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Seven killed in SUV crash (Vehicle of death alert)
AP ^ | Monday, May 10, 2004

Posted on 05/11/2004 10:01:19 AM PDT by presidio9

A rented SUV was speeding at more than 90 mph when it clipped a car it was trying to pass and veered out of control, killing seven people inside, including four young children, authorities said.

The Ford Explorer went airborne, slammed into trees in the median of Interstate 95 and landed on its roof. The accident happened Sunday about 10 miles west of Bangor in south-central Maine.

Two women and a child died when they were thrown from the SUV, while its other four occupants -- a woman and three children -- died inside. Troopers initially thought five people died, but two additional bodies were found when the SUV was lifted, authorities said.

The victims were from South Portland, and four of the children were 8 or younger, said Stephen McCausland, a spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety.

Killed were Kelley Armstrong, 28, and her 4-year-old son; Danielle St. Paulin, 29, and her three children; and Hope Gagnon, 29. St. Paulin's children ranged in age from 4 to 8.

The Explorer was rented from Hertz at the Portland International Jet Port earlier in the day.

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1 posted on 05/11/2004 10:01:20 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
It's sad.

It's also disgusting to see the left continually use the deaths of people to further their agenda. Why else would we continually see articles such as this implicate the vehicle as the perpetrator of such accidents?
2 posted on 05/11/2004 10:04:03 AM PDT by kenth
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To: presidio9
These SUVs seem to have minds of their own!
3 posted on 05/11/2004 10:04:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: presidio9
Another one of those 'wild and crazy' SUV's.

No mention of a driver - thank god nobody was driving it when it went wild - would have been another casualty. /sarcasm

4 posted on 05/11/2004 10:04:38 AM PDT by GaltMeister (This is not my tagline. My family has it. The tagline belongs to my family.)
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To: presidio9
At a speed in excess of 90 miles per hour, any vehicle would have suffered the same consequences. Why bother to even mention the term 'SUV'?
5 posted on 05/11/2004 10:06:40 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: presidio9
I saw this on Foxnews last night. Witnesses said the driver was driving on the emergency lane at 90+.
6 posted on 05/11/2004 10:07:31 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Confused yet?)
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To: kenth
This accident happened in Maine. CNN has it on their national news front page. I said a prayer for this family, but I can't help wondering whether they would have survived if they were traveling in a car. But then CNN would presumably not considered this to be a major news story. Seems to me that the 90mph speed was the main contributor to their deaths.
7 posted on 05/11/2004 10:07:40 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
CNN. Consider the source.
8 posted on 05/11/2004 10:08:48 AM PDT by GungaLaGunga
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To: presidio9
I have had 5 SUVs in my life, I have never driven that fast in one. I am not comfortable in an SUV at near that speed.
9 posted on 05/11/2004 10:09:31 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Confused yet?)
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To: Rummyfan
The reason of SUV drivers cruising at a high speed is because the drivers sit HIGH above the road. They have a distorted impression of their speed. There is no 'ground effect' as in a low sports car.

And besides that they feel invulnerable.
10 posted on 05/11/2004 10:09:52 AM PDT by traumer
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To: TommyDale
And you don't get thrown from a vehicle if you're wearing a belt, either.
11 posted on 05/11/2004 10:10:02 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: presidio9
>A rented SUV was speeding at more than 90 mph when it veered out of control, killing seven people inside, including four young children, authorities said.<

Well, I guess it did, seeing that the dang fool driving it was SPEEDING at 90 MPH!!!!!

Liberals, gotta love 'em.

12 posted on 05/11/2004 10:10:40 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: SeeRushToldU_So
Witnesses said the driver was driving on the emergency lane at 90+.

On a suspended license.

13 posted on 05/11/2004 10:13:06 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: traumer
Helloooo!

The reason 7 were killed in an SUV is that there's no passenger car sold today that will HOLD 7 people!

You want to pin responsibility on someone? Other than the fool driving 90 with a car load of kids?

Try blaming the Congress that passed CAFE, thus sentencing Americans with families to buy trucks to transport them in.
14 posted on 05/11/2004 10:13:30 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: presidio9
90mph?
some real irresponsible adults with 4 children in their care!
15 posted on 05/11/2004 10:14:16 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: presidio9
It is a simple fact that in accidents involving SUV's the mortality rate is higher both for those in the SUV and for those in the other vehicles. No amount of spin will change that fact. SUV's flip when a minivan or car would not.

I know this from personal experience. Last summer on I-20 coming home to Texas from Georgia I was in a minivan with 3 friends. I was driving, and I was passing a truck at about 75 with cruise control on. He decided to move over quickly and without warning when we were halfway past him. He hit us and knocked us into the median, the airbag went off and I lost control of the vehicle. We made an almost 90 degree left turn, crossed the median and the other side of the highway, and slammed into the upsloping ground on the other side. The van was totaled, but the worst injury any of us had was some glass embedded in one persons arm. If we had been in an SUV, it would have flipped and we would be dead now.

Unless you are doing real farm work, in which case you would have a truck, or are going off road, there is nothing that an SUV does that a minivan doesn't do better. If you want to drive an SUV, that is fine, there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, and I am not proposing that the goverment do anything about it. Next time we have to make nice to Saudi Arabia you will know why.


16 posted on 05/11/2004 10:15:44 AM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: presidio9
The driver was the cause of this accident. The reports I have seen said the speeding vehicle tried to pass 2 other vehicles (1 in each lane, travel & passing) using the 'break down' lane. The speeding vehicle in the break down lane swerved into one of the other cars and lost control. Poor, really poor driver judgement caused this tradgedy. I wonder if the driver had any experience with an SUV prior to renting this one.
18 posted on 05/11/2004 10:23:04 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: Darnright
This woman had no license (she had lost it because of violations), was driving 90 mph passing 2 cars on the right hand side (breakdown lane), clipped one of the cars which was legally in the left lane passing the other vehicle in the right lane, and lost control. There were no child seats in the vehicle, only 2 of the people were in a seatbelt, and in the article I read, she had a great love of race car driving. Of course, it could have been worse. The car she clipped was not damaged, and the driver of that car was not injured. She was a stupid, stupid driver...
19 posted on 05/11/2004 10:24:42 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: traumer
That's why soda can drivers drive too slow, they have a distorted impression of their lack of speed. Besides, they feel self righteous in their feeling of vulnerability.
20 posted on 05/11/2004 10:26:25 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: LonghornFreeper
Try that maneuver in a prius.
21 posted on 05/11/2004 10:29:16 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Rummyfan
These SUVs seem to have minds of their own!

Yep. Just like those evil guns that cause people to go mad and start shooting people.

22 posted on 05/11/2004 10:31:06 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: traumer
The reason of SUV drivers cruising at a high speed is because the drivers sit HIGH above the road. They have a distorted impression of their speed. There is no 'ground effect' as in a low sports car.

And besides that they feel invulnerable.

I drive an SUV, and I don't feel that way. I'm very aware of how differently the car handles at higher speeds and adjust accordingly. And I generally try to avoid clipping cars doing 90 mph. Not to mention making sure everyone is buckled up and not overloading the vehicle.

But that's just me.

23 posted on 05/11/2004 10:36:02 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: presidio9
Why was the driver going 90mph? I don't think that' legal anywhere in the US.
24 posted on 05/11/2004 10:38:44 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
I wonder how she was able to rent a vehicle...or did her friends sign for it and (using bad judgment) allow her to operate it. I wonder if they ALL would have been belted in, if there would have been any survivors? Of course, when you hit trees, that's even more devastating.
25 posted on 05/11/2004 10:41:01 AM PDT by giznort
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To: LonghornFreeper
there is nothing that an SUV does that a minivan doesn't do better.

Can your minivan comfortably transport three kayaks, two motorcycles, a teenager, and four cats from Southern California to Washington state via Lake Tahoe through the worst snow storm in several years?

I didn't think so!

26 posted on 05/11/2004 10:41:26 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: giznort
She didn't rent the vehicle - One of the other women in the car rented it.
27 posted on 05/11/2004 10:43:43 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Yeah, in Dallas they would give you a ticket for driving that slow :D
28 posted on 05/11/2004 10:44:21 AM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: presidio9
Unstable at high speed.
29 posted on 05/11/2004 10:47:12 AM PDT by biblewonk (No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.)
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To: kenth
Yep - evil SUV was speeding all by itself.
30 posted on 05/11/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by TheBattman (Leadership = http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: Darnright
You know, driving an unfamiliar vehicle at 90 mph on the shoulder is pretty dumb. In this case, had they been in a sedan, the driver may have been able to maintain control. The stopping distances and accident avoidance for an SUV at 90 mph is pretty much like trying to drive a supertanker through a whitewater rafting course.

That said, it is not the SUV's fault. It is the driver's responsibility to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of a vehicle and drive accordingly. It is the driver's responsibility to ensure that the passengers are belted and restrained. It is the driver's responsibility to not drive like a complete idiot.

If this driver had been in a Corvette, she'd have been doing 120 mph. She was driving as fast as the car would go. Well, news flash, bad things happen out on the limits of adhesion. At 90 mph in an SUV on the shoulder, bad things happen really fast.
31 posted on 05/11/2004 10:48:36 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: LonghornFreeper; traumer
You all are gonna love this: You guessed it, the SUV is just just another Tort Hoax. if it weren't for 2000, I'd hate Nader.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/04-12-01.html

http://www.cato.org/research/articles/taylor-030202.html

". Apparently, it's the pickups and minivans -- not the SUVs -- that are the problem. "

Keep that Mini-auschwitz-van away from me!
32 posted on 05/11/2004 10:51:16 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: LonghornFreeper
You are correct here. In our neighborhood it seems we all have a minivan. Even my next door neighbor who have no children have a van, for their dogs. Only one neighbor has a large SUV because his father-in-law is a dealer and sells them. Another neighbor bought a Chevy TrailBlazer for his wife at the start of winter to replace her minivan. She never did trade her van because the dealer offered so little for it. After a winter sliding around with the SUV (around here one sees SUVs off the road during every storm because the drivers think they are immune to the laws of physics) she wanted her van back. Well, her husband took the SUV off the road and it is now up for sale. Basically, the woman though the SUV wasn't as secure on the road as a van and status be damned, she wanted to be safe and secure. True story.
33 posted on 05/11/2004 10:52:15 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: hunter112
I saw this on FOX news last night and it just broke my heart. Some kids are put in seat belts when they are still too small to be restrained securely in them. I doubt that under the physics of this crash that a small child will remain secure in a belt if they are like 2 or 3 years old and only 25-30 lbs.

I would NEVER--I mean NEVER drive at that speed--- especially with little kids on board. They were all under the age of 7.
Mercy.
34 posted on 05/11/2004 10:53:48 AM PDT by two23
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To: presidio9
Did the SUV suffer from an abusive childhood?


another thought,


Will the rental car company be sued because a driver with suspended license was behind the wheel (not driving mind you, the SUV was at fault).
35 posted on 05/11/2004 10:56:11 AM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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To: bondjamesbond
It just isn't the same FR without that tagline, or Harpseal. I didn't even know the man, but I miss him.
36 posted on 05/11/2004 10:57:26 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: presidio9
Read about this in Boston papers. While it's sad it also was so unnecessary. She had no license, was going 90 mph, passing in the breakdown lane; most of the passengers were not belted in; there were no booster seats for the kids. Was she in a big hurry to meet her beau from the Internet? And what's with bringing 6 other people to what would normally be a one-on-one situation?

While the deaths are tragic, consider that so many things
contributed to this accident. I don't have an SUV but I'll bet anyone who drives one recklessly risks getting into an accident like this. Heard about one SUV rollover (with fatalities)in Boston awhile back--but they (teens and
young adults) were speeding and weaving in and out of lanes.

This was a brand new car (1,000 miles on it or so) and chances are it was made well. However, reckless driving
was ultimately what caused the deaths of these seven
people.
37 posted on 05/11/2004 11:05:06 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: pghkevin
>>a driver with suspended license was behind the wheel (not driving mind you, the SUV was at fault).

The woman who rented the car later let the unlicensed driver take over. I don't know if the renter (Hertz,
I think) asked, "Are you the only one to be driving this
vehicle?" or not but maybe she said "yes," not thinking that the unlicensed driver would later offer to
"relieve her" at the wheel. Word has it that it's Hertz's
policy to make sure there are child seats in any car they rent which will be used to transport kids (under 80 pounds). No idea if the seats weren't issued, or if they
were but were simply not being used.
38 posted on 05/11/2004 11:08:00 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: presidio9
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Shirley Adams' last conversation with her daughter was a short one.

Danielle Saint Paulin asked Adams to watch her children while she joined her friends on a spur-of-the-moment road trip to Fort Kent.

"I wished her a happy Mother's Day, and that was it," Adams recalled Monday. "I never thought I would have to bury my daughter."

By Sunday evening, Adams learned that Saint Paulin, 29, and her two close friends Kelley Armstrong, 28, and Hope Gagnon, 29, were dead. So were Armstrong's son and Gagnon's three children, all of them between the ages of 4 and 8 years old.

The news stunned relatives and friends of the three women and four children who died in a Mother's Day crash on Interstate 95 near Bangor. It also caused officials to interrupt classes Monday at South Portland's Dora L. Small Elementary School, which two of Gagnon's children attended.

Friends of the dead women gravitated to Adams' Salem Street home in Portland on Monday to comfort her and Saint Paulin's four children.

Saint Paulin and Gagnon met as teenagers in South Portland and were always visiting or talking on the phone, Adams said. Armstrong, who grew up in Cumberland, met them later when she moved to South Portland, and the three became best friends.

"They liked to chill" said Courtney VanDeventer, 13, one of Saint Paulin's daughters. "They weren't big partyers, but they liked to go out and hang out with friends."

Friends say Gagnon organized Sunday's trip. She had met a man over the Internet who lived in Fort Kent, and he invited her to come for a visit with her children, they said. She asked Armstrong and Saint Paulin to go along.

"They were just going up for the day," friend Michelle Sanga said. "They all decided to go up together."

Police did not confirm those details Monday. They said they did not know the reason for the trip or if Fort Kent was the destination. An investigation into the crash is ongoing.

According to Maine State Police, the three women rented a Ford Explorer just after noon Sunday, and filled it with Gagnon's children, Deion Stuart, 8, T'keyah "Tamisha" Stuart, 6, and Ariana Stuart, 4, and Armstrong's 4-year-old son, Kristian. Investigators later found McDonald's wrappers and Happy Meal boxes around the destroyed vehicle.

Armstrong originally planned to leave her son with a sitter, but decided to bring him so they could spend the day together, VanDeventer said. "I wanted to go too, but they wouldn't let me," she said.

VanDeventer stayed behind with her three siblings: Michael Coombs, 11, Anthony VanDeventer, 7, and Jaelee Saint Paulin, who had her first birthday in January. Danielle Saint Paulin's husband, Mackenzie, did not go on the trip and was not at Adams' house Monday.

"He needs some quiet time," Adams said. "It's hit him rough."

Kelley Armstrong was a graduate of Yarmouth High School and grew up in the Cumberland Center area, said longtime friend Janice Selig.

Selig described her as a wonderful mother whose son, Kristian, was the most important thing in her life. He was looking forward to kindergarten, and got a $5 bill under his pillow after losing his first tooth just last week, she said.

"She always treated her son just like a little person," Selig said. "She made him be a great kid."

Friends and relatives remembered Hope Gagnon as a popular, outgoing person who coached cheerleading one year at South Portland High School.

"She just loved everybody," said Kim Coon, who grew up with Gagnon and graduated with her in 1993. "She was in every clique."

Gagnon studied to be a transcriptionist at Husson College, but she took jobs that allowed her to work out of her home so she could be with her children, her family said. Most recently, she performed data entry and answered e-mails for Patriot Video, said her 16-year-old sister, Mandy Stuart.

She would take T'keyah to cheerleading practice with the Elite All-Stars, and had planned to coach Deion's soccer team last year - even though she didn't know how to play - until a more experienced parent volunteered.

"She was going to learn how to play," said family friend Dawn Donald.

Gagnon also looked after her two younger sisters. "When my mother passed away (in 2002), she's who I went to," said Anna Stuart, 22. "She was a good listener and helped me out."

Family members said they didn't know that Gagnon was planning a trip north. They said she didn't drive - instead getting around town mostly by cab or bus - and didn't travel far. When the weather was pleasant, they said, she would take her children to nearby Willard Beach.

At the elementary school attended by Gagnon's two oldest children, Deion and T'keyah, counselors from the Center for Grieving Children helped staff and students deal with the news.

Counselors visited each classroom, and met individually with students who sought their services, Principal Bonnie Hicks said. Staff contacted families whose children were close friends with either of the siblings.

It was the first year at the K-5 school for Deion, an athletic second-grader, and T'keyah, a bubbly first-grader. Family said they lived in Gorham, before Gagnon and Aaron Gagnon divorced. Despite being new to the school, the two children had many friends across grade levels, Hicks said.

Parent Jane Batzell said her 7-year-old son and his classmates grieved for Deion on Monday by expressing themselves with clay.

Batzell's son made a heart. Other students cut out the letters "D-E-I-O-N" and put it on his locker. "Most of the children cried. And he cried," Batzell said.

"The kids are very thoughtful, and care very deeply about what happened," Hicks said. "They're working through it."


39 posted on 05/11/2004 11:08:34 AM PDT by csvset
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To: raccoonradio
>>unnecessary

meaning preventable. She broke rules and laws and it cost 7 lives.
40 posted on 05/11/2004 11:09:59 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: csvset
>>She had met a man over the Internet who lived in Fort Kent

Good God that's WAY up there; it's the terminus of I-95.
Many, many hours from Bangor and Portland. Maybe she was in a big hurry to get there and was speeding. 90 mph!
41 posted on 05/11/2004 11:11:44 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
According to Yahoo Maps:
Leaving: Portland, ME
Arriving at: Fort Kent, ME

Distance: 313.4 miles
Approximate Travel Time: 6 hours 40 mins

She's taking 6 other people with her to meet this man,
over such a distance (and going 90 mph to try to get there
at a reasonable time)...it's like saying "OK everyone,
let's drive from Boston to Philadelphia so we can spend
a couple hours with this man I've talked to online..."
42 posted on 05/11/2004 11:14:17 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: presidio9
Chalk it up to another person who is clueless about lane change etiquette:

1) When changing lanes to the left, traffic in the lane to your left has the right-of-way. Wait for a safe opening.

2) When changing lanes to the right, you have the right of way, and traffic should yield to you. I think about 75% of traffic accidents are caused by nimrods who don't follow this rule, and try to speed up to to get ahead of cars signalling an intended lane change to the right.

3) (Corollary to rule 2) Never pass on the right. Exception: if a doofus in the fast lane is doing 50 - even then, be wary, for he's probably dumb enough to make a sudden, no-signal lane change just as you start to pass.

4) Change ONE lane at a time unless the road is empty. California drivers seem to love to stay in the fast lane until a quarter-mile from their exit, then make a majestic, four-lane swoop (often with no signal) to hit the offramp just in time. That causes another 20% of all accidents.

5) ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, use your turn signal. It is not optional.

Additional observations:

> Watch for the "flinch". I've noticed that cars who seem to make a slight jerk to one side within their lanes are about to make a late- or no-signal lane change.

> The dumbest drivers on the road are white women (usually with kids) in minivans or SUVs - they won't do risky things, but they will hesitate when faced with making quick decisions.

> The most dangerous drivers on the road are white or Asian men in new, low-end BMW's or Mercedes Benz's (probably leased). They think they are Jeff Gordon on the Autobahn.

> If you are a white male pedestrian, never step into the crosswalk when a black female bus driver is anywhere nearby. She will relish the opportunity to add your jogging shorts to her trophy case.

> Pedestrians in Berkeley, California pay absolutely no attention to traffic signals, crosswalks, or the rules of courtesy. You are "car scum" and are expected to stop and wait for them whenever they feel like crossing the street. This may be true in other leftist enclaves, too.

43 posted on 05/11/2004 11:18:23 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: presidio9
If my Tahoe ever does that. "I'll just die".
44 posted on 05/11/2004 11:25:27 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: raccoonradio
While the deaths are tragic, consider that so many things contributed to this accident. I don't have an SUV but I'll bet anyone who drives one recklessly risks getting into an accident like this.

Anyone that drives risks getting killed. The faster the vehicle is traveling, the greater the chances of dying, regardless of make or model of vehicle. She bought the farm for everyone due to her stupidity and ignorance. Most people out there are poor to average drivers at best, and 95 percent should never drive over 50 mph, as they have no idea how to regain control of a vehicle once they lose control. The faster the speed, the greater the chances of losing control.

Everyone on board that vehicle paid for her stupidity with their lives..

45 posted on 05/11/2004 11:27:52 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: TommyDale
Why bother to even mention the term 'SUV'?

It should be "Ford Explorer" up there instead of SUV. Many SUVs are fairly safe, but the Ford Explorer, like the old F-150, is a deathtrap in an accident like this. But to Ford's credit, they're fairly safe now after the recent redesign.

46 posted on 05/11/2004 11:40:11 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SandyInSeattle; LonghornFreeper
there is nothing that an SUV does that a minivan doesn't do better.

Can your minivan comfortably transport three kayaks, two motorcycles, a teenager, and four cats from Southern California to Washington state via Lake Tahoe through the worst snow storm in several years?

I didn't think so!


It amazes me how this issue fires people up. Relax. You have a good reason for having an SUV. And even if you didn't, even if you just wanted one, no one here is suggesting that you give yours up.
But, I do think the emphasis on SUVs is kind of crazy. I remember when Broncos and Blazers were just cheap trucks with a factory installed cap. No one wanted one of the darn things, they were work trucks. Now, everyone wants one. EVERYONE. My daughter, she's 19, wants a Silverado. Why? Does she have something to haul? No! It's big, and it's "cool".
Look at the points logically, and I think it makes sense. First, there are alternatives to SUVs, many that serve the driver better. Second, there are lots of people with questionable judgement. A questionable driver in a vehicle they aren't suited for can lead to trouble. Just as not everyone should ride a motorcycle. Third, an SUV does use more gas. It's your right to consume gas, but is it wise?
No, I don't favor regulating or banning SUVs, or motorcycles, or convertibles. But, it would be nice if we, as a people kind of woke up and realized that just because you drive the biggest SUV on the block doesn't mean you are cool, or better than your neighbors.
47 posted on 05/11/2004 11:41:05 AM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: presidio9
An SUV is not a car, it is a truck. If you don't normally drive one, it can take some getting used to. I rented an SUV on a trip last year, it's a LOT of vehicle (and I am used to driving a minivan.)
48 posted on 05/11/2004 11:44:34 AM PDT by Alouette (Lesson of "The Last Samurai"=Don't bring swords to a machine-gun fight)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
> The dumbest drivers on the road are white women (usually with kids) in minivans or SUVs - they won't do risky things, but they will hesitate when faced with making quick decisions.

Oh yah, and what the hell is it with driving onto an on ramp at 40mph, taking a lane on a freeway..and then accelerating. Or even better, treating a merge like a 1-way stop sign.

Plus-Idiots in Washington State tailgate each other on on ramps, then try to merge as a 200 foot long Conga Line. I think this is because Seattle is a latently gay..at best.

The most dangerous drivers on the road are white or Asian men in new, low-end BMW's or Mercedes Benz's (probably leased). They think they are Jeff Gordon on the Autobahn.

And always Pearl-essent Metallic white with gold accents. It's called DWA. Driving While Asian. Beware of the Beijing Blitz!

If you are a white male pedestrian, never step into the crosswalk when a black female bus driver is anywhere nearby. She will relish the opportunity to add your jogging shorts to her trophy case.

Holy Crap! Carpe Blanc?

Pedestrians in Berkeley, California pay absolutely no attention to traffic signals, crosswalks, or the rules of courtesy. You are "car scum" and are expected to stop and wait for them whenever they feel like crossing the street. This may be true in other leftist enclaves, too.

Oh yah, and letting their Earth Muffin Larva trail 30 feet behind them in the street, then yelling "SLOW DOWN" at passing cars traveling the legal speed.

49 posted on 05/11/2004 11:47:47 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: LonghornFreeper
my minivan got us to 200,000 miles, but that was because I put so much dang money into it that I felt I had to keep driving it....

three transmissions and an engine plus many other repairs.....

we sold it cheaply to a neighbor who also was a member of our church...we gave him the bare bones about the van, he bought it anyway, and the transmission went out on him in two weeks...(4 transmissions !).

I can barely look at him in church....

there might be some good minivans out there, but I personally have had it....

50 posted on 05/11/2004 11:55:50 AM PDT by cherry
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