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CBS and Dan Rather should be held accountable (Warning: Graphic photos down thread)

Posted on 05/12/2004 9:43:09 AM PDT by jg0510

I posted the following message on the CBS message board yesterday and also sent the same message to Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. If you agree with my message, I would appreciate it if you would forward this e-mail to others in your address book. I believe this is very important and a "grass roots" effort may be the only way to force Dan Rather, CBS, and others to accept the responsibility of their careless and destructive actions:

"I think all American citizens should be outraged at CBS for making the "abuse" pictures public. CBS has done serious damage to the relationship between the US and the Middle East and has endangered our soldiers in Iraq. This is a matter that the Army should have handled internally and privately. 60 Minutes II and Dan Rather should be answering why they choose to jeopardize the security of our soldiers and our relationship with foreign countries for their "big story"."

Since I wrote this yesterday, a US citizen working in Iraq was beheaded in retaliation. If this story had not been made public by CBS, it is doubtful this atrocity would have happened. It is time for CBS be held accountable and should appear before the Senate Armed Services Committee to explain why they have compromised the safety of Americans and our foreign policy.

Thank you for passing this information to other concerned citizens.


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KEYWORDS: blackwater; blackwaterbridge; cbsnews; danrather; falluja; fallujah; liberalmedia; nickberg
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1 posted on 05/12/2004 9:43:11 AM PDT by jg0510
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To: jg0510
The phone chicks at CBS gotta have some sore ears from last night.
2 posted on 05/12/2004 9:47:45 AM PDT by keysguy (Vote GWB--stay the course)
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To: jg0510
CBS to Air U.S. Soldier's Video Diary of Iraq Abuse
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/402079|top|05-11-2004::20:25|reuters.html

3 posted on 05/12/2004 9:49:58 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: keysguy
No reason they should get a respite today.
4 posted on 05/12/2004 9:50:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: jg0510
AMERICANS BEHEADED BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS<
AFTER PRODDING AND ENCOURAGEMENT BY CBS AND the RATHER-CASTRO.

THIS LATEST BEHEADING WAS DIRECTLY DUE TO SCHEMING DAN RATHER AND PROTERRORIST CBS.


AMERICANS HANGING ON A BRIDGE IN FALLUJA BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


TORTURE OF AMERICANS BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMANS


The murders were encouraged by the American media's and their sponsors' fixation and ETERNAL LOVE for terrorists.

5 posted on 05/12/2004 9:50:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: jg0510
You need a "graphic warning" on this post.
6 posted on 05/12/2004 9:52:02 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota
I agree, I know what kind of animal we're fighting and don't need a reminder.
7 posted on 05/12/2004 9:53:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: jg0510
"Reporters and newspapermen are all spies and should be shot before sundown".......................Gen. W.T. Sherman

Dan Rather should be "forced to resign".

8 posted on 05/12/2004 9:53:59 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: jg0510
These were my exact thoughts as soon as this humility surfaced.

I fully believe in the freedom of the press, but CBS should certainly given a heads-up to the President and his administration that they were about to expose this garbage.

Even Johnny Cockroach gets a heads-up by the LA prosecutors on everything they had on OJ.

This treatment of this administration should not stand.
9 posted on 05/12/2004 9:54:11 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: keysguy
I totally agree. Since last night, I have been considering the idea that we need to go to war with CBS and Dan Rather. We cannot allow them to "Walter Cronkite" us in this conflict. Iraq is a piece of the bigger war for our survival against Islamism. It is far more crucial to win it than was Vietnam.

I just started posting on this Board after reading "Hilary's Secret War". I realized the power that the Underground Media and this and similar boards have to impact society.

I feel quite certain that this board can have impact in a war against CBS and Dan Rather. If they are not with us--they are against us--and must be stopped.
10 posted on 05/12/2004 9:55:07 AM PDT by Sue Bob
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To: jg0510
If you believe:
US is to blame for 9/11.
Rumsfeld is to blame for prisoner abuse.

Then:
CBS is to blame for the killing of Nick Berg.

It's not the fault of the people that actually did it, right?

11 posted on 05/12/2004 9:55:56 AM PDT by rudypoot
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To: elbucko
Dan Rather should be "forced to resign".


BINGO.

12 posted on 05/12/2004 9:56:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: jg0510
No doubt, CBS's constant harping about Abu Ghraib shows how anti-american the press really is. But to be fair, those subhuman pukes would've done this anyway. Remember Danny Pearl?

I REALLY, REALLY hope we get Zarquawi alive.
13 posted on 05/12/2004 9:56:46 AM PDT by Piedmont Rebel
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To: jg0510
Call MSNBC: Jeremy Gaines VP, Media Relations

MSNBC: Nick Berg "Paid With His Life" For Prisoner Abuse

201-583-5362

Call CBS Newsroom (more fun from last night):

Airing more Iraqi abuse stories tonight and refuses to play Berg video

212-975-3691
14 posted on 05/12/2004 9:57:01 AM PDT by Republican Red ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it,")
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To: Diogenesis
Could you either remove the graphic pictures or modify the headline to warn of them? I had chosen not to look at them because I know how they will haunt me. Just the description was enough to cause me serious distress.

Now I will have to live with that picture in my head, when I should be seeing my darling granddaughter laughing instead.
15 posted on 05/12/2004 9:57:42 AM PDT by Grammy
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To: jg0510
Its a new kind of war

In the old days, wars were fought with tanks, planes, soldiers fighting eye-to-eye to take land and win the war.

Media was used as a mechanism to undermine the determination of the enemy... that has not changed.
What has changed is clear when one looks at the outcome of the Vietnam War. A country with un-stoppable capacity to fight a traditional war, quit in the face of overwhelming opposition.. from within.
How did the enemy undermine their determination?
The fight did not take place in Hanoi. It did not take place in Saigon. It took place in Ohio. It took place in San Francisco. It took place all over America as the pictures of coffins were run on the evening news.
While every American coffin had 10 Vietnamese graves to match it.. while every American TV had Americans crying about our losses as the Vietnamese were cheering in spite of their burning villages and bombed out cities... we lost.

While Al Qaida is heartless, they do have a brain. They know what weapons will win this war. It is the TV. The daily Newspaper. The Internet.

When we finally surrender... when we succumb to our fears and kneel down before Al Qaida, they will do to us what they have done to Nick Berg... they will cut our heads off.

16 posted on 05/12/2004 9:58:18 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: jg0510
showing those pictures was a VIOLATION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS

Of course if they hadn't shown the photos there would have been nothing to the story because the only thing the Gov. had not yet disclosed, fully, were the photos, themselves, as having been held in obeyance pending the previously scheduled trials & court martials.

17 posted on 05/12/2004 9:58:39 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Sue Bob
It's Rathers last hurrah. The vietnam war made him and he doesn't want to retire without bringing down one more republican.
18 posted on 05/12/2004 9:58:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: jg0510
You're way to nice for me.
19 posted on 05/12/2004 9:59:44 AM PDT by narby (Iraq prison abuse looks like Frat house hazing to me.)
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To: jg0510
Will Rather and CBS apologize at a large press conference today?
20 posted on 05/12/2004 10:00:02 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: jg0510
CBS is just trying to uphold their long, proud history of destroying the moral of the US soldier, and of trying to turn public opinion against the war, and more importantly, to paint our service men and women as a bunch of evil cads... Next up, I'm waiting for them to label them "baby-killers."

The only war that CBS (and all the other "alphabets") approves of is one that we're losing.

Mark
21 posted on 05/12/2004 10:02:37 AM PDT by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
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To: jg0510
What pisses me off the most about the American media is that they intentionally hide and minimize Muslim violence because, in their own words, they don't want to tar an entire community and provoke anger against them. Yet, they have no such concern for the American people, as they not only post these pictures...they make it a headline story for weeks on end.

And contrary to their concern for tarring the entire Muslim community by exposing their atrocities, they practically intimate that such atrocities committed by our people are more widespread then believed. The disgusting fact is, that unlike the few soldiers who committed these acts, there is more widespread Muslim hatred and anger that the media refuses to acknowledge.
22 posted on 05/12/2004 10:04:02 AM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: jg0510
I read yesterday on a FR posting that Berg died about a week before the prison photos were released. Did anyone else read that too?
23 posted on 05/12/2004 10:05:43 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Grammy
Let's make the world SAFE for your grandaughter's granddaughter.


24 posted on 05/12/2004 10:05:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: jg0510
It is unlikely in my mind that the animals that beheaded my fellow countryman were prodded to do so by the prison abuse stuff. They just jumped on the bandwagon. They have never needed such a thing to behave like sub-humans before.
Our response should be overwealming and very very violent. That is the only thing they respect.
25 posted on 05/12/2004 10:06:34 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Diogenesis
God almighty.
26 posted on 05/12/2004 10:06:54 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: jg0510
Boycott CBS, send letters to Dan Rather and Co.

Do something about it
27 posted on 05/12/2004 10:10:10 AM PDT by hapy
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To: Sue Bob
Unfortunately, the way it works is unless you can convince sponsors to stop buying time that supports their tripe and BS they will survive. The only redeeming fact is that their numbers could well plummet hopefully, while Fox's continue to skyrocket.
28 posted on 05/12/2004 10:10:26 AM PDT by keysguy (Vote GWB--stay the course)
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To: hapy
Boycott CBS,

Been doing that for years, except when the game is on.

29 posted on 05/12/2004 10:12:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('The weakest link in American security is the political link' - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Republicus2001
Supposedly the photographs have been in government hands since October/November. IMHO, the military was trying to cover this thing up. It certainly goes higher up that the grunts that have been charged so far. I smell CIA and/or DIA. Er, "contractors"

I had heard reports that CBS did tell the USG that they would be releasing the photographs. The USG asked them to be postponed, CBS refused.... The USG had known since October/November to figure out a response.

The Al-Quaida claim that the beheading was in retaliation for the abuse is bullstuff. They would have used a different excuse had this one not been available.

I have a lot of disagreements with CBS and their general slant to the news, however, the publication of the photographs appears to me to be a valid journalistic effort.



30 posted on 05/12/2004 10:12:48 AM PDT by garyb
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To: Sue Bob
If there are any freepers who believe anything spoken on any mainstream media station or anything they read in the left wing news media, there is no hope.

Most of us, however, have grown up beyond even our 'own' media.

31 posted on 05/12/2004 10:13:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: Grammy
Have to agree with you, a warning or a link would have been preferable to the sudden appearance of the pictures.

Be ready to turn off your radio too......WABC radio has deemed it in their best interest to play the audio of the killing. It will be with me forever. Something I could have gratefully lived without.

32 posted on 05/12/2004 10:16:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: Grammy
I believe you need along with the rest of America to view this pictures, this is the enemy! And for the sake of your granddaughter America better wake up. We are not the enemy!
33 posted on 05/12/2004 10:17:07 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: cripplecreek
Both Rather and Brokaw have thrown all pretense to the wind and are going to do their dirty work right out in the open for the purpose of destroying the president and our country too if they can.
34 posted on 05/12/2004 10:17:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: hapy
BOYCOTT,BOYCOTT,BOYCOTT AND THEY WILL DIE.
35 posted on 05/12/2004 10:18:09 AM PDT by magua
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To: Diogenesis
My determination rises with each viewing.
36 posted on 05/12/2004 10:22:57 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Diogenesis
THIS LATEST BEHEADING WAS DIRECTLY DUE TO SCHEMING DAN RATHER AND PROTERRORIST CBS.

Exactly but you also have to include Ted Kennedy and some of the others that apparently think that dressing someone in women's clothes is abuse.

It did not make me afraid of them it made me want to go to Iraq, hunt them down and shoot them in various parts of their bodies and allow them to bleed to death.

37 posted on 05/12/2004 10:23:10 AM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: Diogenesis
THIS LATEST BEHEADING WAS DIRECTLY DUE TO SCHEMING DAN RATHER AND PROTERRORIST CBS.

Exactly but you also have to include Ted Kennedy and some of the others that apparently think that dressing someone in women's clothes is abuse.

It did not make me afraid of them it made me want to go to Iraq, hunt them down and shoot them in various parts of their bodies and allow them to bleed to death.

38 posted on 05/12/2004 10:25:43 AM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: cwb
What pisses ME off is that there are so damn many Americans who think just like Dan Rather...
39 posted on 05/12/2004 10:25:44 AM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: Sue Bob
RE: "Iraq is a piece of the bigger war for our survival against Islamism." Now let me up that even further. The war against Islamism is part of the bigger war against a rising tide of anti Westernism. The rising axis want to see one thing - the destruction of the West. We need to revisit and restate - "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists." Any who cannot conclusively join the alliance, and immediately cease all assistence to terrorist groups and to rogue nations, are the enemy. We are in a fight for our lives. Welcome to WW3, which shall surpass WW2 by all measures.
40 posted on 05/12/2004 10:27:10 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: Michael.SF.
Sorry, but the only way to bring CBS down is to stop watching, EVEN IF the game is on...
41 posted on 05/12/2004 10:27:35 AM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: garyb
I have a lot of disagreements with CBS and their general slant to the news, however, the publication of the photographs appears to me to be a valid journalistic effort.

Then, can you explain to me, or anyone else on this board, why it isn't also a valid journalistic effort to show the jetliners impacting the World Trade Center once a week? Or to show people plummeting to their deaths from the top floors of the WTC once a week? Or even once a month?

Why the expletive deleted do we have to rely on an Islamic Terrorist Internet site to do the job we pay American journalists to do?

Your thinking and comments disgust me.

42 posted on 05/12/2004 10:27:48 AM PDT by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: garyb
...the publication of the [Abu Gharab] photographs appears to me to be a valid journalistic effort.

An effort at what? Journalism? IMO thie only reason to release these pictures was political anti-war.

Now why are these same bunch of "journalists" sitting on the photos of 9-11 dead as well as the lastest muslim beheading atrocity?

43 posted on 05/12/2004 10:27:52 AM PDT by aught-6
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To: jg0510
I agree with you that CBS and the rest of the headline grabbing media is to blame for a breakdown in our good deeds (not that they ever aired any good deeds), but the monsters had intentions of killing Nick from the beginning. The media just gave the monsters their excuse.
44 posted on 05/12/2004 10:32:49 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: OldFriend
I just called CBS and asked the gentleman! who answered the phone if Dan Rather was going to resign. He said "for what" I said "for the murder of Nick Berg" He said Dan Rather will not resign and the reason Nick Berg was killed was because of the the people "in the photos". I asked him if he meant our soldiers and he said yes. We need to do something now about Dan Rather. Anyone know how we can start a petition to oust him?
45 posted on 05/12/2004 10:42:01 AM PDT by lindasobers
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To: jg0510
"Dan Rather, I'd like to introduce you to Nick Berg's father;
Mr. Berg, THIS POS is Dan Rather."
46 posted on 05/12/2004 10:43:21 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: lindasobers
that was pissa!

give us the number
47 posted on 05/12/2004 10:44:15 AM PDT by hapy
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To: aught-6
CBS and the others should not be sitting on the photos of Nick Berg either.

48 posted on 05/12/2004 10:46:22 AM PDT by garyb
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To: Diogenesis
"THIS LATEST BEHEADING WAS DIRECTLY DUE TO SCHEMING DAN RATHER AND PROTERRORIST CBS."

There are stories claiming that the photos were released to CBS because it appeared that a few enlisted were going to be scapegoated for more widespread practices. I don’t know what’s true yet.

I expected torture from our interrogators. As a USMC enlisted intelligence analyst in the 80s, I shared a building with our interrogative translators. We generally thought many of them were borderline sociopaths. Some were reduced in rank while I was there for burring Marines up to their neck on the beach in front of incoming tide. That was just against Marines, just in an exercise. I had no doubt that terrorist and insurgents were being tortured.

I don’t like scapegoating. I think it’s indicative of the worst form of cowardliness, dishonor and betrayal in leadership. I was once a target of scapegoating when my Captain thought he lost a Top Secret document. (It was later found.)

I don’t know how high this needs to go, but I strongly suspect that it goes to the top.

I think Rumsfeld’s “acceptance of responsibility” was no more a real acceptance of responsibility than that of Janet Reno after Waco. All it did was signal that no more General officers were going to be prosecuted. They know too much. He just gave them assurance that they wouldn’t be the ones scapegoated.

If Rumsfeld really accepted responsibility, it would include some statement like “I authorized them to…”, “I suggested that…” or at least, “I allowed…”. What he said was political BS.

I don’t like how this war is being half fought, like Vietnam – leashing Marines from finishing their job. This is just the latest example.

I would have preferred that someone stand up and say, “Yes, the behavior in these photos is a result of my actions or my mistakes. I’m working to limit it. Now either fire me or get out of my way!” But that’s a ridiculous fantasy.

I don’t blame CBS. I don’t blame the Administration. And I don’t blame some lowly private working in a zoo. I blame us, as a nation for being too fat and soft to prosecute this war correctly. I blame us for not assuming the strength to make a rational moral judgment of good and evil and honestly pursue a strategy for eliminating the evil. I blame us for the hypocrisy on the right, and the opportunism on the left.

Despite the depth and ubiquity of what I believe is the problem, I don’t believe our victory is hopeless. We just have to exercise the courage that is within us to recognize the evil of compromise, and strive to identify and eliminate it everywhere. Identify it in the left when they align themselves with anti-war anti-capitalists in order to win an election, compromising our victory. Identify it in the right when they judge our behavior by our enemy’s standards where it’s convenient. We have to have the courage to accuse our enemies in the harshest terms and to stand up to our friends’ cowardliness when they say we are “eating our own”.

If we’re going to condone limited torture of limited people, define it and stand behind the policy. If we’re going to fight this war, defeat the enemy with whatever it takes before rebuilding the country. I believe America will support it. I have hope in that.

49 posted on 05/12/2004 10:48:58 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: hapy
Contact CBS:

212-975-3691
50 posted on 05/12/2004 10:51:11 AM PDT by lindasobers
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