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German troops 'hid like rabbits' in Kosovo riots
The Sunday Telegraph UK ^ | 09/05/2004

Posted on 05/08/2004 8:37:45 PM PDT by elfman2

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1 posted on 05/08/2004 8:37:46 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
Aren’t these the people Kerry plans to somehow use to save Iraq?
2 posted on 05/08/2004 8:40:13 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
If it weren't for the US, a batallion of Jihadists could probably take over Germany (and France, and Belgium).
3 posted on 05/08/2004 8:45:12 PM PDT by Guillermo ("Oh yeah? Well if you do it again, I'm gonna have only one word for you: 'Outta here.'" - Paul Sr.)
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To: elfman2
Col. Hintelmann: "We were just obeying orders."

Yes, Kerry thinks we could stabilize Iraq if we had German and French help (with the blessing of Coffee Inane.) In fact, the French would immediately surrender to the Germans who would then hide in the barracks "like frightened rabbits."

4 posted on 05/08/2004 8:46:28 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: elfman2
This whole business has been a very well kept secret in the American press. For the past 60 years people have been killing and persecuting Christians all over the world, and they basically get a free pass from our press. Sudan is the most egregious, but it's common all over.
5 posted on 05/08/2004 8:46:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: elfman2
Generally speaking, frontline troops are usually brave enough, when it comes to facing the enemy. If they're running to avoid conflict in situations as ambiguous as in the Balkans, it's because they're afraid that they'll be in deep shit with their superiors and their own legal system, no matter what they might do.

And remember - the Germans haven't told the World Court to take a flying leap...

6 posted on 05/08/2004 8:48:17 PM PDT by jdege
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To: All
Somewhere Otto von Bismarck is turning in his grave.
7 posted on 05/08/2004 8:48:18 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: elfman2
So the German Bundeswehr hid under their bunks during a race riot in a sector they were in charge of, eh?

Well, that's fitting: The entire Dutch government resigned almost *ten years* after their soldiers allowed a massacre of 6,000+ civilians by the Serbs in 1995.

As political humorist P.J. O'Rourke once wrote, the UN's 'Blau Helmets' dress up in nursery colors and are too chicken to shoot back.

American soldiers, on the other hand, are accused of beating the crap out of the hostile combatants we've captured -- and that's just our tiny female soldiers I'm talking about.

I'll let the readers decide for themselves which is more outrageous, but given the choice between the two I'd prefer to stick with the winners and suffer the repercussions.

8 posted on 05/08/2004 8:49:16 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: jdege
I think that you mean the ICC, not the World Court. We are signatories to the World Court too. They are different organizations. You point is well taken though.
9 posted on 05/08/2004 8:57:16 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Destro; FormerLib
Pingo from Kosovo.
10 posted on 05/08/2004 9:02:36 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: elfman2
WOW, perhaps we should be glad they refused to help in Iraq. How embarrassing.
11 posted on 05/08/2004 9:09:07 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Guillermo
and thanks to the US a band of Jihadis took over Kosovo.
12 posted on 05/08/2004 9:23:35 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: The KG9 Kid
If I was a Christian in the Balkans I would fear for my life if Americans protected me. I rather have Serbs protect me.
13 posted on 05/08/2004 9:26:02 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: elfman2
Send over Teddy and Mark Dayton and lets have some hearings.
It takes a coward to know a Coward.
14 posted on 05/08/2004 9:29:18 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: elfman2
I don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing but the fight seems to have gone out of Germany since Hitler killed himself.
15 posted on 05/08/2004 9:37:36 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Destro
I rather have Serbs protect me.

Then move to Serbia.

Seriously. You should go where your heart is, not stick around where you're constantly embarrassing yourself in front of your fellow citizens who do things like point out that your heroes murder Catholic clergy and destroy Christian Churches in greater numbers than any other group when they think they can get away with it.

16 posted on 05/08/2004 9:38:32 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
America has protected ZERO Christians anywhere in the Balkans. Under NATO "protection" Islam has risen and Christianity has retreated in the Balkans. The USA has not even been an honest broker - even handedly keeping peace there.

Hey Hoplite, any more Christian killing Muslim terrorists let out of Camp Bondsteel these days????

17 posted on 05/08/2004 9:44:01 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Hoplite
Last I looked the Krajina is Serb free. So it seems America favors one form of Christian over the other as well.
18 posted on 05/08/2004 9:45:26 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Yeah. America sucks.

All the more reason for you to move to Serbia and be amongst your fellow travellers.

You leave no doubt where your loyalties lie, and they are not with America.

19 posted on 05/08/2004 9:48:52 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: elfman2
The ultimate in effeminate decadence is not the fear of being killed or injured, it is the fear of inflicting pain or being unfair. This fear permeates the ENTIRE west.
20 posted on 05/08/2004 9:49:38 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: Hoplite
America is wrong in the Balkans - and the Muslims who fought for and on the side of the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims carried out 9/11 on their former patron and ally against the Serbs.

We have paid dearly for this policy.

21 posted on 05/08/2004 9:54:30 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: COEXERJ145
Somewhere Otto Von Bismarck is turning in his grave...

Inasmuch as it was Bismarck himself who said, "There is nothing in the Balkans worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier," perhaps not...

the infowarrior

22 posted on 05/08/2004 10:02:07 PM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Destro
No.

America was and is right, and two men don't validate your nutjob worldview one iota - if you want to see what happens when American troops go into a Muslim country filled with hostiles, go see your local recruiter and ask for an 11 series enlistment.

Who knows, maybe military service would replace that Orthodox bigotry of yours with a sense of identification with your fellow Americans of all stripes and make a man out of you to boot.

More likely you'd get broken in the process, but it's worth a shot, isn't it?

23 posted on 05/08/2004 10:11:05 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: elfman2
When did the French start training the German Army?
24 posted on 05/08/2004 10:13:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: elfman2
Hell, small wonder the German people want the US troops to stay there. It is to protect them, silly me, and I thought it was only about money.
25 posted on 05/08/2004 10:18:36 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Hoplite
If I can refuse service in Kosovo and Bosnia protecting Muslims I would. Plus if I was stationed there you might not want me - I may frag your beloved Muslims every chance I get.
26 posted on 05/08/2004 10:20:02 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Yeah, tell that to the Croats and Slovenes. They'd get a good laugh at anyone hoping to be protected by the Serbs.
27 posted on 05/08/2004 10:24:23 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: The KG9 Kid
The entire Dutch government resigned almost *ten years* after their soldiers allowed a massacre of
6,000+ civilians by the Serbs in 1995.


My memory on that is hazy, so I invite correction.

Didn't the UN/Dutch troops actually serve as "traffic cops" in making sure the
victims-to-be were loaded onto busses in a calm and efficient manner?

I'm not trying to add to the shame of the event...but my recollection was the Dutch (UN)
troops knew they were under a threat, so they assisted in the deed...unwittingly assisting
as the loaders of the trains to Aushwitz would have done.
28 posted on 05/08/2004 10:25:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Poodlebrain
Since I am not trying to take land away from the Serbs and since my parents and grand parents did not serve in the SS I don't think the Serbs will give me any trouble.
29 posted on 05/08/2004 10:27:04 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: VOA
The report refers to accusation that the Dutch soldiers were indifferent to the fate of the Muslims, after a film showed troops drinking beer in Zagreb.

Go figure. You want to fight for the crescent moon and star?

30 posted on 05/08/2004 10:30:37 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You're free to do whatever you want, Destro.

Just understand, unlike here on FreeRepublic, you'll be held accountable for your actions, whether you abrogate your oath of enlistment or commit crimes against civilians.

No freedom without responsibility, Destro.

31 posted on 05/08/2004 10:33:17 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I have no wish to serve as a dhimmi in the American Muslim protection force.
32 posted on 05/08/2004 10:37:06 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: elfman2
hid like rabbits? Somewhere Jimmy Carter is sobbing in fear that the evil rabbits may decide to hide by him
33 posted on 05/08/2004 10:38:42 PM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: RaceBannon; Cacique
ping
34 posted on 05/08/2004 10:41:44 PM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin al-Qerry)
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To: VOA; Destro
My memory of the incident isn't any better than yours, but I recall that the unprepared and underequipped Dutch troops announced that they were opening a camp to protect the Muslim refugees.

The camp filled up, and the Serbs saw it as a nice juicy target. They quickly overran the camp and the Dutch soldiers fled. 8000+ people massacred.

Destro:

Though I believe that we backed the wrong side in the Balkans, that doesn't mean that I think we should have backed any side at all.

It may be true what you say about the Serbs protecting Christians, but I do know that the combatants in the Balkans know what soldiers they can mess with, and which ones they'd better friggin' not mess with.

Americans are in the latter group.

35 posted on 05/08/2004 10:50:09 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Destro
Well look at it this way then: if you moved to Serbia, you'd never have to worry about getting drafted into the "American Muslim protection force".

Whaddaya say? Belgrade has suffered a brain drain in the 1990's - they could use someone of your vast intellectual capacity to reverse the flow.

36 posted on 05/08/2004 10:50:39 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Sadly, I don't speak the Serbian lingo and they don't celebrate Christmas the same day I do. Also as a non-Seb I would not be in their army either.

But I will donate money to their war efforts in a heart beat. Got that to spare at least. Hey what happened to that Albanian terrorist that the Americans let walk out of Camp BondSteel?

37 posted on 05/08/2004 11:12:11 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: The KG9 Kid
No one dares messing with Americans - but Americans are doing nothing that will require a decision for them to be messed with. Why would Albanians attack Americans if the Americans are letting them burn down Churches and kill Serbian children at will in Kosovo? Let alone use Kosovo as a white slavery transit hub? Not true all the time - in cases where Americans stood between the mob and a church the mob backed off but the Americans can't and don't wantto be in front of all those churches all the time. The brass wants to send their boys home alive and not have questions arise from letters describing how their child died protecting a church from an Albanian mob who are supposed to be the "good guys" we helped a few years ago.
38 posted on 05/08/2004 11:19:12 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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I don't speak the Serbian lingo

Don't worry - you don't make any sense in English either, so it would be a wash.

Hey what happened to that Albanian terrorist that the Americans let walk out of Camp BondSteel?

See? Gibberish.

39 posted on 05/08/2004 11:35:12 PM PDT by Hoplite
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Why are Americans letting Muslim killers walk out of their prisons free? Suspects of Kosovo Bus Bombing Released, Belgrade Condemns Decision

DPA, December 20, 2001

PRISTINA, Dec 20, 2001 (Deutsche Presse-Agentur) -

Three Kosovar-Albanian suspects of a bus bombing which killed 11 Serbs and injured 20 in Podujevo in February were released Wednesday from United Nations detention.

Their freedom from detention centers in Pristina and Mitrovica followed a Kosovo Supreme Court decision on Tuesday ordering their immediate release.

Belgrade´s chief co-ordinator for Kosovo Nebojsa Covic strongly criticized the decision, charging on Wednesday that the judiciary system established under UN in the province was biased.

"The Kosovo Supreme Court decision is not new or unexpected. That body previously made an incorrect and unlawful decision. The Kosovo judiciary system is nationally biased", Covic told Deutsche Presse- Agentur, dpa in Belgrade.

The defense lawyer of the three Kosovar-Albanians, Tome Gashi, told dpa in Pristina that their release was justice coming late.

Gashi said his clients had been "political prisoners. They were kept in jail to convince the Serbs to take part in the elections, to tell Serbs: We have got the perpetrators. They are Albanians and former fighters of the Kosovo Liberation Army".

The suspects, Avdi Behluli, Qele Gashi and Jusuf Veliu, who were also members of the Kosovo Protection Corps (TMK), were detained for nine months.

The UNMIK administrator in the Kosovo, Hans Haekkerup, had issued an executive order keeping the men in detention pending trial, despite a lower court decision that they should be freed.

The Supreme Court said in its ruling, however, the prosecution lacked the evidence to try them.

"No founded suspicion existed in the case ... Beside the names of the suspects, no hints could be found on the whole documentation of the case so far that would indicate their connection with the mentioned case," the court said.

But the court found "suspicion exists against Florim Ejupi", the fourth and key suspect, who is at large. It said the investigators had discovered DNA traces matching Ejupi´s on a smoked cigarette found where the bomb was triggered.

Ejupi and the three others were arrested by NATO-led peacekeepers in March and April in Kosovo on the suspicion of being members of an Albanian terrorist cell that masterminded and carried out the bombing.

The case suffered a major blow three months after the investigations started when Ejupi escaped from a high-security United States military detention facility in eastern Kosovo.

"This case is an embarrassment," a senior UN source in Kosovo said. He maintained that foreign intelligence services reason for thinking that the three freed men should have been kept in detention, but that Kosovo´s prosecutor and police had failed to translate those reasons into court evidence.

An official of the Kosovo Peacekeeping Force (KFOR) would not comment on the releases, saying the case was a UNMIK matter.

After the terrorist attack on a Serb civilian bus (Feb 17) in which 11 people were killed (two of them children) and 40 wounded a few Kosovo Albanian suspects have been arrested by UN police. The main suspect Florim Ejupi is direcly linked to the circles of Kosovo Albanian organized crime, close to the former KLA and its successor UN/NATO sponosred Kosovo Protection Corps. Despite all security measures Ejupi ran away from the American detention facility in Camp Bondsteel. British Sunday Times reveals in its article by Bob Graham (July 29: British troops' error led to bus bomb) that "UN sources believe that Florim Ejupi had been working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). His trial would have been a serious embarrassment, they claim".

The murky aftermath of the so-called Nis Express bombing was further obscured when the chief suspect "escaped" in bizarre circumstances from a high- security American prison in the province.

The detective who headed the investigation into the attack has said he does not believe the suspect, a Kosovar Albanian who is also wanted in Germany on manslaughter and attempted murder charges, left the American Bondsteel base unaided.

"My opinion is he did not escape," said Detective Stu Kellock, former head of the United Nations Kosovo Mission´s regional serious crime squad. "I thought a prisoner could not just walk away from Bondsteel. In my opinion he was taken elsewhere for questioning or something and I still do not understand why we, the police in the investigation who held jurisdiction, were not involved."

UN sources believe the suspect, Florim Ejupi, who was wearing a bright orange prison uniform when he vanished and was said to have cut his way through four sets of barbed wire fences with a simple tool, had been working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). His trial would have been a serious embarrassment, they claim.

Capish? Verstehen sie?

In the Balkans, Americans provide no protection to Christians from Muslim killers.

40 posted on 05/09/2004 12:03:33 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: The KG9 Kid
See #40
41 posted on 05/09/2004 12:04:46 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: elfman2
Let's be kind here folks, the German government recently passed a bill that affords homosexual soldiers to sleep together. Now isn't that enlightening?

How come nobody has posted a Sgt Schultz?
42 posted on 05/09/2004 12:16:55 AM PDT by MN_Mike (In Pelosi, Kerry and the Blow Fish (Kennedy) We Mis-Trust)
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To: MN_Mike
Funny thing - I posted a picture of Sgt Schultz last night on this thread @#11:

American at Red Square Marks Victory Day (Escaped POW fought with Russians for Berlin)

43 posted on 05/09/2004 12:19:09 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
"Hell, small wonder the German people want the US troops to stay there"

Are you sure?
I don`t know just *one single* German who wants to keep
US troops in Germany... just a few mayors of small
villages in the South-West and Bavaria.

" It is to protect them, silly me, and I thought it was only about money."

To protect against whom?

...and whose money are you talking about?
About the 1.5$ Billion shared costs Germany pays
for the US bases each year, or the few bucks spend by
underpaid G.I.s in local shops? While the $ is loosing
it`s value nearly every week?

Hun

44 posted on 05/09/2004 4:20:25 AM PDT by Hun in the sun
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To: Destro
You are absolutely on track, Destro.

See http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/frd1003.pdf
Pages 80-83

Hun


45 posted on 05/09/2004 5:21:56 AM PDT by Hun in the sun
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To: elfman2
The Kaiser must be spinning in his tomb...
46 posted on 05/09/2004 5:25:13 AM PDT by Junior (Sodomy non sapiens)
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To: Guillermo
"If it weren't for the US, a batallion of Jihadists could probably take over Germany (and France, and Belgium)."

serves them right....
47 posted on 05/09/2004 5:27:21 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: elfman2
Yes and they were probably celebrating with food from the Oil for Food Program!
48 posted on 05/09/2004 5:32:31 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270)
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To: Destro
Actually didn't we bomb Christian cities so that muslims could continue their insurgency without hassle?
49 posted on 05/09/2004 5:39:20 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
Finally, it seems you got it...

Hun
50 posted on 05/09/2004 5:48:18 AM PDT by Hun in the sun
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