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Iranian Alert -- May 10, 2004 [EST]-- IRAN LIVE THREAD -- "Americans for Regime Change in Iran"
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 5.10.2004 | DoctorZin

Posted on 05/09/2004 9:00:10 PM PDT by DoctorZIn

The US media almost entirely ignores news regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran. As Tony Snow of the Fox News Network has put it, “this is probably the most under-reported news story of the year.” Most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East.

There is a popular revolt against the Iranian regime brewing in Iran today. I began these daily threads June 10th 2003. On that date Iranians once again began taking to the streets to express their desire for a regime change. Today in Iran, most want to replace the regime with a secular democracy.

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movement in Iran from being reported. Unfortunately, the regime has successfully prohibited western news reporters from covering the demonstrations. The voices of discontent within Iran are sometime murdered, more often imprisoned. Still the people continue to take to the streets to demonstrate against the regime.

In support of this revolt, Iranians in America have been broadcasting news stories by satellite into Iran. This 21st century news link has greatly encouraged these protests. The regime has been attempting to jam the signals, and locate the satellite dishes. Still the people violate the law and listen to these broadcasts. Iranians also use the Internet and the regime attempts to block their access to news against the regime. In spite of this, many Iranians inside of Iran read these posts daily to keep informed of the events in their own country.

This daily thread contains nearly all of the English news reports on Iran. It is thorough. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary. The news stories and commentary will from time to time include material from the regime itself. But if you read the post you will discover for yourself, the real story of what is occurring in Iran and its effects on the war on terror.

I am not of Iranian heritage. I am an American committed to supporting the efforts of those in Iran seeking to replace their government with a secular democracy. I am in contact with leaders of the Iranian community here in the United States and in Iran itself.

If you read the daily posts you will gain a better understanding of the US war on terrorism, the Middle East and why we need to support a change of regime in Iran. Feel free to ask your questions and post news stories you discover in the weeks to come.

If all goes well Iran will be free soon and I am convinced become a major ally in the war on terrorism. The regime will fall. Iran will be free. It is just a matter of time.

DoctorZin


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Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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2 posted on 05/09/2004 9:03:55 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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House Calls For Stopping Iran's Nukes By All Means

May 10, 2004
Middle East Newsline
MENL

WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives has called on the United States and the rest of the international community to stop Iran's nuclear weapons programs by any means.

House members said the resolution was meant to pave the way for a more aggressive U.S. stance toward Iran's secret development of nuclear weapons. They said this could include additional sanctions on nuclear suppliers to Iran as well as military options.

The nonbinding House resolution, passed 376-3, was said to have endorsed the Bush administration's doctrine of preventive war in the case of Iran's nuclear weapons. The resolution called on the United States and other members of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to "use all appropriate means to deter, dissuade and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat, said similar wording was used by the Bush administration to justify its decision to launch war against the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein. Kucinich voted against the resolution.

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/may/05_10_2.html
3 posted on 05/09/2004 9:04:54 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Expressing the concern of Congress over Iran's development of the means to produce nuclear weapons. (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c108okPEbr::

Be sure to read the declarations made at the end of the resolution! It calls on European Governments and other governments to cease all development activity with regard to Oil Industry and other investment areas..

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. CON. RES. 398

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Expressing the concern of Congress over Iran's development of the means to produce nuclear weapons.

HCON 398 EH

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. CON. RES. 398



CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Whereas the United States has for years attempted to alert the international community to Iran's covert nuclear activities in support of an intention to develop a nuclear weapon, contrary to its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT);

Whereas Iran's covert activities to develop the means to produce nuclear weapons are finally beginning to be revealed to the international community;

Whereas Iran did not declare to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) the existence of the Natanz Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant and the production-scale Fuel Enrichment Facility under construction at Natanz until February 2003, after the existence of the plant and facility was revealed by an opposition group;

Whereas it is estimated that the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant could produce enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon every year-and-a-half to two years;

Whereas it is estimated that the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Facility could, when completed, produce enough highly enriched uranium for as many as 25-30 nuclear weapons per year;

Whereas in his report of June 6, 2003, the Director-General of the IAEA stated that Iran had failed to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA to report all nuclear material imported into Iran --specifically, the importation of uranium hexafluoride from China in 1991--the processing and use of that material, and the facilities involved in the use and processing of the material;

Whereas the IAEA Board of Governors urged Iran in June 2003 to promptly rectify its failures to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement, not to introduce nuclear material into the Natanz Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant, and to cooperate fully with the Agency in resolving questions about its nuclear activities;

Whereas the IAEA Director General reported to the Board of Governors in August 2003 that, after further investigation, Iran failed to disclose additional nuclear activities as required by its Safeguards Agreement and continued to fail to resolve questions about its undeclared uranium enrichment activities;

Whereas the IAEA Board of Governors on September 12, 2003, called on Iran to suspend all further uranium enrichment and any plutonium reprocessing activities, disclose all its nuclear activities, and cooperate fully with the Agency, and to sign, ratify, and fully implement the Additional Protocol between Iran and the IAEA for the application of safeguards to strengthen investigation of all nuclear activities within Iran , and requested all third countries to cooperate closely and fully with the Agency in resolving questions about Iran's nuclear program;

Whereas IAEA inspectors and officials continued to confront Iran with discrepancies in its explanations of its nuclear activities;

Whereas on October 9, 2003, in a letter to the Director General of the IAEA, Iran finally confirmed that it had conducted research on uranium conversion processes at the Esfahan Nuclear Technology Centre and the Tehran Nuclear Research Centre, despite its earlier denials of such activities;

Whereas on October 21, 2003, Iran and the Foreign Ministers of France, Germany, and the United Kingdom issued a joint statement in which Iran indicated that it had decided to suspend all uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities as defined by the IAEA;

Whereas this statement also foresaw the provision of unspecified nuclear technical cooperation once Iran had satisfied international concerns about its nuclear development program;

Whereas in a subsequent letter on October 23, 2003, Iran further admitted that it had tested uranium enrichment centrifuges at the Kalaye Electric Company between 1998 and 2002 using its previously undeclared imported uranium hexafluoride from China;

Whereas in that same letter, Iran admitted that it had a laser uranium enrichment program, in which it used 30 kg of uranium not previously declared to the IAEA, another violation of its Safeguards Agreement;

Whereas in that same letter, Iran also admitted that it had irradiated 7 kg of uranium dioxide targets and reprocessed them to extract plutonium, another violation of its legal obligation to disclose such activities under its Safeguards Agreement;

Whereas Iran told the IAEA on November 10, 2003, that it would sign and ratify the Additional Protocol agreement for further safeguards, and would act in accordance with the Additional Protocol pending its full entry-into-force;

Whereas on November 10, 2003, Iran further informed the IAEA Director General that it had decided to suspend all enrichment and reprocessing activities in Iran , not to produce feed material for enrichment processes, and not to import enrichment related items;

Whereas the IAEA, through its investigative and forensic activities in Iran and elsewhere, has uncovered and confronted Iran in numerous lies about its nuclear activities;

Whereas the Director General of the IAEA reported to the IAEA Board of Governors on November 10, 2003, that Iran has concealed many aspects of its nuclear activities from the IAEA, which constituted breaches of its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement;

Whereas despite Iran's subsequent pledge to, once again, fully disclose all of its nuclear activities to the IAEA, the Director General of the IAEA, in his report of February 24, 2004, found that Iran continued to engage in deception regarding its nuclear activities, including failing to disclose a more sophisticated enrichment program using more advanced enrichment centrifuge technology imported from foreign sources, and noncredible explanations involving experiments to create a highly toxic isotope of polonium that is useful as a neutron initiator in nuclear weapons and a firm indicator of a nuclear weapons development program;

Whereas these deceptions by Iran were continuing violations of Iran's Safeguards Agreement and of Iran's previous assurances to the IAEA and the international community for full transparency;

Whereas despite Iran's commitment to the IAEA and to France, Germany, and the United Kingdom that it would suspend uranium enrichment activities, it has repeatedly emphasized that this suspension is temporary and continued to import and manufacture uranium enrichment centrifuge parts and equipment, allowing it to resume and expand its uranium enrichment activities whenever it chooses;

Whereas the statements on February 25, 2004, of Hassan Rowhani, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran , that Iran was not required to reveal to the IAEA its research into more sophisticated `P2' uranium enrichment centrifuges, and that Iran has other projects which it has no intention of declaring to the IAEA, are contrary to--

(1) Iran's commitment to the IAEA in a letter on October 16, 2003, by the Vice President of Iran and President of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization that Iran would present a `full picture of its nuclear activities' and `full transparency';

(2) its commitment to the foreign ministers of the United Kingdom, France, and Germany of October 21, 2003, to full transparency and to resolve all outstanding issues; and

(3) its statement to the IAEA's Board of Governors of September 12, 2003, of its commitment to full transparency and to `leave no stone unturned' to assure the IAEA of its peaceful objectives;

Whereas it is abundantly clear that Iran remains committed to a nuclear weapons program;

Whereas Libya received enrichment equipment and technology, and a nuclear weapons design, from the same nuclear black market that Iran has used, raising the question of whether Iran , as well, received a nuclear weapon design that it has refused to reveal to international inspectors;

Whereas the Ministry of the Atomic Energy of the Russian Federation has recently announced that it will soon conclude an agreement to supply Iran with enriched nuclear fuel for the Bushehr nuclear power reactor, ignoring the need to sanction Iran to persuade it to cease its nuclear weapons development program;

Whereas the IAEA Board of Governors' resolution of March 13, 2004, which was adopted unanimously, noted with `serious concern that the declarations made by Iran in October 2003 did not amount to the complete and final picture of Iran's past and present nuclear programme considered essential by the Board's November 2003 resolution', and also noted that the Agency has discovered that Iran had hidden more advanced centrifuge associated research, manufacturing, and testing activities; two mass spectrometers used in the laser enrichment program; and designs for hot cells to handle highly radioactive materials;

Whereas the same resolution also noted `with equal concern that Iran has not resolved all questions regarding the development of its enrichment technology to its current extent, and that a number of other questions remain unresolved, including the sources of all HEU contamination in Iran ; the location, extent and nature of work undertaken on the basis of the advanced centrifuge design; the nature, extent, and purpose of activities involving the planned heavy-water reactor; and evidence to support claims regarding the purpose of polonium-210 experiments';

Whereas Hassan Rowhani on March 13, 2004, declared that IAEA inspections would be indefinitely suspended as a protest against the IAEA Board of Governors' resolution of March 13, 2004, and while Iran subsequently agreed to readmit inspectors by March 27, 2004, this suspension calls into serious question Iran's commitment to full transparency about its nuclear activities; and

Whereas Iran's pattern of deception and concealment in dealing with the IAEA, the Foreign Ministers of France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, and the international community, its receipt from other countries of the means to enrich uranium, and its repeated breaches of its IAEA Safeguards Agreement, indicate that Iran has also violated its legal obligation under article II of the NPT not to acquire or seek assistance in acquiring nuclear weapons: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That the Congress--
(1) condemns in the strongest possible terms Iran's continuing deceptions and falsehoods to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the international community about its nuclear programs and activities;

(2) calls upon all State Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), including the United States, to use all appropriate means to deter, dissuade, and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, including ending all nuclear and other cooperation with Iran (including the provision of dual use items), until Iran fully implements the Additional Protocol between Iran and the IAEA for the application of safeguards;

(3) declares that Iran , through its many breaches for 18 years of its Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA, has forfeited the right to be trusted with development of a nuclear fuel cycle, especially with uranium conversion and enrichment and plutonium reprocessing technology, equipment, and facilities;

(4) declares that the recent revelations of Iran's nondisclosure of additional enrichment and nuclear-weapons-applicable research activities, as detailed in the report of February 24, 2004, by the Director General of the IAEA, along with the statement by the Government of Iran that it will not disclose other research programs, constitute ample evidence of Iran's continuing policy of noncompliance with the letter and spirit of its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement and the Additional Protocol;

(5) demands that Iran immediately and permanently cease all efforts to acquire nuclear fuel cycle capabilities and to immediately, unconditionally, and permanently cease all nuclear enrichment activities, including manufacturing and importing related equipment;

(6) demands that Iran honor its stated commitments and legal obligations to grant the IAEA inspectors full unrestricted access and cooperate fully with the investigation of its nuclear activities and demonstrate a new openness and honesty about all its nuclear programs;

(7) contrasts Iran's behavior with Libya's, in which Libya's decision to renounce and dismantle its nuclear weapons program and to provide full, complete, and transparent disclosure of all its nuclear activities has enabled the IAEA to rapidly understand and verify with high confidence the extent and scope of Libya's program;

(8) calls upon the members of the European Union not to resume discussions with Iran on multilateral trade agreements until such time that Iran has verifiably and permanently ceased all nuclear weapons development activity, including a permanent cessation of uranium conversion and enrichment and plutonium reprocessing activities;

(9) further calls upon the European Union to consider what further measures, including sanctions, may be necessary to persuade Iran to fulfill its obligations and commitments to the IAEA;

(10) in light of ongoing revelations of the noncompliance of the Government of Iran regarding its obligations under the NPT and pledges to the IAEA, and in light of the consequent and ongoing questions and concerns of the IAEA, the United States, and the international community regarding Iran's military nuclear activities--

(A) urges Japan to ensure that Japanese commercial entities not proceed with the development of Iran's Azadegan oil field;

(B) urges France and Malaysia to ensure that French and Malaysian commercial entities not proceed with their agreement for further cooperation in expanding Iran's liquid natural gas production field;

(C) calls on all countries to intercede with their commercial entities to ensure that these entities refrain from or cease all investment and investment-related activities that support Iran's energy industry; and

(D) calls on the President to enforce the provisions of the Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996 to discourage foreign commercial entities from investing in Iran's energy industry;

(11) deplores any effort by any country to provide any nuclear power-related assistance whatsoever to Iran , and calls upon Russia to suspend nuclear cooperation with Iran and not conclude a nuclear fuel supply agreement for the Bushehr reactor, until the conditions of paragraph (8) are satisfied;

(12) calls upon the governments of the countries whose nationals and corporations are implicated in assisting Iranian nuclear activities, especially Pakistan, Malaysia, the United Arab Emirates, and Germany, to fully investigate such assistance, to grant the IAEA full access to individuals, sites, and all information related to the investigations, and to immediately review and rectify their export control laws, regulations, and practices in order to prevent further assistance to countries seeking to develop nuclear programs that could support the development of nuclear weapons;

(13) urges the IAEA Board of Governors, at its earliest opportunity, to report to the United Nations Security Council that Iran is in noncompliance with its agreements with the IAEA;

(14) urges the President of the United States to provide whatever financial, material, or intelligence resources are necessary to the IAEA to enable it to fully investigate Iran's nuclear activities;

(15) urges the United Nations Security Council, the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the Zangger Committee, and other relevant international entities to declare that non-nuclear-weapon states under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), who commit violations of their safeguards agreements regarding uranium enrichment or plutonium reprocessing, or engage in activities which could support a military nuclear program, thereby forfeit their right under the NPT to engage in nuclear fuel-cycle activities;

(16) further urges the United Nations Security Council to consider measures necessary to support the inspection efforts by the IAEA and to prevent Iran from further engaging in clandestine nuclear activities; and

(17) urges the President to keep the Congress fully and currently informed concerning the matters addressed in this resolution.

Passed the House of Representatives May 6, 2004.

Attest:

Clerk.
4 posted on 05/09/2004 9:08:14 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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House Calls For Stopping Iran's Nukes By All Means

May 10, 2004
Middle East Newsline
MENL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1132536/posts?page=3#3
5 posted on 05/09/2004 9:09:19 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Army Keeps Tehran's New Airport Shut

May 09, 2004
AFP
Siavosh Ghazi

TEHRAN -- The Iranian army kept Tehran's new airport shut Sunday in a row over a foreign operator that saw the military take control of Imam Khomeini International Airport (IKIA) after a maiden commercial flight.

The facility will remain closed until the armed forces have "seen the cancellation of the contract with the Turkish company and a new contract (signed) with Iranian firms", said armed forces commander General Alireza Afshar.

He told the Mehr news agency that Saturday's shutdown was enforced for "security reasons" and had the approval of President Mohammad Khatami.

Just hours after an Emirates plane touched down from Dubai, army vehicles were deployed on the tarmac to prevent any further landings, although the aircraft owned by the southern Gulf emirate was allowed to return home.

An Iran Air plane, however, was diverted to Isfahan, some 500 kilometres (300 miles) away. The aircraft was even warned of anti-aircraft fire and two warplanes were scrambled to escort it to Isfahan, according to the reformist daily Shargh.

Soldiers and elite Revolutionary Guard troops sealed off the airport, according to various sources.

Tepe-Akfen-Vie (TAV), an Austrian-Turkish consortium, has been at the centre of problems which delayed the opening of IKIA, which is designed to replace the congested and ageing Mehrabad International closer to Tehran.

The army has launched a campaign in the pages of Iran's conservative newspapers against the awarding of the licence to TAV, which it says has business interests in Israel, arch-foe of the Islamic republic.

"The granting of contracts to Turkish and Emirati companies poses a security problem at the airport," said Afshar.

He said the armed forces had delivered a report to the Supreme National Security Council, which is headed by Hassan Rowhani, who had in turn asked the transport ministry to scrap the contract with TAV.

The civil defence authority, meanwhile, was on the defensive Sunday.

There has never been a contract with the Turkish company. It was simply a memorandum and we have asked the company's agents to leave the airport," civil aviation spokesman Reza Jafarzadeh told AFP.

"For the time being, the situation is normal at the airport, which is in the hands of civil aviation. But there will be no flight until the problem has been fully sorted out," he said.

IKIA, in the middle of the desert about 45 kilometres (30 miles) south of the capital, was built at a cost of 350 million dollars with a capacity of 2.5 million international and four million domestic passengers a year.

Officials had said the airport -- a project first launched three decades ago -- would eventually be able to handle 40 million passengers a year as a regional transport hub.

Khatami inaugurated the airport's Terminal 1 with much fanfare on February 1 -- the 25th anniversary of the return from exile of the founder of the Islamic republic, the late Ayotollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

It was due to start handling international flights at the end of March but has been hit by a series of delays.

Air transport is one of several areas of confrontation between thadvocates of a liberal economy, especially inside Khatami's pro-reform government, and their opponents.

http://www.iranmania.com/news/090504g.asp
6 posted on 05/09/2004 9:10:27 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Our enemies know the weaknesses of the Western mind.

Our Weird Way of War
Our enemies know us only too well.

By Victor Davis Hanson
May 07, 2004, 8:32 a.m.
National Review Online

The wars since September 11 have once more revealed the superiority of Western arms. Afghanistan may be 7,000 miles away, cold, high, and full of clans, warlords, and assorted folk who have historically enjoyed killing foreign interlopers for blood sport, but somehow a few thousand Americans went over there and took out the invincible Taliban in eight weeks. What followed was not perfect, but Mr. Karzai offers far more hope than a Mullah Omar — and without half of Afghanistan ceded over as a terrorist sanctuary to plan another September 11.

Iraq is a long way away too. And the neighborhood is especially eerie, with the likes of hostile Syria and Iran, and triangulators on the dole like Jordan and Egypt. When we become ecstatic because a megalomaniac like Khaddafi says he's taken a hiatus from nuclear acquisition, you can see that good news over there is rare indeed.

Add in the hysteria over oil, three decades of the Baathist nightmare, and a potpourri of terrorists, and the idea of even getting near Iraq seems crazy. Yet we defeated Saddam in less than three weeks — in far less time than the 125- to 225-day conflict originally predicted by many Pentagon planners. True, the year-long reconstruction has often been depressing and bloody; but here we are a year later with some hope for a government better than Saddam set to take power. Success, remember, need not be defined as perfection, but simply by leaving things far better than they were.

Despite the tragedy of nearly 600 American combat dead, we did not see thousands of American fatalities, millions of refugees, burning oil wells, and the other assorted Dante-esque scenarios that were promised before the war. In other words, distance, climate, weather, the foul nature of the enemy — all those and more challenges were predictably trumped by the U.S. military, which cannot be defeated on the field of battle by any present force in existence.

Yet will we always see political successes follow from our military triumphs? Hardly — and for a variety of reasons. We are confronted with the paradox that our new military's short wars rarely inflict enough damage on the fabric of a country to establish a sense of general defeat — or the humiliation often necessary for a change of heart and acceptance of change. In the messy follow-ups to these brief and militarily precise wars, it is hard to muster patience and commitment from an American public plagued with attention-deficit problems and busy with better things to do than give fist-shaking Iraqis $87 billion.

Still, we must give proper credit to our enemies for our present problems in Iraq and indeed in the so-called war against terror in general. The fundamentalists and holdover fascists are as adroit off the conventional battlefield as they were incompetent on it. If Middle Eastern fanatics cannot field tens of thousands to meet the United States in battle, they can at least offer up a few hundred spooky assassins, car bombers, and suicide killers seeking to achieve through repulsion what they otherwise could not through arms.

Thus while hundreds of thousands of Saddam's soldiers ran — as Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians did from the Israelis in five wars — hundreds most certainly did not once the rules of war changed to the protocols of peace. Recently we were within hours of smashing the resistance in Fallujah once we accepted war anew. But when the mujahedeen, Gollum-like, decided to slither out in the open, then in terror scampered to safety, then remerged on all fours defiant and barking when we stopped firing, our forbearance and fear of global-televised condemnation handed them a victory they did not earn. In short, we should have listened to Sam and strangled the creep on the spot.

But our problems are not just with the paradoxes of the fourth-dimensional, asymmetric warfare that the United States has dealt with since the fighting in the Philippines and knew so well in Vietnam.

No, the challenge again is that bin Laden, the al Qaedists, the Baathist remnants, and the generic radical Islamicists of the Middle East have mastered the knowledge of the Western mind. Indeed they know us far better than we do ourselves. Three years ago, if one had dared to suggest that a few terrorists could bring down the Spanish government and send their legion scurrying out of Iraq, we would have thought it impossible.

Who would have imagined that Americans could go, in a few weeks, from the terror of seeing two skyscrapers topple to civil discord over the diet and clothing of war in Guantanamo, some of whom were released only to turn up to shoot at us again on the battlefields of Afghanistan? Our grandfathers would have dubbed Arafat a gangster, and al Sadr a psychopathic faker; many of us in our infinite capacity for fairness and non-judgementalism deemed the one a statesman and the other a holy man.

So our enemies realize that the struggle, lost on the battlefield, can yet be won with images and rhetoric offered up to alter the mentality and erode the will of an affluent, leisured and consensual West. They grasp that we are not so much worried about being convicted of being illiberal as having the charge even raised in the first place.

The one caveat they have learned? Do not provoke us too dramatically to bring on an open shooting war, in which the Arab Street hysteria, empty threats on spec, and silly fatwas nos. 1 through 1,000 mean nothing against the U.S. Marines and Cobra gunships. Instead, their modus operandi is to push all the way up to war — now provoking, now backing down, sometimes threatening, sometimes weeping — the key being to see the struggle in the long duration as a war of attrition, if you will, rather than a brief contest of annihilation.

These rules of the strategy of exhaustion are complex, and yet have been nearly mastered by the radicals of the Middle East. First, shock the sensibilities of a Western society into utter despair at facing primordial enemies from the Dark Ages. The decapitation of a Daniel Pearl; the probing of charred bodies with sticks, whether in Iran in 1980 or Fallujah in 2004; the promise of torturing Japanese hostages — all this is designed to make the Western suburbanite change channels and head to the patio, mumbling either, "How can we fight such barbarians" or — better yet — "Why would we wish to?"

If, on occasion, an exasperated and furious West sinks to the same level — renegade prisoner guards gratuitously humiliating or torturing naked Iraqi prisoners on tape — all the better, as proof that the elevated pretensions of Western decency and humanity are but a sham. A single violation of civility, a momentary lapse in humanism and in the new world of Western cultural relativism and moral equivalence, presto, the West loses its carefully carved-out moral high ground as it engages not merely in much needed self-critique and scrutiny, but reaches a feeding frenzy that evolves to outright cultural cannibalism.

For someone in a coffee-house in Brussels the idea that Bush apologizes for a dozen or so prison guards makes him the same as or worse than Saddam and his sons shooting prisoners for sport — moral equivalence lapped up by the state-controlled and censored Arab media that is largely responsible for the collective Middle East absence of rage over the exploding, decapitating, and incinerating of Western civilians in its midst.

Key here is our own acceptance of such moral asymmetries. Storming the Church of the Nativity is a misdemeanor in the Western press; shelling a minaret full of shooters is a felony. Blowing up Westerners in Saudi Arabia or Jordan is de rigueur; asking Muslims to take off their scarves while in French schools is a casus belli. If Afghanistan has roads, a benevolent man as president, and al Qaedists on the run, call it a failure because Mr. Karzai has not been able, FDR-like, to tour the countryside in a convertible limousine waving to crowds.

Institutionalized cowardice plays a role as well in this weird way of war: Call the few dozen dead in a West Bank town the wages of Jeningrad or the fire-fighting in Fallujah an atrocity, but don't utter a peep about the 80,000 dead in Chechnya or the flattening of Grozny. The Russians are not quite folk like the Israelis or Americans. They really don't care much if you hate them; they are likely to do some pretty scary things if you press them; they don't have too much money to shake down; they don't put you on cable news to yell at their citizenry; and you wouldn't really wish to emigrate there for a teaching fellowship anyway.

The moral of all this? The West can defeat the enemy on the battlefield, but in distant and much-caricatured wars on the dirty ground it can only win when it has leaders who can convince a fickle public into sacrificing, being ridiculed, and putting up with inevitable short-term disappointment that is the price of long-term security and stability — a sacrifice that in turn will never be acknowledged as such by the very people who are its beneficiaries both here and abroad.

How weird is our way of war! When we embrace Clintonian bombing — in Kosovo, Serbia, or in Iraq — and kill thousands, America sleeps: few of our guys killed, so who cares how many of theirs? Out of sight, out of mind. Yet when we take the trouble to sort out the messy moral calculus and go in on the ground shooting and getting shot, then suddenly the Left cries war crimes and worse — so strong is this Western disease of wishing to be perfect rather than merely good. Such is the self-induced burden for all those who would be gods rather than mere mortals.

What then are we to do when choices since September 11 have always been between bad and worse? We at least must have enough sense not to stand down and let Iraq become Lebanonized, Talibanized, or Iranicized, even though when all is said and done Americans will be blamed for bringing something better to the region. And yes, we need more democracy, not less, in Iraq and the surrounding Middle East in general.

We have to return to an audacious and entirely unpredictable combat mode; put on a happy, aw-shucks face while annihilating utterly the Baathist remnants and Sadr's killers; attribute this success to the new Iraqi government and its veneer of an army for its own 'miraculous' courage; ignore the incoming rounds of moral hypocrisy on Iraq from Europe (past French and German oil deals and arms sales), the Arab League (silence over Iraqi holocausts, cheating on sanctions), and the U.N. (Oil-for-Food debacle); explain to an exasperated American people why other people hate us for who we are rather than what we do; and apologize sincerely and forcefully once — not gratuitously and zillions of times — for the rare transgression.

Do all that and we can really complete this weird peace in Iraq.

http://nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200405070832.asp
7 posted on 05/09/2004 9:18:15 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Date Released: Thursday, May 06, 2004 Source: United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs

United Nations Workshop on the Use of Space Technology For Environmental Security, Disaster Rehabilitation And Sustainable Development

VIENNA, 6 May (UN Information Service) -- The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA), within the framework of the United Nations Programme on Space Applications, is organizing a five-day Regional Workshop on the Use of Space Technology for Environmental Security, Disaster Rehabilitation and Sustainable Development. The Workshop, which is being jointly organized with the Iranian Space Agency (ISA) on behalf of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, will be held in Tehran from 8 to 12 May 2004. The other co-organizers of the workshop are the Secretariat for the International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (ISDR), Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and the European Space Agency (ESA).

Earth observation satellites and other space technologies provide significant and unique solutions in all areas of disaster management, including mitigation, preparedness and prevention, disaster relief and also disaster rehabilitation. Similarly, space-based solutions play an important role in environmental security, which is defined as the relative safety from environmental dangers, such as pollution and sea-level change, caused by natural or human processes due to ignorance, accident, mismanagement or design, and originating within or across national borders.

The objectives of this Workshop are to: (a) increase awareness about the potential benefits of using space technologies within the areas of environmental security, disaster management and sustainable development among managers and decision makers who deal with such issues; (b) determine the types of information and communications needed in activities in those areas and the extent to which space technologies could meet those needs; (c) develop a plan of action with recommendations that will guide the incorporation of space technologies in environmental security, disaster management and sustainable development, and; (d) define and establish a regional database for knowledge and data sharing on the environment and disasters, as well as on their sound management and monitoring.

The Workshop will be divided into presentation sessions, discussion panels and discussion sessions. The presentation sessions will demonstrate the successful use of space technologies in areas including environmental security, natural hazards, disaster rehabilitation, post-conflict reconstruction and refugee support. The panels will bring together experts to focus on specific aspects of space technology applied in those areas. During the discussion sessions, the participants will form smaller groups to discuss specific topics that will lead to the development of an action plan with recommendations and guidelines, as well as profiles for possible pilot projects.

The Workshop will be attended by technical personnel and decision makers from the following countries and international organizations: Afghanistan, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Cuba, Egypt, France, India, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Nepal, Netherlands, Pakistan, Qatar, Russian Federation, Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic, United States of America, Uzbekistan, Yemen, United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and OOSA.

The United Nations Programme on Space Applications is implemented by the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs and works to improve the use of space science and technology for the economic and social development of all nations, in particular developing countries. Under the Programme, the Office conducts training courses, workshops, seminars and other activities on applications and capacity building in subjects such as remote sensing, communications, satellite meteorology, search and rescue, basic space science, satellite navigation and space law.

The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA) implements the decisions of the General Assembly and of the Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space and its two Subcommittees, the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee and the Legal Subcommittee. The Office is responsible for promoting international cooperation in the peaceful uses of outer space, and assisting developing countries in using space science technology. Located in Vienna, Austria, OOSA maintains a website at http://www.oosa.unvienna.org.

United Nations Information Service Vienna (UNIS) P.O.Box 500, A-1400 Vienna, Austria Tel.: (+43-1) 26060 4666, FAX: (+43-1) 26060 5899 Email: UNIS@unvienna.org

Visit our home page: www.unis.unvienna


8 posted on 05/09/2004 9:21:12 PM PDT by day
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To: day; DoctorZIn
This seems unrelated to the thread topic!
9 posted on 05/09/2004 9:54:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Well Now
Khamenei is just one click away~~~ LoL!

http://www.khamenei.ir/
11 posted on 05/09/2004 10:25:02 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: F14 Pilot
How to click with Iran's Supreme Leader

May 10, 2004 - 2:07PM

Religious edicts are now only a click away after Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei launched his own Web site.

The site (www.khamenei.ir) posts religious decrees, speeches and the latest anecdotes from the man who has the last word on all state matters in the Islamic Republic.

Khamenei gives advice on ritual ablution and tells readers they should try to cleanse themselves before touching any official paperwork with letterheads including the name of God.

The site is run by a section of the supreme leader's office dedicated to preserving his writing and sayings.

In the biography section Khamenei tells how he returned home from his seminary studies to tend to his ailing father.

"If I have been successful in life, I believe that it stems from this good deed I did for my father," he said on the Web site which is written in Persian, Arabic and English.

Reuters

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/10/1084041318757.html
12 posted on 05/09/2004 10:36:57 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
They said this could include additional sanctions on nuclear suppliers to Iran as well as military options.

In the WOT, Bush went after the financing of terrorism. Can't some similar arrangement be brokered between nations that do business with Iran?

13 posted on 05/09/2004 11:23:15 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Personality can open doors, but only character can keep them open. --Elmer G. Letterman)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Perhaps the linkage is the natural disaster that occured in Bam?
14 posted on 05/09/2004 11:24:27 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Personality can open doors, but only character can keep them open. --Elmer G. Letterman)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; DoctorZIn; Ernest_at_the_Beach; F14 Pilot
United Nations/Islamic Republic of Iran Regional Workshop on the Use of Space Technology for Environmental Security, Disaster Rehabilitation and Sustainable Development", Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran, 8 - 12 May 2004


Information Note (pdf format)
Application form (MSWord format)


Then we will also be organising the final regional workshop on the series of space technology and disaster management.

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/SAP/rs/iraninfoE.pdf
15 posted on 05/10/2004 5:24:35 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
It was posted on a fair number of threads also.
16 posted on 05/10/2004 7:51:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Tehran’s Hidden Hand - Iran’s mounting threats in Iraq

National Review - By Jonathan Schanzer
May 10, 2004

The State Department's annual "Patterns of Global Terrorism" report was issued earlier this month, complete with its usual hit parade of terrorist groups, state sponsors and emerging trends. Predictably, Iran was singled out for the "planning of and support for terrorist acts," as well as assistance to "a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals." The report also fingers Iran for pursuing "a variety of policies in Iraq aimed at securing Tehran's perceived interests there, some of which ran counter to those of the Coalition." A statement castigating Iran for such activities was long overdue. However, Washington must now challenge Iran over this growing list of nefarious activities in Iraq that have been plaguing coalition reconstruction efforts.

Conventional Fighting. Ash-Sharq al-Awsat ran this headline on March 16, 2004: "American and Iranian Forces Exchange Fire on the Border." American officials claimed that one Iranian border guard was killed, and other reports indicated that three Iranians were killed, but Tehran denied that any such incident took place. This was not the first time that open hostilities were reported. Coalition officials indicated in January and February that Abu al-Khasib, the port just below Basra on the Shatt al-Arab, has been the scene of Iranian violence against Iraqis. Iranian Revolutionary Guards have opened fire upon Iraqi water patrols along the estuary separating their two countries. Iranian fighters are also inside Iraq, and they may or may not be sanctioned by Tehran. On February 14, when a number of guerrillas attacked a police station in Fallujah, it was learned that two of the slain guerrillas were Iranian. An insurgency attack the week before, according to U.S. sources, was an attempt to free a number of Iranians who had only recently been arrested in Fallujah.

Hezbollah & IRGC. In February 2004, during a Washington Institute fact-finding mission to Iraq, one Coalition official reported that Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) offices were spotted in the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala. Moreover, officials noted an immense amount of Hezbollah activity in the city of Karbala. Most of the activity was "intimidation and threats of intimidation...Mafia-type stuff." During our delegation's one day in Basra, we spotted a building that openly advertised the offices of Hezbollah. Members of this organization insisted that their Hezbollah was not tied to Tehran, and that the name, which means "Party of God," is a common one. According to one report in the Arabic paper al-Hayat, Iran sent some 90 Hezbollah fighters into Iraq shortly after Saddam's Iraq fell. The group now receives financing, training and weapons from Iran, and has a rapidly growing presence in the Shi'a south. Western intelligence officials also allege that the man who planned the recent suicide attacks in Basra is Imad Mughniyeh, the Hezbollah operative responsible for bombing the U.S. embassy in Beirut in the early 1980s.

Propaganda. Even before the U.S.-led war on Iraq, Iran had begun beaming in Arabic-language television programming in an effort to gain a strategic propaganda foothold in the country — and it has not stopped. Indeed, American labors to win hearts and minds through the television station, al-Iraqiyya, and Radio Sawa have been steadily undermined by these efforts. In April 2003, an Iranian journalist reported that Iranian Revolutionary Guards brought into Iraq radio-transmission equipment, posters, and printed matter for the militia known as the Badr Corps. The Badr Corps is a militia that has not yet challenged the U.S., but it is run by SCIRI (the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq), which is known to have close ties to the Iranian regime.

Ansar al-Islam. Not enough attention has been given to the established ties between Iran and Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish al Qaeda affiliate. Before the war, Iran allowed Ansar al-Islam to operate openly along its borders in the extreme northeast mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan, just shy of the Iranian border. Kurdish intelligence, with corroboration from imprisoned Ansar fighters, has established that Iran provided logistical support to the group by allowing the flow of goods and weapons. During periods of conflict with Kurdish militia units, the Peshmerga, Iran further provided a safe haven for these Islamist fighters. One Turkish newspaper also notes that Ansar al-Islam militants actually checked cars going into Iran (rather than coming into their stronghold), indicating close security coordination with the Islamic Republic. When the U.S. struck the Ansar al-Islam enclave in March 2003, Iran permitted many Kurdish fighters to flee across the border. They were later assisted back over the border — with the help of Iran's Revolutionary Guards — so that they could fight against American soldiers in the heart of Iraq. Kurdish intelligence has since intercepted between three and ten foreign fighters crossing Iranian border each week.

Moqtada al-Sadr. Iran sent a delegation to Iraq in mid-April to mediate between the rogue cleric and the U.S. administration. However, at the same time, Hassan Kazemi Qumi, an Iranian agent, has been supporting al-Sadr's anti-American efforts. A source from ash-Sharq al-Awsat estimates that Iran may have provided al-Sadr some $80 million in recent months. Further, Sadr's Mahdi army may now be getting training from Hezbollah, according to new intelligence reports. One Iranian source told ash-Sharq al-Awsat that Iran created three training camps along the Iran-Iraq border to train fighters from Sadr's militia.

In sum, Iran may be spending up to $70 million per month in Iraq. This pales in comparison to the billions spent by the U.S. Still, it is enough to undermine U.S. efforts. As such, Washington needs not only to better patrol the Iranian border, but also to confront clandestine Iranian activity within Iraq itself. Failure to do so will only encourage Iran to redouble its efforts to destabilize Iraq.

— Jonathan Schanzer recently took part in a 12-day fact-finding mission to Iraq, sponsored by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

http://nationalreview.com/comment/schanzer200405100900.asp
17 posted on 05/10/2004 8:11:57 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Iran Says Has Evidence of Worse Abuses in Iraq

TEHRAN (BGNES)- Revolutionary Guards spokesman Brigadier Massoud Jazayeri said he would shortly make public the documents, which would show that the abuse of Iraqi prisoners was still taking place.

"There are documents obtained via a certain channel which show that this (abuse) has been practiced since long ago and is far worse than what has been leaked," Jazayeri told the ISNA students news agency.

"American officials, particularly the defense secretary (Donald Rumsfeld) have expressed their remorse about the incident. Nevertheless, such tortures are still taking place," he said.

The United States has been rocked in recent days by a series of graphic images showing prisoners being humiliated and mistreated.

Britain, Washington's main ally in the occupation, is also investigating reports its troops have abused Iraqi prisoners.

Jazayeri said it was clear that U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair had been fully aware of the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.

"Bush must be tried as the head of the American torturers in Iraq," he said.

Iran and the United States have been arch enemies since shortly after the 1979 Islamic revolution when radical Iranian students stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran and held 52 hostages for 444 days. /Reuters
/bnn/

http://www.bgnewsnet.com/story.php?sid=4953
18 posted on 05/10/2004 8:18:36 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
11 out of 18 posts are from you to you. Maybe nobody cares or buys it.
19 posted on 05/10/2004 8:22:53 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: DoctorZIn
"Most American’s are unaware that the Islamic Republic of Iran is NOT supported by the masses of Iranians today. Modern Iranians are among the most pro-American in the Middle East."

The LAST thing in the world the left-wing, anti-American media wants is a successful overthrow of the Ayatollahs in Iran by a popular revolution. It might just look as though Bush's intervention in Iraq was a good thing.

Besides, they would rather see the Iranian people suffer under a regime that oppresses its people than witness that regime replaced by one which might look more favorably upon the nation they detest so much, i.e. the United States.
20 posted on 05/10/2004 8:34:57 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: wtc911
What's your problem? Bored?
21 posted on 05/10/2004 8:44:30 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: wtc911
"Maybe nobody cares or buys it."

I Do. From your name, you should care too.

btw>I would think the self posts have something to do with not pinging people all day long and sending them in a group.
22 posted on 05/10/2004 8:53:30 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid
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To: nuconvert
What's your problem?

Tired of FR being used for propaganda by islamic countries like Iran and Turkey. If Iranians are as pro-USA as you guys profess then where are the visible signs of support? Why is the FBI and similar agencies having near zero success in recruiting culture experts from within your ranks?

These vanity posts are about soliciting American support for a free Iran, not the reverse.

23 posted on 05/10/2004 9:25:59 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: wtc911
Where to begin? .... How about the President?

"In Iran, the desire for freedom is stirring. In the face of harsh repression, Iranians are courageously speaking out for democracy and the rule of law and human rights. And the United States strongly supports their aspirations for freedom..." (President Bush, May/'03)

More?

President Bush Speaks to the People of Iran
Radio Address by the President to the People of Iran on Radio Farda

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021220-7.html

How about Sen. Brownback?

Senator Brownback (R-KS) speech on Iran

"Some of my colleagues may be surprised to learn, as I was, that there has evolved a great change in Iran which has slowly taken place over the last several years. Many of us only hear about Iran in the news when Western media show violent protests - and the burning of the American flag surrounded by chants of "Death to America."

But my friends, that is exactly what the brutal regime in control of Iran wants you to think. The fact is, the overwhelming majority of Iranians today are strongly pro-American.

After Sept. 11th, the Iranian people took to the streets holding impromptu candlelight vigils in solidarity with the American people. As you can imagine, such action was highly embarrassing to the ruling mullahs - and harsh crackdowns were ordered, people were again imprisoned and tortured. What does it say to us that Iranians KNEW this would be the consequence of their action - and they did it anyway.

Contrast these scenes with the images that came from other nearby countries on that day, who are supposedly our allies - images that celebrated the destruction that came to our country on Sept. 11th. How can we fight a war on terrorism where we engage our enemies and ignore our friends? If we coddle the Iranian regime one iota, that is what we will be doing!! "
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/907547/posts
(this is one part of a number of speeches Sen. Brownback has made on Iran....Please see his site for much more....
http://brownback.senate.gov/

How about an Iranian?
Out of Misery, Hope: An open letter to President George W. Bush [from Iran]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1059622/posts

How about some Iranian-Americans? And Freepers?

Iranian-Americans, USC CRs, L.A. FReepers join forces to greet President Bush at Shrine Auditorium

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1090303/posts

How about another Iranian? (posted here on FR last summer)

"I have never walked on your flag, I have never burnt it.
I said once, they painted your sacred flag on the entry of the campus I go! I swear I have never walked on it, I jumped over in winter on ice, in fall in rainy days, in summer.
What or who forced me to jump? you? your government? your movies? your culture? I doubt, it was me, my mind!
The respect you pay to your flag forced me to do so.
I hung one flag of the USA and one former flag of Iran on the wall of my room.
I just hoped that you understand this kind of feeling and I should say, this is not inside me only, I know many people here who act the same as I do."

More?

"President Bush has the support of Iranian people"

In a recent poll conducted in Iran and reported by usually reliable sources, three-quarters of the Iranian public opinion are supportive of President Bush and his plans for Iraq. Mr. Nima Rashedan, an Iranian journalist and commentator reports in his dedicated column (www.gooya.com) that the public in Iran is more supportive of and eager about the start of the war than people in Washington, D.C. or in Tel Aviv!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/865645/posts


US Iranians march in California support of our President(Feb.'03)

"As a show of their solidarity with the United States, marchers leading the procession carried a large portrait of the Columbia astronauts and three huge American flags."

I could go on and on......And what "vanity posts" are you talking about? This Thread deals primarily in News posts, with very little comment.
You're entitled to your opinion. Please remember....Overthrowing the Iranian regime is essential to winning the War on Terrorism. That's the goal of President Bush and this administration.
Whether you want to accept the facts as to which side the Iranian people are on or not, Iran is critical to the President's plan.
24 posted on 05/10/2004 10:41:54 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
In all endeavours talk is cheap. Actions speak for themselves. All I see is chatter.
25 posted on 05/10/2004 10:57:18 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: wtc911
I am tired of Iranian propaganda myself. That is one of the reasons I publish this thread.

But before charging us with being part of an Iranian propaganda effort, you ought to read the posts.

See the list of threads below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~doctorzin/

We have published extensive evidence of the Iranian people's pro USA stance in these threads.

Ignoring the developments in Iran led to our present war on terror.

It is time to do all we can to support the Iranian people in their struggle against the Islamofasist Mullahs, before its too late.
26 posted on 05/10/2004 11:01:55 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: wtc911
Not chatter.....words from the President (unless you consider that chatter), News from different media sources, and photos. Sorry I can't provide a trip to Iran for you to witness their pro-America feelings myself.
27 posted on 05/10/2004 11:06:00 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: DoctorZIn; nuconvert
Neither of you address my concern that there is almost no cooperation with our various LEOs in the WOT from iranians, here or there. I frankly find this on-going posting of "free Iran" tomes and then twisting the thrust of them to try to make it appear to be Iranian support for the US WOT disingenuous.

As for FP statements by POTUS, any observer knows the practicality of politically motivated dissembling, witness our praise of the Saudis. This is nothing more than political PR.

28 posted on 05/10/2004 11:19:20 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: wtc911
"Neither of you address my concern that there is almost no cooperation with our various LEOs in the WOT from iranians, here or there."

How do you know this? If covert operations were going on, they wouldn't covert if we all knew, would they?

Since when are news articles and editorials by poiticians, historians, mideast experts and Washington insiders considered "tomes"?


29 posted on 05/10/2004 11:26:59 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: wtc911
11 out of 18 posts are from you to you. Maybe nobody cares or buys it.

Nope. There are some of us who mostly just read the Iran Live Thread. It's handy having but one thread to check each day.

30 posted on 05/10/2004 11:47:39 AM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: day
 Welcome to FreeRepublic 

31 posted on 05/10/2004 11:49:24 AM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
btw>I would think the self posts have something to do with not pinging people all day long and sending them in a group

Agreed! I'd drop off this ping list in a flash if I were pinged to every posting.

32 posted on 05/10/2004 11:54:35 AM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: wtc911
Why is the FBI and similar agencies having near zero success in recruiting culture experts from within your ranks?

Do you have a source for this, please? I had not known of it. Perhaps my wife, who lived in Iran and speaks Farsi, should think about applying again.

33 posted on 05/10/2004 12:01:45 PM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Eala
I'm former LEO and my current work puts me in contact with various local and federal WOT TF components. It is they who complain about the lack of assistance from that community.

If your wife is truly interested she should call directly to the SAIC in the nearest FBI offices.

34 posted on 05/10/2004 12:40:33 PM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: nuconvert
See my post above for how I know this, and I did not mention speculative covert ops which are not within the scope of domestic LEOs. It is translators and cultural insiders they need and are not getting from that community.

You and your friends seem much more concerned with US help for Iran than with the lack Iranian-in-America help in our war.

35 posted on 05/10/2004 12:45:36 PM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: Eala
Nope. There are some of us who mostly just read the Iran Live Thread. It's handy having but one thread to check each day.....

And do they all have the iranian flag on their home pages as you do? Kinda helps the rest of us understand your perspective.

36 posted on 05/10/2004 12:49:09 PM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: wtc911
"You and your friends seem much more concerned with US help for Iran than with the lack Iranian-in-America help in our war."

How do you know they aren't getting it?
I'm telling you you're wrong.

This is really a foolish argument.
You started off complaining about how DocotorZIn did his posting (like that's some kind of an issue), and insinuating that no one cared or was interested in Iran,(which is ignorant and just your opinion), then said Iranians were not pro-American (which is just factually untrue), said this thread was full of vanity posts,(which it's not), then accused Iranians and FReepers of not doing anything to help the U.S. (And you have absolutely NO proof, unless you've uncovered everyone's identity and investigated everyone, in which case you'd find that to be untrue),then went on to say that any proof given was just "chatter" .....

I don't have time to argue foolishness.
37 posted on 05/10/2004 1:18:53 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
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Let's see, associates I've known for years in local and federal law enforcement tell me they're seeing no cooperation from your community but you, an anonymous propogandist on the internet, assure me that my sources are wrong, Iranians are actually helping us. Ok, I guess I'll take your word for it.

38 posted on 05/10/2004 2:23:22 PM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: wtc911; LibreOuMort
And do they all have the iranian flag on their home pages as you do? Kinda helps the rest of us understand your perspective.

You know, I have no idea if they sport Iranian flags on their home pages. Haven't gone and read them -- except F14 Pilot's, I think, by invitation. Mine is there for a purpose.

But you say, "the Iranian flag." There is more than one. Surely you know what the different Iranian flags represent, and why the one is posted there.

As far as the FBI or whomever, well, she never heard from them. Standing rule: if it's that big, bureaucratic and buried... back away! You really don't want any part of it.

39 posted on 05/10/2004 3:42:23 PM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: wtc911
Anything wrong with Freepers who have the Israeli flag on their home page?
40 posted on 05/10/2004 4:17:05 PM PDT by Brooklyn Kid
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To: wtc911
We have many friends in law enforcement.

In addition we know many Iranians who have offered their services to fight the war on terror, including many in Iraq right now.

41 posted on 05/10/2004 4:32:09 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
A U.N. Whitewash for Iran

May 10, 2004
The Washington Times
Editorials/Op-Ed

One of Sen. John Kerry's central foreign policy complaints is that President Bush has refused to give the United Nations more responsibility in Iraq. But Mr. Bush has good reason to be wary because the United Nations has become a dysfunctional institution.

One example that deserves more attention than it has received to date is that of the United Nations High Commission for Human Rights (UNHCHR). On Tuesday, the United States walked out to protest a decision by the United Nations Economic and Social Council to give Sudan, one of the world's worst human-rights violators, a third term on the UNHCHR. Last month, the commission backed a resolution submitted by European countries calling for a death-penalty moratorium — an implicit slap at the United States. Members passed five resolutions condemning Israel and took several hours out of their busy schedule to mourn the assassination of Hamas terrorist boss Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

But when it came to the Iranian government's brutal treatment of its own citizens, the UNHCHR stood mute. At this year's session, which concluded in Geneva late last month, the organization declined to rebuke the Iranian government for violating human rights, despite a large body of evidence that it has engaged in summary executions, torture, and arbitrary arrests and detention.

In January, U.N. special investigator Ambeyi Ligabo, a Kenyan diplomat, issued a report documenting the cases of journalists and intellectuals who have received severe punishment for criticizing the Islamist government and clerical leadership that controls the country. Mr. Ligabo noted the case of Hashem Aghajari, a history professor in Tehran, who was arrested in August 2002 for a speech given two months earlier titled "Islamic Protestantism." Last November, Mr. Aghajari was sentenced to 74 lashes and death on charges of insulting Islam, apostasy and heresy. A journalist named Abbas Abdi was sentenced to eight years in jail after his November 2002 arrest following publication of a poll indicating that Iranians overwhelmingly support a resumption of relations with the United States. Journalist and film historian Siamak Pourzand, 75, has been chained to his bed at Modares Hospital in Tehran. Mr. Pourzand, who is barely able to walk following a March heart attack, is in jail for "undermining state security" by consorting with "monarchists and counterrevolutionaries."

But even though Mr. Ligabo documented these and other cases in his report, the UNHCHR has ignored his findings and refused to condemn the Iranian government. Given the abysmal performance of U.N. institutions like the Human Rights Commission in advancing the cause of freedom in places like Iran, why is Mr. Kerry so confident that they'll function any better in Iraq?

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040509-103920-1079r.htm
42 posted on 05/10/2004 4:33:55 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Austria's Haider, Vice Chancellor In Iran For Trade Talks [Excerpt]

May 10, 2004
Dow Jones Newswires
The Associated Press

VIENNA -- Austrian rightist Joerg Haider and Vice Chancellor Hubert Gorbach, a senior member of the ultraconservative Freedom Party, were heading to Iran Monday for meetings with Iranian leaders.

The visit by Gorbach and Haider, the governor of the Austrian province of Carinthia and a former Freedom Party leader, comes three weeks after the pair visited Libya.

Gorbach was to meet with Iran's minister of transportation, Ahmad Khorram, and also planned to meet with Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, Austrian media said. Gorbach and Haider were leading a 45-member delegation of Austrian businessmen hoping to explore trade possibilities in Iran, with the focus on helping Iran improve its roadway system.

The delegation said Austria, as a small, politically neutral country, was in a unique position to capitalize on Iran's desires to cement closer ties to Europe.

http://framehosting.dowjonesnews.com/sample/samplestory.asp?StoryID=2004051007420010&Take=1
43 posted on 05/10/2004 4:35:29 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Iran Critic Faces Death Penalty

May 10, 2004
BBC News
BBCi

The death sentence imposed on liberal Iranian academic Hashem Aghajari has been confirmed, his lawyer has said. Saleh Nikbakht says he has been officially told of the re-imposition of the death penalty originally passed on his client in 2002.

Mr Aghajari was charged with blasphemy for saying that Muslims should not blindly follow religious leaders.

The Supreme Court later annulled the sentence and sent the case back to the provincial court for review.

The provincial court, in the western city of Hamedan where Mr Aghajari made his comments, re-imposed the death penalty earlier in May.

Mr Nikbakht was quoted by the Iranian news agency as saying that the judge in the case had failed to clear any of the shortcomings pointed out by the Supreme Court.

He said that his client refuses to appeal, in protest at the re-imposition of the sentence.

Protests

The original imposition of the death sentence prompted protests by students and the intervention of influential reformists, including the Iranian president, Mohammad Khatami.

Mr Aghajari is currently being held in Evin prison in Tehran, where he is serving a four-year sentence imposed in place of the death penalty by the Supreme Court.

Mr Aghajari, a history professor at a Tehran college, made a speech in August 2002, which was a seen as an attack on the country's Islamic establishment and the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Akbar Khamenei.

He said that Muslims were not "monkeys" and "should not blindly follow" the clerics.

As well as the death sentence for apostasy and insulting the early imams, he received further sentences of a 10-year ban on teaching, eight years in jail and 74 lashes for lesser offences.

After student protests, Ayatollah Khamenei was forced to step in and order a review of his verdict.

Hashem Aghajari is a war veteran who lost a leg in the 1980-88 war with Iraq. He belongs to a left-wing reformist political group, the Islamic Revolutionary Mujahidin Organisation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3699961.stm
44 posted on 05/10/2004 4:36:38 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Iran Denies Illegal Meetings at Embassy in Kuwait

May 10, 2004
AFP
Khaleej Times

KUWAIT CITY -- Iran’s embassy did not host meetings between Iranian officials and Kuwaiti Muslim Shiite representatives, Teheran’s charge d’affaires said here Monday, adding that the ”misunderstanding” was over.

“We strongly deny these reports... It had not taken place at all. We respect Kuwait’s sovereignty and have no plans to interfere in Kuwait’s internal affairs,” Abulkassem Shaashae told AFP.

He was summoned by the emirate’s foreign ministry on Sunday to hear a protest over such meetings, reported to have involved envoys from Iranian supreme religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Ministry undersecretary Khaled al-Jarallah demanded “an explanation from Iranian authorities over these contacts which Kuwait believes do not serve the friendly relations between the two neighbours.”

“He asked me to convey (the protest) to authorities in Tehran and I did. I am waiting for a response,” Shaashae said.

Local newspapers have reported that the meetings with Kuwaiti Shiite politicians, which took place several months ago, focused on patching up “serious” disputes between various Shiite factions.

But Shaashae said all the Iranian officials arrived in Kuwait after obtaining visas from the Kuwaiti embassy in Tehran and were received as VIPs in the emirate.

Iranian ambassador Jaafar Musawi, who is currently outside Kuwait, hosted a dinner banquet in their honour, with several Kuwaiti personalities, and the function was not secret, Shaashae said.

“We never had secret visits. I believe the issue is over because we never had any intention to interfere in Kuwait. The issue is over because our position is very clear and have nothing to hide,” he added.

The reports claimed that senior members of the National Islamic Alliance, a political group with alleged ties to the international fundamentalist Shiite group Hezbollah, took part in the meetings.

But the alliance categorically denied in a statement Sunday that any of its members had taken part.

Shiites make up about one third of Kuwait’s indigenous population of 900,000. Their ancestors hailed from Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2004/May/middleeast_May276.xml&section=middleeast&col=
45 posted on 05/10/2004 4:48:24 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Federal Reserve Fines UBS $100 Million

May 10, 2004
The Associated Press
Yahoo News

WASHINGTON - The Federal Reserve fined Switzerland's largest bank, UBS AG, $100 million Monday for allegedly sending dollars to Cuba, Libya, Iran and Yugoslavia in violation of U.S. sanctions against those countries.

UBS operated a trading center for dollars in its Zurich headquarters under contract with the Federal Reserve of New York, to help the circulation of new U.S. notes and the retirement of old ones. A condition for the Swiss bank was not to deliver or accept dollar notes through the depot to or from banks in countries under U.S. trade sanctions.

In an announcement, the Fed said that UBS had violated the agreement and that some former officers and employees of the bank, whom it did not name, intentionally concealed the transactions by falsifying UBS' monthly reports to the U.S. central bank. The individuals were not part of the order issued Monday by the Fed, in which UBS agreed to pay a $100 million civil fine without admitting to the allegations.

The bank said Monday that some employees have been dismissed and disciplinary measures were taken against others. employees.

The Swiss Federal Banking Commission has reprimanded UBS and will inspect its operations to ensure that corrective actions are effective, the bank said.

"UBS recognizes that very serious mistakes were made, accepts the sanctions and expresses its regret," the bank said in a statement. "It has already instituted corrective and disciplinary measures and has decided to exit the international banknote trading business."

The New York Fed terminated its contract with UBS last October.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1203&e=1&u=/ap/20040510/ap_on_bi_ge/fed_ubs_fined&sid=95609868
46 posted on 05/10/2004 4:49:11 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
U.S. Resolution Highlights Standoff Over Iran

May 10, 2004
The Media Line
Stephen Foye

The never-ending confrontation between Washington and Moscow over Russia's nuclear cooperation with Iran was back in the news last week following the approval by the U.S. Congress of a resolution condemning Iran's nuclear program. The document, passed on May 6 by an overwhelming 376-3 vote, accused Iran of "continuing deceptions and falsehoods" involving the development of nuclear weapons. In addition to urging Europe and Japan to cut commercial and energy ties with Iran, the resolution called on Russia "to suspend its nuclear cooperation with Iran and refrain from making an agreement on supply of nuclear fuel to the reactor in Bushehr" until Iran halts "finally and verifiably all activities designed to ensure creation of its own nuclear arsenal" (AP, May 6; Pravda.ru, May 7).

Russia's Atomic Energy Ministry (which is to be reorganized as the Federal Atomic Energy Agency) reacted sharply to the U.S. resolution. One ministry spokesman said on May 7 that "We see no reason why we should end our nuclear energy cooperation with Iran." He insisted that "Moscow will fulfill its obligations to Tehran to the end." Another ministry representative said on the same day that Iran is in full compliance with demands laid down by the International Atomic Energy Agency and that Moscow's own nuclear activities in Iran likewise conform to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. "Russia has international obligations," the representative added, "and to discontinue nuclear cooperation with Iran without any legal basis or in the absence…of a decision by the IAEA or the UN Security Council would be illegal" (AFP, Russian Agencies, May 7).

On the same day, a high-ranking Iranian government official was quoted in Tehran as saying that Iran wants to team up with Russia and European countries to produce enriched uranium as fuel for nuclear power reactors. Hossein Mousavian, the secretary of the foreign policy committee of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, said that "We could…start talking about setting up a consortium, which would include European countries and Russia, to work together on this program." He suggested that a joint effort of this sort would help to remove fears that Iran is seeking to develop nuclear weapons. (Reuters, May 7).

The resolution passed by U.S. lawmakers and the comments made in Moscow and Tehran come as the international battle over Iran's nuclear program approaches a crucial juncture. Later this month Iran is to make a declaration of its nuclear-related activities to the IAEA, and the agency's director general, Mohamed ElBaradei, will follow that up with a report on Tehran's progress. The key event is a June meeting of the IAEA Board of Governors, but analysts are suggesting that the June meeting could prove a disappointment for both Tehran and Washington. They say that the Iranian government is unlikely to get what it wants - that is, removal of the issue of its nuclear activities from the IAEA's agenda - while the United States may be unable to provide sufficient proof of Iran's noncompliance with its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would frustrate Washington's hopes of getting the issue transferred to the UN Security Council (Arms Control Today, May, 2004; AFP, May 6; Reuters, May 7).

Moscow's role in this drama will likely become clearer later this week, when the Russian government is scheduled to host a visit by a high-ranking Iranian delegation. Russian-Iranian nuclear cooperation has been a regular irritant in relations between Washington and Moscow since the mid-1990s, and the May 6 U.S. Congress resolution is but the most recent manifestation of American efforts to get Russia to terminate the US million dollar nuclear project (some Russian sources put the value at more than US billion) at the Bushehr site.

Late last year there were hints that Russia might be prepared to seek an accommodation of some sort with Washington on the issue (RFE/RL, September 26, AP, November 6, 2003). But positions on both sides seem to have hardened since that time as bilateral relations more generally have turned chilly. And Moscow probably has less incentive now to cooperate with Washington: The post-September 11 rapprochement between the two countries is mostly a thing of the past and, against a background of mounting U.S. difficulties in Iraq and Arab outrage over Washington's backing for Israel, Moscow increasingly has reasons to seek better relations with the Arab world.




Stephen Foye is with the Jamestown Foundation.

http://themedialine.org/news/News_detail.asp?NewsID=5813
47 posted on 05/10/2004 4:51:33 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Eurotwit
Aghajari pong
48 posted on 05/10/2004 5:01:38 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: wtc911
"Let's see, associates I've known for years in local and federal law enforcement tell me they're seeing no cooperation from your community but you, an anonymous propogandist on the internet, assure me that my sources are wrong, Iranians are actually helping us. Ok, I guess I'll take your word for it."

I have a better idea. Since you do not like this thread, why don't you just create your own and use quotes from all of those people that you know. You can give dates on what they said and when so that others will know how current those opinions are.

In the meantime, leave the rest of us alone.
49 posted on 05/10/2004 5:03:19 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: wtc911
Doc generally pings us to the start of the daily thread. He posts the articles of the day. It is much easier to only receive one ping and then check back on the thread later... rather than being pinged to approximately fifteen different posts a day.
50 posted on 05/10/2004 5:16:48 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Personality can open doors, but only character can keep them open. --Elmer G. Letterman)
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