05/08/2004 4:21:45 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the ping.

"He has nothing to do with terrorists. He's a lawyer."

Okay...

41 posted on 05/08/2004 4:28:16 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: norcalvet
Good questions, and we can only guess re the answers.

My first feelings re him being monitored was that he might been a carrier pigeon for one of more of the Portland 7 like the female lawyer was in NYC. Her case is coming to trial this week.
42 posted on 05/08/2004 4:34:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: MeekOneGOP
When I was a teenager, my Dad was in the jury in a Grand Jury Trial. We didn't see him for about 6 weeks during the witness phase. He never told us what he heard and apparently a lot of people plead guilty to avoid a trial.
43 posted on 05/08/2004 4:36:52 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Shermy
Shermy, you might be interested in this interchange.
44 posted on 05/08/2004 4:40:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Others who know Mayfield say he is a family man and struggling lawyer dedicated to building his practice.

Do they also say he's a MUSLIM CONVERT?
45 posted on 05/08/2004 4:43:59 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Grampa Dave
">>>A senior Spanish investigator told the Los Angeles Times three weeks ago that a fingerprint found in the investigation of the train bombings resembled the fingerprint of a man described as a "U.S. military veteran" wanted by U.S. agents in connection with Islamic terrorism.

In subsequent days, two high-ranking Spanish police officials and a U.S. law enforcement official confirmed to The Times that the lead, involving a U.S. veteran connected to Al Qaeda, was being pursued. The veteran was someone who had been under investigation by U.S. agents for some time, the investigators said...."

Hmmm...maybe the reason for the FBI "concern" about a leak going public, and their early arrest of Mayfield, came from the Spanish side.


"...like the female lawyer was in NYC. Her case is coming to trial this week..."

Rally? What was her name again?



46 posted on 05/08/2004 4:50:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Grampa Dave
"The American has the profile of an expert who could have supervised the bomb-making," a high-ranking Spanish police official said.

Have there been any domestic bombing incidences tied to radicals in Portland? ELF, etc.? I am still incredibly curious to know if B. Mayfield's connection is more than just Islamic, perhaps radical left/Socialist? Anyone know his political affiliations?

47 posted on 05/08/2004 4:50:59 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
They don't cover that factor, even though it was very important to him.
48 posted on 05/08/2004 4:51:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; SAMWolf; B Knotts; dixiechick2000; AuntB; blackie
"Have there been any domestic bombing incidences tied to radicals in Portland? ELF, etc.? I am still incredibly curious to know if B. Mayfield's connection is more than just Islamic, perhaps radical left/Socialist? Anyone know his political affiliations?"

I believe there have been a lot of fire bombings and arson connected with the ELF's. I don't know of any sophisticated bombing done in Oregon or Washington.

Maybe some of the Oregonians have an answer.
49 posted on 05/08/2004 4:54:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: oceanview
Not when the bag is in a Fed Ex or UPS box.
50 posted on 05/08/2004 4:56:03 PM PDT by gdc61
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