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Muslim Europe
www.danielpipes.org ^ | May 11, 2004 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 05/11/2004 7:53:11 PM PDT by SegerSkriv

Muslim Europe by Daniel Pipes New York Sun May 11, 2004

"Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam." So declares Oriana Fallaci in her new book, La Forza della Ragione, or, "The Force of Reason." And the famed Italian journalist is right: Christianity's ancient stronghold of Europe is rapidly giving way to Islam.

Two factors mainly contribute to this world-shaking development.

The hollowing out of Christianity. Europe is increasingly a post-Christian society, one with a diminishing connection to its tradition and its historic values. The numbers of believing, observant Christians has collapsed in the past two generations to the point that some observers call it the "new dark continent." Already, analysts estimate Britain's mosques host more worshippers each week than does the Church of England.

An anemic birth rate. Indigenous Europeans are dying out. Sustaining a population requires each woman on average to bear 2.1 children; in the European Union, the overall rate is one-third short, at 1.5 a woman, and falling. One study finds that, should current population trends continue and immigration cease, today's population of 375 million could decline to 275 million by 2075.To keep its working population even, the E.U. needs 1.6 million immigrants a year; to sustain the present workers-to-retirees ratio requires an astonishing 13.5 million immigrants annually.

Into the void are coming Islam and Muslims. As Christianity falters, Islam is robust, assertive, and ambitious. As Europeans underreproduce at advanced ages, Muslims do so in large numbers while young.

Some 5% of the E.U., or nearly 20 million persons, presently identify themselves as Muslims; should current trends continue, that number will reach 10% by 2020. If non-Muslims flee the new Islamic order, as seems likely, the continent could be majority-Muslim within decades.

When that happens, grand cathedrals will appear as vestiges of a prior civilization — at least until a Saudi style regime transforms them into mosques or a Taliban-like regime blows them up. The great national cultures — Italian, French, English, and others — will likely wither, replaced by a new transnational Muslim identity that merges North African, Turkish, subcontinental, and other elements.

This prediction is hardly new. In 1968, the British politician Enoch Powell gave his famed "rivers of blood" speech in which he warned that in allowing excessive immigration, the United Kingdom was "heaping up its own funeral pyre." (Those words stalled a hitherto promising career.) In 1973, the French writer Jean Raspail published Camp of the Saints, a novel that portrays Europe falling to massive, uncontrolled immigration from the Indian subcontinent. The peaceable transformation of a region from one major civilization to another, now under way, has no precedent in human history, making it easy to ignore such voices.

There is still a chance for the transformation not to play itself out, but the prospects diminish with time. Here are several possible ways it might be stopped:

Changes in Europe that lead to a resurgence of Christian faith, an increase in childbearing, or the cultural assimilation of immigrants; such developments can theoretically occur but what would cause them is hard to imagine.

Muslim modernization. For reasons no one has quite figured out (education of women? abortion on demand? adults too self-absorbed to have children ?), modernity leads to a drastic reduction in the birth rate. Also, were the Muslim world to modernize, the attraction of moving to Europe would diminish.

Immigration from other sources. Latin Americans, being Christian, would more or less permit Europe to keep its historic identity. Hindus and Chinese would increase the diversity of cultures, making it less likely that Islam would dominate.

Current trends suggest Islamization will happen, for Europeans seem to find it too strenuous to have children, stop illegal immigration, or even diversify their sources of immigrants. Instead, they prefer to settle unhappily into civilizational senility.

Europe has simultaneously reached unprecedented heights of prosperity and peacefulness and shown a unique inability to sustain itself. One demographer, Wolfgang Lutz, notes, "Negative momentum has not been experienced on so large a scale in world history."

Is it inevitable that the most brilliantly successful society also will be the first in danger of collapse due to a lack of cultural confidence and offspring? Ironically, creating a hugely desirable place to live would seem also to be a recipe for suicide. The human comedy continues.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: danielpipes; europeanmuslims; fallaci; pipes; powell; raspail
Great article on the potential future of Europe
1 posted on 05/11/2004 7:53:12 PM PDT by SegerSkriv
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To: SegerSkriv
We need to encourage our illegal aliens to move to Europe. They at least share some of our values, particularly with Christianity.
2 posted on 05/11/2004 7:58:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: SegerSkriv
We need to encourage our illegal aliens to move to Europe. They at least share some of our values, particularly with Christianity.
3 posted on 05/11/2004 7:58:02 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: SegerSkriv
The peaceable transformation of a region from one major civilization to another, now under way, has no precedent in human history

What about when the Muslims took over N. Africa and Turkey? They've done it before and are trying it again.

I would hate to see Chartres Cathedral turned into a mosque, but it could happen.

4 posted on 05/11/2004 8:01:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SegerSkriv
Europe is allowing the cancer of Islam to spread.
5 posted on 05/11/2004 8:02:17 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: what's up
What about when the Muslims took over N. Africa and Turkey? They've done it before and are trying it again.

There was absolutely nothing "peaceable" about those transitions. The "Religion of Peace" conquered those areas--North Africa in the 7th century AD and Turkey over the course of 400 years from 1071 to 1453.

And the conquest of Europe won't be peaceable either. It can't be. The Islamics will eventually attempt to sieze power before they are actually in a position to do so. It's almost like they can't help themselves. Things will get very, very ugly in Europe---and here unless we wise up.
6 posted on 05/11/2004 8:07:27 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: SegerSkriv
Unfortunately, this is the potential for the U.S., as well.

We are not reproducing at a rate fast enough to keep up with the rest of the world.

Therefore, please refer any blonde women, 35 years-old or younger, about 110-120 pounds, nice tan, who like beer and rock and roll, to me.

I'm doing this for America...
7 posted on 05/11/2004 8:09:00 PM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: SegerSkriv
WHITE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE MORE BABIES.

The one thing about these negative trends, they can be rather quickly reversed I reckon.

At least the western nations have an advantage over china and india, who are busily eliminating their female offspring. Now that's no way to get babies.

I figure that in most western countries the birthrate is still 50/50, it would probably only take most women having 3 children to reverse this pernicious trend.
8 posted on 05/11/2004 8:12:10 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: what's up
A mosque is the good outcome. It could be a latreen like the great churches of Serbia and palestine.
9 posted on 05/11/2004 8:12:15 PM PDT by Righty1
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To: SegerSkriv
For more about Oriana:

 Oriana Fallaci: A New Book

Hank

10 posted on 05/11/2004 8:16:14 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: jocon307
We do need to have more children and keep the family strong.
The sad thing about Europe is that most Europeans have NO CLUE whatsoever about what is going on. What is even sadder is that certain segment of our population adulate certain European lifestyles. An example would be despising having a big family or franky having children period. Then again, it would be harder for them to understand because they are treated like children with their welfare states. Adults recognize the importance of family.

11 posted on 05/11/2004 8:23:45 PM PDT by SegerSkriv (I'm Rick Jayyyyymmmzzzz)
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To: Antoninus
Of course you are right...I missed the word "peaceable" in Pipes' sentence for some reason.

I feel the need is for missionaries to help Europeans to realize that much of the history there is glorious. Presently there is such a dark cloud hanging over the place.

12 posted on 05/11/2004 8:26:59 PM PDT by what's up
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To: SegerSkriv
There is still a chance for the transformation not to play itself out, but the prospects diminish with time. Here are several possible ways it might be stopped:

Two logical ways not mentioned to preserve Europe for Greco-Roman Christian culture are to

1. reverse the Muslim immigration, throw the culture of death out, and

2. kill more of them.

But, in the politically correct socialist world of today, it is better to commit suicide than defend your life.

13 posted on 05/11/2004 8:27:09 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: SegerSkriv
The prospect of a Muslim Europe is familiar to most Freepers, but Daniel Pipes has put the whole business in a nutshell here, simple and understandable to anybody. I've sent this out to my email list.
14 posted on 05/11/2004 8:28:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SegerSkriv
Aging Europeans will find themselves "put down" in their golden years by the mercy killing laws they've erected, and also by the Muslim invaders.
15 posted on 05/11/2004 8:31:44 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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16 posted on 05/11/2004 8:34:44 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Hank Kerchief
Thanks Hank...I will definitely check it out
17 posted on 05/11/2004 8:36:17 PM PDT by SegerSkriv (I'm Rick Jayyyyymmmzzzz)
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To: jocon307
I figure that in most western countries the birthrate is still 50/50, it would probably only take most women having 3 children to reverse this pernicious trend.

You are dreamming, even conservative women don't have time nor the money to raise that many kids. Soicialism and lawyers are killing this country. Did you read the article about Laura Ingram ? Seems she can't find a man good enough to get married to.
18 posted on 05/11/2004 9:23:14 PM PDT by John Lenin (Leftists's have the brainpower of a moth)
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To: SegerSkriv
Europe has simultaneously reached unprecedented heights of prosperity and peacefulness and shown a unique inability to sustain itself. One demographer, Wolfgang Lutz, notes, "Negative momentum has not been experienced on so large a scale in world history."

Momentum has to be the most abused metaphor ever. Large negative momentum is still large, and still irresistible. Something that is fading or diminishing does not have negative momentum, but small, or fading, or vanishing momentum.

Well, I feel much better about everything now!

19 posted on 05/11/2004 9:44:35 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Vigilanteman
There is a big uptick in latin American immigration to the EU. What we should do is lower taxes and increase libert and open the door to like minded Europeans. They will flood in and we shall benefit.
20 posted on 05/12/2004 3:31:48 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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