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Seven killed in SUV crash (Vehicle of death alert)
AP ^ | Monday, May 10, 2004

Posted on 05/11/2004 10:01:19 AM PDT by presidio9

A rented SUV was speeding at more than 90 mph when it clipped a car it was trying to pass and veered out of control, killing seven people inside, including four young children, authorities said.

The Ford Explorer went airborne, slammed into trees in the median of Interstate 95 and landed on its roof. The accident happened Sunday about 10 miles west of Bangor in south-central Maine.

Two women and a child died when they were thrown from the SUV, while its other four occupants -- a woman and three children -- died inside. Troopers initially thought five people died, but two additional bodies were found when the SUV was lifted, authorities said.

The victims were from South Portland, and four of the children were 8 or younger, said Stephen McCausland, a spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety.

Killed were Kelley Armstrong, 28, and her 4-year-old son; Danielle St. Paulin, 29, and her three children; and Hope Gagnon, 29. St. Paulin's children ranged in age from 4 to 8.

The Explorer was rented from Hertz at the Portland International Jet Port earlier in the day.

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To: antiRepublicrat
"Many SUVs are fairly safe, but the Ford Explorer, like the old F-150, is a deathtrap in an accident like this."

I don't know of any vehicles (except NASCAR racing) that are designed to provide safety at 90+MPH. This is a case of driver negligence and stupidity, not an unsafe vehicle.

51 posted on 05/11/2004 11:58:59 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: brownsfan
I forgot my smiley face, sorry! :-)

It annoys me also that many people who drive SUVs do so for the "look". We see SUVs here that have never known mud or snow. At least ours works for a living, but around here most of them don't. They're just "urban assault vehicles" for pissed off soccer moms.

52 posted on 05/11/2004 11:59:05 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: TommyDale
This is a case of driver negligence and stupidity, not an unsafe vehicle.

No, that vehicle is just unsafe. At 40mph into a barrier those in the front sustain serious, possibly critical, injury, where in safer cars there would be little or no injury. The problem is that the cabin collapses onto the occupants, and depending on the year of the car, the door pops open to let the occupant's head through.

53 posted on 05/11/2004 12:03:34 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: LonghornFreeper
there is nothing that an SUV does that a minivan doesn't do better.

Exactly, I was at a Dodge dealership the other day pricing minivans. The salesman actually told me minivans were obsolete and tried to get me to look at SUVs. I went elsewhere, a minivan suits my needs. If I wanted a SUV I'd shop for one. Are all the dealerships pushing these things this way?
54 posted on 05/11/2004 12:50:46 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: traumer
The reason of SUV drivers cruising at a high speed is because the drivers sit HIGH above the road. They have a distorted impression of their speed. There is no 'ground effect' as in a low sports car.

And besides that they feel invulnerable.

You forgot to tell us what they had for breakfast. Since you obviously know everything else about SUV drivers why didn't you throw that in to really emphasize your point.

55 posted on 05/11/2004 12:58:29 PM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: presidio9
"A rented SUV was speeding at more than 90 mph when it clipped a car it was trying to pass and veered out of control, killing seven people inside, including four young children BEFORE TAKING IT'S OWN LIFE."
56 posted on 05/11/2004 1:00:20 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: antiRepublicrat
We are all aware that the Ford Explorer has its design problems, and safety problems. The point is, ANY vehicle that is out of control at over 90 MPH is unsafe! These people would likely have died if the driver were driving anything short of a Bradley Tank.
57 posted on 05/11/2004 2:00:12 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: two23
Some kids are put in seat belts when they are still too small to be restrained securely in them.

Yes, that may explain the child, but of the three people thrown from the vehicle, it was reported that two of them were women, and presumably of adult size.

If it were me, the only way I wouldn't be in a seat belt of a vehicle going 90, would be to try to jump out if the driver ever had to slow to 25! Clearly, the SUV part of this story is the least of it, it was the behavior of the occupants, particularly the driver, that turned this into a tragedy.

58 posted on 05/11/2004 2:21:41 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: presidio9

Malfunction ruled out in crash


Copyright © 2004 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.

Mechanical malfunction did not cause the high-speed crash Sunday that killed the seven occupants of a sport utility vehicle outside Bangor, police said Tuesday.

Investigators pried open the wreckage of the rented 2004 Ford Explorer and analyzed the car's components. They searched for any malfunction that could have contributed to one of the deadliest accidents in state history, which killed three women and four young children from South Portland. Police found no defects in the vehicle, which had been driven just 1,100 miles.

Police also discovered nothing to shed light on why the driver would have swerved into the breakdown lane while going more than 90 mph in an effort to pass two cars that were side-by-side on Interstate 95. There were no alcoholic beverages in the car. Two vials of medication recovered from the wreckage were prescribed to two of the women and would not have compromised their driving, police said.

"There are going to be a lot of questions we probably will never have an answer to," said Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland. "Why they were going so fast and why most of them were not belted are questions we will probably never know the answer to."

The three women set out after lunch on Mother's Day, having told friends they were planning a day trip to Fort Kent to meet a man that one of them had been communicating with over the Internet. That woman, Hope Stuart Gagnon, 29, had her three children with her: Deion Stuart, 8; T'keyah Stuart, 6; and Ariana Stuart, 4. Kelley Armstrong, 28, brought her 4-year-old son, Kristian Armstrong-Smith.

Danielle Saint Paulin, 29, came by herself. She had considered bringing her 13-year old daughter but decided against it.

Investigators found nothing in the car to indicate where the women were headed.

"We're going to give the vehicle one more good going-over (today) to make sure nothing anywhere would give us a clue where they were going to or coming from," said Lt. Wesley Hussey. "As of right now, we have nothing."

Police believe Gagnon was driving when the Explorer came up quickly behind two cars and swerved abruptly into the narrow shoulder along the right side of the interstate. As the Explorer pulled even with Nikki Yawn's 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee they bumped lightly, barely creasing a flange over the Cherokee's front right tire.

But investigators suspect that contact was enough, combined with the narrow breakdown lane and the rumble strip, to make the Explorer carom right, then swerve left as the driver overcorrected.

A series of black skid marks stretched across the two northbound lanes of the interstate, indicating the car was probably sliding sideways, police said.

"Instinct is going to tell you to hit the brakes. Whether or not they did, who knows," Hussey said. "Talking to the reconstructionist, they were probably either going into a sideways skid or were into it already as they were crossing the pavement."

The vehicle does have an event data recorder, a so-called black box, but the information police were able to recover from it was in a form that was not useful, Hussey said. Investigators decided the standard accident reconstruction should yield the information needed without the electronic data.

Police said the license of the likely driver, Gagnon, was suspended in 1997 after an accident and civil suit in Virginia. Officials in that state would release no details about the accident.

Police in Maine said Tuesday they are conducting special tests to be sure Gagnon was the driver. The crash was so violent that Gagnon and two other occupants were thrown from the vehicle.

"We're not putting a lot of emphasis on who was driving and who was sitting where. We believe she was driving, but we're trying not to put it too, too hard in stone," Hussey said.

One reason police believe Gagnon was driving is that witnesses say they saw her getting into the driver's seat while the SUV was pulled over two miles before the crash site, less than two minutes before it happened.

"We're very confident it was her, but we would like to obviously have something definitive from the crime lab if they were able to get it," McCausland said.

Evidence collection specialists planned to compare fibers found on the car's upholstery with the clothing worn by the occupants. The state medical examiner also will study the occupants' injuries for clues about where they were when the vehicle crashed.

Police have yet to receive the results of blood-alcohol tests that are required in fatal car accidents, and they also have sought blood tests to determine if any medications or drugs were involved.

Police believe only Saint Paulin and Deion Stuart were wearing seatbelts at the time of the crash.

Police have not aggressively pursued the reason behind the women's trip north, in part because they have not launched a criminal investigation.

"There is going to be no prosecution. It's more of finding out what was happening," Hussey said. Police were conducting interviews in Portland and planned to explore the possibility they were headed to Fort Kent, he said.

The situation is something of a mystery around Fort Kent.

At Rock's Diner, the restaurant where many of the locals go to eat, patrons talked about the situation Tuesday morning, but without much certainty. Some said they might know who the Internet acquaintance was, but most said they didn't.

Rumors, patrons said, get around quickly in a town, which has a population of just over 4,000.

"It's the first time I heard Fort Kent's involved," said Manzer Belanger, the town's postmaster, who read about the accident in a local newspaper. "And I would have heard about it."

In Carmel, where the accident happened, state troopers and local emergency personnel held a critical-incident debriefing Tuesday as part of the process for dealing with the psychological impact of the horrific accident scene and the children involved.

"Maybe they can just help us bring closure," said Carmel Fire Chief Joseph Pelletier.

Staff Writer Giselle Goodman contributed to this report.

Staff Writer David Hench can be contacted at 791-6327 or at: dhench@pressherald.com

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59 posted on 05/12/2004 9:09:58 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
I knew Kelly, the person that was originally driving. I knew OF the other 2, but none of their children including Kelly's because I have not seen her in many yrs and the one time i did he was in daycare.. anyway.. This accident makes me so angry! it was SO ridiculous! now the families are trying to say that one of the children might have been having an asthma attack and thats why they were going so fast.. they had apparently pulled over a couple miles before the accident to switch drivers, to the driver without a license.. that driver was the child's mother that was supposed to be having this asthma attack.. first of all why would the mother of the child take over driving while panicking about her son.. doesn't make sense, also why would u bring ur son on a 6 hour road trip if he has this condition.. the family is making this all up to try and take some of the anger people are having away.. from what i hear, they told people they were going to make the 6 hour trip in 4 hours. the way i see it is if you want to do something so stupid, fine, whatever.. but why bring ur children, and not only put them in a dangerous situation but not even bother putting seat belts on them.. i don't think seat belts would have protected them from this but you hear all the time about all the adults in the accident dying and a child in a car seat making it out alive.. maybe its just because their bodies are smaller and they don't get hit with as much of the car.. who knows.. its all very very sad. I'm angry, sad and confused on why 3 adults, all with children didn't find it necessary to go at least so mewhere near the speed limit, have the children in seat belts.. and just be...... good mothers, as these papers keep suggesting they were.. Danielle was the only one wearing a seatbelt.. my thought is that when "the driver" started driving crazy, probably showing off, she freaked and put it on, the only reason i think that is if she was an avid seat belt wearer, I'm sure she would have made the children put one on.. its all very sad, and I for one have stopped speeding and always wear my seatbelt.. i definitely got the message
60 posted on 06/09/2004 6:34:07 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: hellinahandcart

Look what came in with the morning coffee!


61 posted on 06/09/2004 6:52:09 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: NikinMaine

How did you find this Website?


62 posted on 06/09/2004 6:52:30 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: presidio9

"I blame society. We foster these maniacal tendancies in SUVs." -- Ho Chi Kerry's VVAW Senate Hearings


63 posted on 06/09/2004 6:55:01 AM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: presidio9

What idiot does 90 MPH with 4 kids in the car? No doubt the roll over contributed to their deaths, but flat out agressive and illegal driving caused the accident.

I see this all the time, people who don't have a clue how to drive the "big" vehicle their penis envy required them to own.

You drive around in almost any SUV, whipping it around like its a honda civic or something.. taking it just to the limit of its suspensions ability to stay on the ground.. then sooner or later they take it just a little too far, and instead of a spinout, or other issue like a car would do, you wind up rolling the beast.


64 posted on 06/09/2004 6:57:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: NikinMaine; Eaker; Judith Anne; netmilsmom; Devil_Anse; T Minus Four; ~Kim4VRWC's~; retrokitten; ...
No one who was not in that car can have any idea what really happened. Including you.

But thanks so much for giving us

65 posted on 06/09/2004 7:06:19 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: raccoonradio

Reckless driving, combined with a vehicle whos dynamics, like it or not, make it far more likely to roll over. Roll over contributed to the death in this accident, as it does in most roll over accidents.

I know people here get all jumping ugly when you bring up the facts about these vehicles, but its reality. Yes, these cars have higher centers of gravity and are far more prone to roll over, when a car rolls over you are far more likely to be thrown from the vehicle, you are far more likely to wind up with head and upper torso indjuries, you are far more likely to be crushed.... that's reality folks.

Cars and other vehicles with lower centers of gravity by and large don't "Roll" in many accidents where SUV's will.. they will spin out, and do other things, but it takes a hell of a lot to get a care to roll over, usually it involves the car hitting and embankment or other thing that puts the car airborne at an odd angle to get a passenger car to roll.

Many people who drive SUV's don't respect this reality, they weave them in and out of traffic like they are in some sports car.

The facts are the facts, and as much as people here may not want to hear it... when involved in accidents, SUV's are more likely to roll, and if your vehicle rolls you are more likely to be seriously injured of killed. That's reality.


66 posted on 06/09/2004 7:06:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: NikinMaine; hellinahandcart
Welcome to Free Republic.

Most of what you're saying is true and could be gleaned by reading the BDS (Bangor Daily Snooze).

The women sounded like gimme girls and from what I read, there was no mention of fathers.

What really sparked my BS meter was that all seven were killed yet the media made a big thing about the two poor kids that weren't belted in.

Hey media! They're all dead!

67 posted on 06/09/2004 7:19:16 AM PDT by metesky (You will be diverse, just like us.)
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To: Xenalyte; hellinahandcart

Good question!

Yep, I do blieve...


68 posted on 06/09/2004 7:20:01 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: LonghornFreeper; presidio9

I hate minivans. I have owned several 4WD vehicles, and have never rolled one. Common sense ought to tell you it is easier to roll a Surburban than a Corvette. Any vehicle in the hands of an idiot can be an instrument of death.


69 posted on 06/09/2004 7:32:15 AM PDT by wjcsux ("Communists read Marx and Lenin, Anti-Communists understand Marx and Lenin" -R.Reagan)
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To: NikinMaine; hellinahandcart

What's worse, it appears that one of the folks thrown from the vehicle lost their kilt.

70 posted on 06/09/2004 7:43:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (John Kerry - Not the Swiftest Boat in the Delta.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I drive a Tracker (aka Suzuki Sidekick). I am aware of warnings that the vehicle is more likely to turn over. However, I also drove jeeps in the Army and they had the same issue. I simply temper my driving accordingly.

If you don't drive like Speed Racer, this problem is not going to come up. The responsiblity for this accident lies soley with the driver and the indviduals that let her drive.


71 posted on 06/09/2004 7:48:46 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: NikinMaine; Thinkin' Gal; hellinahandcart; ~Kim4VRWC's~; HenryLeeII; martin_fierro; ...
thanks for your input, but you clearly didn't know kelly the way i did.  kelly was always trying crazy stunts, and the more dangerous the better.  i still remember in the seventh grade, kelly built a ramp out of plywood leftover from a kitchen remodeling project.  she lined up all her barbies and then several pieces of her mothers best china to jump over.  all the neighborhood kids gathered around to watch this death, or at least grounding, defying feat.  to make matters more exciting, she then dumped a quart of dirty motor oil on the ramp and set it aflame.  she gained good speed down the driveway but upon hitting the ramp swerved the bike and ended up careening into the mass of neighborhood kids.  some of the kids sustained contusions and second degree burns while i escaped with just a ruined pair of cordoroys.  as kelly grew older her antics became more and more daring.  be it darting out between parked cars in front of moving vehicles, shooting starter pistols at mall security gaurds or running with siscors, kelly often looked death in the eye and never blinked.  only this past easter, kelly was looking into getting a job as a bus driver in jerusalem.  everybody in that car knew they were taking their lives into their own hands just by associating with her.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

72 posted on 06/09/2004 8:24:39 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (FReep 'em all, let God sort 'em out.)
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To: LonghornFreeper
If we had been in an SUV, it would have flipped and we would be dead now.

Anecdotal evidence not supported by facts. And this is supposed to convince anybody???

73 posted on 06/09/2004 8:29:34 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: NikinMaine; Owl_Eagle; Xenalyte; Howlin; netmilsmom

74 posted on 06/09/2004 8:32:41 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Living Free in NH
"On a suspended license."

Let me guess. The equivalent of wreckless driving?

75 posted on 06/09/2004 8:37:57 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: LonghornFreeper
I know this from personal experience. ... If we had been in an SUV, it would have flipped and we would be dead now.

So let's see, you know this from personal experience because you weren't in an SUV and it didn't flip?

You might want to retake that logic class.

No amount of spin will change that fact. SUV's flip when a minivan or car would not.

Halfway reasonable rollover accidents aren't nearly so bad as a head-on or t-bone. But when you are doing 90mph any accident has serious potential to be fatal.

You can flip anything at that speed, including low slung sports cars. It's a whole lot harder to flip a corvette, but it is a whole lot easier to wind up wedged under something too.

76 posted on 06/09/2004 8:54:11 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: presidio9

Your can make friends with SUVs by just changing the oil ever 3000 miles.


77 posted on 06/09/2004 8:56:59 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: metesky
What really sparked my BS meter was that all seven were killed yet the media made a big thing about the two poor kids that weren't belted in.

They do that in east Tennessee, as well. "So and so was killed; h/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt". Imagine my surprise when several people were killed in an accident locally, and the news commentator mentioned that "all those killed Tuesday WERE wearing seat belts". Sometimes they save you, sometimes they don't, sometimes they are even the cause of death. (I'm returning to New Hampshire soon, where you aren't FORCED to wear a belt. Guess they don't need the money...) I am VERY FAMILIAR with that stretch of I-95 in Maine, having driven it well over 100 times. It is relatively straight, with just a few mild curves. The POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 65 MPH...this woman was doing 90 (for whatever reason), and SHE, not the 'SUV' killed everyone in that vehicle. By the way, for those who say she may have been 'deceived' about her true rate of speed because she was sitting up high in this particular model? Every SUV I have seen comes with a speedometer, and most with cruise control. I give thanks that the poor folks in the car she clipped came through safely. Too many people are killed by idiots who feel they have the right to break the law, which this woman clearly did.

78 posted on 06/09/2004 8:57:56 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: Constitution Day

!!!!!!!!!!!


79 posted on 06/09/2004 9:03:28 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Libs prefer to silence than debate.-Political Junkie Too)
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To: LonghornFreeper

Yeah... my wife lost control of her car a couple of years back while transporting her mother to our home. Was on an icey bridge on a turnpike. Rest of the road was not icey. She was doing about 65... car spun.... went across the median on the bridge which was a raised concrete sidewalk 8 feet wide and 16 inches tall. Across the lanes of oncoming traffic, bounced off the concrete bridge wall on the other side... back across the traffic spinning and came to rest with 3 wheels on the bridge median. She was in a Buick Regal that didn't turn over. Was no way a SUV would have pulled that off. Regal was totaled, but both passengers okay (if you don't count scared almost to death).


80 posted on 06/09/2004 9:03:30 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL!

(but you spelled to many words correctly)


81 posted on 06/09/2004 9:07:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Libs prefer to silence than debate.-Political Junkie Too)
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To: spunkets
Let me guess. The equivalent of wreckless driving?

I may have overlooked it, but did ANYONE mention WHY this killer's license was suspended?

82 posted on 06/09/2004 9:14:52 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: who knows what evil?
"WHY this killer's license was suspended?"

Yes, they caused a significant crash in VA in '97 and failed to compensate those she injured. OSunds like the equivalent of wreckless driving. The thread started on 5/11, it was resurected this AM.

83 posted on 06/09/2004 9:24:29 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: presidio9
"A rented SUV was speeding at more than 90 mph when it clipped a car it was trying to pass and veered out of control, killing seven people inside, including four young children, authorities said. "

I got up this morning, and 3 cigarettes jumped into my mouth...lit themselves and ingested smoke into my being...

...then, just as I was noting how hot it was outside from the global warming, my gun hopped out of the closet, loaded itself, and forced me at gunpoint to get into my SUV...

...still threatening, the gun hopped into the passenger seat, and cocked back its hammer, and said, "start it up".

So I started up the SUV, which then took over; it stopped me from fastening my seat belt,and disabled it own airbags...

out the driveway, down the winding and hilly road they forced me...exceeding 90 mph at times...

...as luck would have it - and due to the melting asphalt on the road from the global warming high tempertures, the SUV lost its footing and went off the road, tumbling over time and time again. This upset the gun, which went off and grazed my shoulder. The three cigarettes fell out of my mouth, into my lap and burned my...

During the skid, the SUV clipped a flower-dy VW bus with a sign on the back saying, "I can't help it, it's the gay gene".

The SUV lay upside down, the gun trapped under the seat...both done for.

The cops showed up and charged me with speeding, reckless driving, possession of a fire arm, discharging a firearm in public, smoking cigarettes in public, and...the ultimate felony...OWNING SUV's.

If it wasn't for pissing off the Heinz-kerry "family"...I'd call for a complete ban on SUV's. Durn things are like guns, they go out and kill people everyday.

Signed

Looking for a Ugo from my jail cell
84 posted on 06/09/2004 9:40:29 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL I needed this today... God bless ya Owl..


85 posted on 06/09/2004 9:47:04 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Owl_Eagle
DANG!
86 posted on 06/09/2004 10:03:37 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: hellinahandcart

Oh geez! Well, at least I got to look at Russell Crowe. ;D


87 posted on 06/09/2004 6:12:25 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! -- RIP, President Reagan)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Ewww, gag, Russell Crowe!


88 posted on 06/10/2004 7:20:16 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: kenth

Actually, there's a legitimate reason to mention the SUV. Look at the data on deaths and injuries relating to SUV rollovers and you can see why.


89 posted on 06/10/2004 7:23:06 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: BabsC

If I wanted a SUV I'd shop for one. Are all the dealerships pushing these things this way?

It is because they are afraid of getting stuck with them due to increased gas prices and the manufacturers are offering bonuses for sales of SUVs.


90 posted on 06/10/2004 7:39:25 AM PDT by Dasaji (Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming, swimming...)
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To: mewzilla

I think if the reason were solely because of a faulty SUV then it would be reason to mention it so prominently. But, the article doesn't say if the people were properly restrained in the vehicle. It does say that they allowed the woman, who had proven herself to not follow the rules that would allow her to retain her driver's license, behind the wheel. It goes on to say that they estimated a speed of 90 mph when they hit trees in the median. I think slamming into trees in the median, along with not using proper restraints - especially on children, did far more to lead to the deaths of those people than merely being inside an SUV.

As with most articles regarding SUVs these days, the author approaches the story with the SUV being an entity of its own. They lay blame on the SUV instead of the person driving it. This is the same ridiculous reasoning that has us looking for nail clippers in airports instead of focusing on young to middle aged muslim men.


91 posted on 06/10/2004 7:56:17 AM PDT by kenth
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To: spunkets
Well, it wasn't completely wreckless.
92 posted on 06/10/2004 8:11:51 AM PDT by rabidralph (I'm the Budweiser Donkey, and I approved this message.)
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To: rabidralph
w Thanks.
93 posted on 06/10/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: giznort

hi, i just wanted to let u know if no one has that the driver didnt rent. kelly did. they had switched drivers a couple miles before the accident happened


94 posted on 08/12/2004 8:12:32 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: Xenalyte

hi, i dont know when u posted that question to me, i was just going through emials and found my confirmation email from signing up with my password and login and went to see what it was LOL.. anyway, i was doing a search on the accident because i had just moved away and wanted to get as much info on it as i could to try and figure it all out, and somehow came across this website. i think i went to yahoo and just put in "mothers day crash"


95 posted on 08/12/2004 8:16:35 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: hellinahandcart

of course no one knows, but we all have opinions on it


96 posted on 08/12/2004 8:17:31 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: LindaSOG

I'll be danged if that picture doesn't remind me of the end scene of "Psycho" when they drag the car out of the quicksand.


97 posted on 08/12/2004 8:19:55 AM PDT by P.O.E. ("Higher Taxes, er, um, I mean, Hope Is On The Way!")
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To: metesky

I agree that they were gimme girls. kelly {the one who rented the SUV but wasnt driving at the time} was a follower.. more than i would say. she was the type of person that would go against her own judgement just to have someone like her. very needy of attention. i didnt know hope, but my grandmother did, i guess she worked at the store near my grams house. she said she was nice. but nice has nothing to do with having ur 3 kids in the car and not even bothering to buckle them in
it made me want to vomit when in the papers they talked about how much she loved her kids and all the functions she took part in. big effin deal.. that doesnt make you a good mother, what makes u a good mother is protecting them and making sure they are safe always.. i guess that included buckling them in and not going 90 weaving through traffic.
i did not know danielle so i have nothing to say on that. she was the one that had decided not to take her children along. from the sounds of it though the only reason was there wasnt much room and she just didnt want to be bothered. either way im glad she didnt.
i still have alot of anger on all the adults. if danielle had bothered to put her s eat belt on, either she was nervous about the way they were driving or she was just cautious and always wore it. either way, she was in the back with those kids and should have made them put theirs on. they probably still would not have lived but she whos to say. either way, at least they wouldnt havnt been found in trees.
as far as fathers go for these kids. i guess hopes husbands, and father of her children had died last yr or some time in the past couple years, i dont know how or exactly when
kelly, as i said was needy for approval so i dont think i need to asy much more on that
danielles kids apparently had a couple different fathers but i dont know much about that


98 posted on 08/12/2004 8:24:41 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: Tijeras_Slim

lmao on the kilt. its sick but it was kinda funny


99 posted on 08/12/2004 8:25:57 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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To: Owl_Eagle

i hung out with kelly when i was about 15, when i knew her she was a shy girl. she seemed very intimidated and pretty much just went along with the flow. i liked her alot because out of the group we hung out with she was the most.. moral? what i didnt like though and always felt bad for her about was that she always did what people wanted even if she didnt want to. i think the only blame she really has in this is that she didnt buckle her son in, and that she didnt try to stop hope from going so fast..or who knows, maybe she did, maybe thats why the suv swerved into the breakdown lane. we will never know and maybe thats a good thing that we dont. to me the only one to blame is the driver. the others fault was the seatbelts. i dont think any of them would have survived either way, but those kids should have still had them on


100 posted on 08/12/2004 8:30:20 AM PDT by NikinMaine
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