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Vet: Officers told Kerry to leave Vietnam
WorldNet Daily ^ | May 14, 2004 | WorldNet Daily

Posted on 05/13/2004 11:42:28 PM PDT by Stoat

Sen. John Kerry was told to leave Vietnam by three colleagues upset with his behavior and attitudes, according to a fellow swift-boat officer during the war.

Thomas Wright says the misbehavior of the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate got to the point where his divisional commander no longer wanted Kerry in his boat group and re-assigned him.

Then Wright and like-minded boat officers took matters into their own hands, according to John B. Dwyer, a Vietnam veteran and military historian writing in the online magazine American Thinker.

"When he got his third Purple Heart, three of us told him to leave," Wright said, according to Dwyer. "We knew how the system worked and we didn't want him in Coastal Division 11.

"Kerry didn't manipulate the system," he continued, "we did."

Wright, who at times was officer-in-charge over Kerry, said he had occasion to observe Kerry's behavior and attitudes, and the circumstances surrounding his early departure from the war zone.

Wright noted Kerry's chosen moniker for radio communications between the boats was "Boston Strangler."

The officer said he and most other swift-boat officers had two commandments: 1. Protect the crews. 2. Win.

But working with "Boston Strangler" became problematical, he said, according to Dwyer.

"I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders," Wright recalled. "He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."

Wright said he "believed that overall responsibility rested squarely on the shoulders of the OIC or OTC in a free-fire zone. You had to be right [before opening fire]."

However, he continued, "Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone, and you were supposed to kill anyone. I didn't see it that way."

The rules were vital, Wright emphasized, because it was important the enemy "understood that swift boats were a competent, effective force that could dominate his location."

"You couldn't achieve that by indiscriminate use of weapons in free-fire zones," he said.

Wright referred to the three Purple Hearts awarded to Kerry, which allowed him to leave Vietnam for the U.S.

"No one wanted a Purple Heart because it meant we had made a mistake," he said. "We made sure our crews were recognized, but no one took pride in a Purple Heart."

More than a dozen of Kerry's superior officers and colleagues during the war held a press conference May 4 in Washington to tell Americans the senator is unfit to be commander-in-chief of the United States.

Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, who headed Coastal Division 11, said Kerry was seen by colleagues as a self-serving, "loose cannon" who came only to launch a political career.

Hoffman said Kerry "arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future."

"He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard to specific tactical assignments," Hoffman said. "He was a loose cannon."

Hoffman and his colleagues with the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are among more than 200 veterans who have signed a letter asking Kerry to authorize the Department of the Navy to release all of his military records, including health documents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: johnkerry; kerry; militaryrecord; politics; president; swiftboats; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; swiftvets; unfit; veterans; vietnam
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1 posted on 05/13/2004 11:42:29 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Kerry must never get the "football".


2 posted on 05/13/2004 11:48:29 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Stoat

bump


3 posted on 05/13/2004 11:49:59 PM PDT by Salman
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To: Stoat

Boston Strangler, huh?

Thanks for the post, but if the gruesome murder of Nick Berg barely made the news (except for the parts where the father blamed the President and SecDef's sins for his son's death), then this won't get a flea's scratch notice.

Now, if this were about the President, true or not, it would lead every news story of every member of the Fraudcast Lamescream Media.


4 posted on 05/13/2004 11:50:05 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
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To: Christian4Bush

Unfortunately you're completely correct of course.

Maybe if Drudge takes an interest in it, then it might get a footnote in the Washington Post a month from now?

Thank God for Free Republic and the internet, or we would never have an opportunity to hear all sides of a story.


5 posted on 05/13/2004 11:59:07 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: BulletBobCo
Kerry must never get the "football".

If he were to do the impossible, 4 years of "The Touch back Kid" would be as detrimental to our country as 8 years of "The "Cum" back Kid".

6 posted on 05/14/2004 12:00:04 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Stoat
"I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders," Wright recalled. "He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."

Hasn't changed much, has he?

7 posted on 05/14/2004 12:09:58 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Stoat

bttt


8 posted on 05/14/2004 12:11:57 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; Alamo-Girl

Boston Strangler ping.


9 posted on 05/14/2004 12:23:03 AM PDT by risk
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To: Stoat

Kerry, in Vietnam, is what we would have called, "A Goofball."

I was certain the "Three Purple Hearts and your out" policy did not exist. I have never talked to anyone who has even heard a rumor of it before f'n Kerry came on the scene.


10 posted on 05/14/2004 12:45:45 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Stoat

Now those crushing efficincy reports make perfect sense. As does the late award of the 1st PH. 3 and out allowed the Navy to kick Kerry out of VN.
This also explains his hasty and unheralded departure. And his final assignment as an aide.
With Kerry's known political connections to the K-clan the Navy couldn't do anything too harsh, so they found a political solution.
Great, now he's billed as a frikken hero.

Can't wait for the POW situation to be spun to his credit.


11 posted on 05/14/2004 12:51:18 AM PDT by There's millions of'em (John Kerry will step from behind her skirt if the need arises.)
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To: Stoat
Wright noted Kerry's chosen moniker for radio communications between the boats was "Boston Strangler."

Well isn't that special? He chose the name of a man that brutally assaulted and murdered 13 women during the early 1960's. Did he think that was humorous? I guess it fits with the description of him as a "loose canon" who fired at everything that moved and who has confessed to committing atrocities.

12 posted on 05/14/2004 12:53:18 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: There's millions of'em

actually, the only part of this that doesn't make sense is the assignment as a flag officer's aide: those billets are usually given to really STRAC officers from the academies who are on the way up, if things work out the 0-7+ serves as a mentor to the 0-3 and helps guide his further career.


13 posted on 05/14/2004 2:47:23 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: BulletBobCo

"Kerry must never get the "football".

Right! He would only use it against Texas though. Just Waco on a larger scale. Aggression, left wing style.


14 posted on 05/14/2004 3:01:43 AM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: BulletBobCo

Hmm, the football. Kinda makes one think of The Dead Zone.


15 posted on 05/14/2004 3:10:10 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: CatoRenasci

He made a call to the Kennedys. End of story.


16 posted on 05/14/2004 3:10:17 AM PDT by Beckwith
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To: CatoRenasci

Actually, if you check most flag officers career history, the position of aid as a JO is not the norm. Move it up to ops on a staff and you will have a future Flag. As a jo, combat or a meaningful operational billet carries much more weight than sword carrier.


17 posted on 05/14/2004 3:21:20 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Stoat; StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

This is just to funny.


18 posted on 05/14/2004 3:50:55 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Stoat

bump


19 posted on 05/14/2004 3:59:32 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Stoat

This is just another example of the fact that the ratmedia has lost control of the flow of news. In years gone by we would NEVER EVER hear about this story. I predict that lurch will go down as the first major victim of the three legged stool of The Net Talk Radio and Foxtv. In the future the dead horse faced leftist from Massachusetts will find his picture in poli-sci text books next to first "victim of modern technology."


20 posted on 05/14/2004 4:43:19 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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bump.

kerry can't blame anyone but himself for bringing vietnam into this campaign.


21 posted on 05/14/2004 5:33:07 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: Stoat
War hero my aunt fanny. His call sign is very telling, too.

Looks like Kerry had some pretty twisted preconceived notions about the military (no surprise considering the DemonRat scum politicians he was hanging out with) and fashioned himself an actor who was just fitting into the role as he saw it. What a freak. And after he was told that his ideas of what the military was about out there were wrong, he wouldn't listen and just kept going. Sounds like Kerry had some real mental problems. And this nutjob wants to be Commander-in-Chief?

22 posted on 05/14/2004 5:35:10 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (All the good taglines are taken...)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Nothing to see here. Moveon.org, move on.


23 posted on 05/14/2004 5:43:54 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Only difference between the liberals and the Nazis is that the liberals love the Communists.)
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To: Stoat

Boston strangler, thats too funny. What an idiot.


24 posted on 05/14/2004 5:45:00 AM PDT by GROOVY
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To: OXENinFLA; Chad Fairbanks
Wright noted Kerry's chosen moniker for radio communications between the boats was "Boston Strangler."

Hey Chad .. didn't you find this info a few weeks back?

25 posted on 05/14/2004 5:58:40 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Stoat
Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives.

Yep, sounds EXACTLY like Kerry. To hell with everyone else as long as HE gets what HE wants. He would be such a bad president that we would long for clintoon.

26 posted on 05/14/2004 6:08:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BulletBobCo
Kerry was seen by colleagues as a self-serving, "loose cannon" who came only to launch a political career.

Exactly as I have said. He joined the Navy because JFK did. He volunteered for the Swift Boats because they were similar to PT-109 but he nver dreamed that the swift boats would ever get withing a half mile of shore.

27 posted on 05/14/2004 6:11:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Stoat
This sob can never become our president!

John F. Kerry Sucks

28 posted on 05/14/2004 6:13:01 AM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: Mo1

FReepmail


29 posted on 05/14/2004 6:23:17 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: risk

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 05/14/2004 8:04:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mo1

At least a month ago, if I remember correctly...


31 posted on 05/14/2004 8:07:28 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (You make me feel warm all over. No...wait...I'm soaking in a puddle of my own urine.)
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To: Stoat

"Maybe if Drudge takes an interest in it, then it might get a footnote in the Washington Post a month from now? "

Yeah, actually I was thinking a month after the election...

"Thank God for Free Republic and the internet, or we would never have an opportunity to hear all sides of a story."

Thank God is right PING!!!


32 posted on 05/14/2004 8:11:16 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
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To: Stoat
More than a dozen of Kerry's superior officers and colleagues during the war held a press conference May 4 in Washington to tell Americans the senator is unfit to be commander-in-chief of the United States.

Great news. Where was it reported?

33 posted on 05/14/2004 11:53:03 AM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: Stoat

I was getting ready to put this report into some other sites, but I checked and could not find the referenced article in American Thinker.

Has anyone found it?

I want this information out, but the WND article appears to be totally based on a non-existent (or no longer visible) American Thinker article.

Thanks


34 posted on 05/14/2004 3:53:18 PM PDT by tornadochaser (blogger for Useful Fools http://www.tinyvital.com/blog/)
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To: tornadochaser

Hello, I found the article here:


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3539


and here's the entire article:


Call sign: Boston strangler
May 13th, 2004


Thomas Wright was one of John F. Kerry's fellow Swift boat officers in Vietnam. Since Wright outranked Kerry, he was Kerry's sometime boat group Officer-in-Charge, so Wright had occasion to observe Kerry’s behavior and attitudes, and the circumstances surrounding his early departure from the war zone. The intervening years have not dimmed his memories.

When the Swift boats of Coastal Division 11 sailed into harm’s way from their Phu Quoc Island base of An Thoi, for missions along the rivers of Vietnam’s southwesternmost Kien Giang and An Xuyen provinces, they communicated by radio. When they did, boat captains adopted distinctive, often humorous call signs for identification purposes. Eldon Thompson was “Mary Poppins,” William Schachte was “Baccardi Charlie,” James T. Grace was “Twiggy,” and Tom Wright was “Dudley Do-Right.” When John Kerry radioed another Swift boat, he used the call sign, “Boston Strangler.”

Lieutenant Thomas W. Wright heard that call sign frequently. As OIC (Officer-in-Charge) of PCF-44, he operated with LT (j.g.) Kerry’s 94 Boat on a fairly regular basis. A 1966 graduate of the University of North Carolina’s NROTC program, Wright had served as communications officer aboard the destroyer USS Robert A. Owens before beginning Swift boat training in November 1967. He had already served for eight months with Qui Nhon’s Coastal Division 15 when the monsoon season forced its boats to be shifted to the more protected, and more challenging waters off An Thoi. He decided to extend his tour and follow his disciplined, veteran crew to the new base. As the relatively senior lieutenant there, he was the OTC, or Officer-in-Tactical Command for the majority of the 3-to-6-boat missions. On most of them he commanded 44 Boat.

The rivers and canals of Kien Giang and An Xuyen provinces were the targets of Commander, U.S. Naval Forces, Vietnam, Rear Adm. Elmo Zumwalt’s aggressive SEALORDS operations. Looking back after all these years, Tom Wright, now a retired Commander, recalls: “We planned missions locally to try to dominate the area and disrupt the enemy’s movements. We faced significant challenges every day, every night. We would respond to intelligence reports as appropriate. It took great imagination and determination to work effectively in the rivers, and we remained deployed until material damage and casualties reduced our effectiveness. We would then rotate back to An Thoi for repair and re-arming.”

For Tom Wright and most other Swift boat officers, there were two commandments: 1. Protect the crews. 2. Win. As for Tom Wright’s 44 Boat; “we won every engagement, start to finish. I got the crew home; a few nicks, but we made it.”

Working with call sign “Boston Strangler” became problematical. “I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders,” recalls Wright. “He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives. I believed that overall responsibility rested squarely on the shoulders of the OIC or OTC in a free-fire zone. You had to be right (before opening fire). Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone and you were supposed to kill anyone. I didn’t see it that way.”

In Wright’s view, it was important that the enemy understood that Swift boats were a competent, effective force that could dominate his location. To do that, you also had to control the people and their actions; to have them accept Swift boat crews and their authority. You couldn’t achieve that by indiscriminate use of weapons in free fire zones.

It got to a point where Wright told his divisional commander he no longer wanted Kerry in his boat group, so he was re-assigned to another one. “I had an idea of his actions but didn’t have to be responsible for him.” Then Wright and like-minded boat officers took matters into their own hands. “When he got his third Purple Heart, three of us told him to leave. We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11. Kerry didn’t manipulate the system, we did.”

As for medals, Commander Wright holds strong views: “No one was recognized for completely overwhelming the enemy with skill, courage and bravery. No one wanted a Purple Heart because it meant we had made a mistake. We made sure our crews were recognized, but no one took pride in a Purple Heart. Everyone who served is equally important, regardless of rank or awards.

John B. Dwyer is a military historian, and Vietnam veteran, who served in the Fourth Infantry Division


35 posted on 05/14/2004 4:41:26 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Indie

Hello, re your question "Great news. Where was it reported?"
After a cursory Googling, I am seeing it at NewsMax

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/4/132751.shtml

CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/04/eveningnews/main615566.shtml

and CNS News

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200405/SPE20040503a.html

A more intensive Googling or a Lexis-Nexus search may provide additional examples.


36 posted on 05/14/2004 5:03:47 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat
However, he continued, "Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone, and you were supposed to kill anyone.

Apparently even news of a pic of Kerry holding up a head on a pike wouldn't be enough to stir the media to pick up the story...

John Kerry IS guilty of WAR CRIMES.

37 posted on 05/14/2004 5:08:06 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: All

Readers interested in learning more about the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth press conference on May 4 can find audio, video and text of the conference at this site:

http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm


38 posted on 05/14/2004 5:17:45 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: kellynla; NormsRevenge; Fedora; Interesting Times

ping


39 posted on 05/14/2004 5:55:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: leadpenny; calcowgirl
Kerry, in Vietnam, is what we would have called, "A Goofball."
We had another name for screwups like Kerry in the Marines and we didn't allow them to stay in the bush with us either...they were choppered out ASAP...
John "*uckup" Kerry
Now we know what the "F" in his name really meant! LOL
Too bad it's taken over 30 years for the truth to finally come out!!!
Semper Fi, Kelly
40 posted on 05/14/2004 6:22:08 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Stoat
Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, who headed Coastal Division 11, said Kerry was seen by colleagues as a self-serving, "loose cannon" who came only to launch a political career. Hoffman said Kerry "arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future." "He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard to specific tactical assignments," Hoffman said. "He was a loose cannon."

IMHO, he is, and was a self-serving, "loose cannon" all of his life........

41 posted on 05/14/2004 6:31:15 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: kellynla

I'm sure there was a time when Kerry and his commander had a heart to heart. I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall when his boss said something like, "You're f'd up! Either un-f yourself or you're not going to be in my Navy!"


42 posted on 05/15/2004 2:46:08 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Stoat; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; devolve
bump !

43 posted on 05/17/2004 11:30:29 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: BulletBobCo
Kerry must never get the "football".



44 posted on 05/17/2004 11:36:33 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Stoat


Those who support Kerry...


45 posted on 05/20/2004 4:33:26 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: SAMWolf

Boston Strangler ping


46 posted on 05/20/2004 4:47:18 AM PDT by Samwise (The new media motto: All the news that fits our agenda.)
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To: Stoat
Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives

This rings true.

"Boston Strangler"? That's not a good sign either, to say the least.

47 posted on 05/20/2004 5:06:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Samwise

Bump. Time for the Country to tell Kerry to leave


48 posted on 05/20/2004 6:50:20 AM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.)
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To: Stoat
"I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders," Wright recalled. "He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."

This is exactly why F'n Kerry is having a difficult time finding a running mate. Evidently he thinks only he is good enough and wants to be both president and vice president.

49 posted on 05/20/2004 6:59:01 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina
Evidently he thinks only he is good enough and wants to be both president and vice president With his penchant for taking both sides of an issue, he will be assured of a balanced ticket.
50 posted on 05/20/2004 7:14:50 AM PDT by Samwise (The new media motto: All the news that fits our agenda.)
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