Posted on 05/14/2004 11:09:35 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
I want to throw out a question to fellow FReepers out there: Now that Massachusetts courts have forced homosexual/perverted "marriage" on that state--and the fact that the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution will force every other state to deal with it--what will your reaction be?
I'm assuming, of course, that consistant conservatives (please shut-up libertarians, this question is not for you, OK?) will fight it, hopefully with a constitutional ammendment. There is however, a lot of doubt that such an ammendment will ever pass, and even if it does, it will take several years. Surely other states (perhaps Oregon and California for example) will quickly follow Mass's example down the rabit hole. So lets say, dark-side (but actually realistic, in this case) scenario, that an ammendment fails, or that before it passes YOUR state demands that YOU recognize homosexual "couples" as married. What will you do?
I for one, simply will NOT recognize any court or legislature which presumes to change the divinely established institution of marriage. If I am a landlord, I will refuse to rent to them. If I worked in a courthouse, I would refuse to issue them a license--due to conscience. If I am in other places of authority, I simply will not recognize law such as this, which flies in the face of God ordained law and principle.
No doubt this will be called "bigotry" by the Left--and many so-called moderates too--and compared to Jim Crow attitudes of yesteryear. However, my conscience on sexual behavior is NOT, nor will it ever be biggoted or Jim Crow--I just hope people who believe as I do will stand up and be counted, even if it hurts. We will not be faithful Americans if we do not.
Refuse to respect it and claim freedom of religion as a defense against any law that might be used to tyrannize me into accepting it?
Can't stop progress.
This is progress right?
Persecution is just right down the road for us Christians here in the U.S. It's been mild up to this point, but things will really change with this "issue."
I will not accept nor acknowledge gay "marriages" -- I will side with the Lord Who says that it is abomination in His eyes.
The Massachusetts Legislature already has all the tools that it needs to correct the situation. Article XXX of the Massachutsetts constitution forbids one branch of state government from interfering with the perogatives of the other. The Mass. Supreme court, in ordering the legislature to pass this law, has itself committed a blatently unconstitutional act. The executive powers of the state, in fulfilling their duty to honestly interpet the constitution, should uphold their oaths and refuse to issue the licenses. The legislature should then impeach and remove these judges.
If the elected powers will not restore the proper governmental checks and balances, than the people should engage in massive civil disobedience untill sanity is restored.
The Mass legislature, as a body has surrendered in this case, to a faux principle of adherence to a spurious rule of law and pusinaimouslly deferred to this lawless court. We are not living under the rule of law when an oligharcic robed elite conjure law up, and our elected officials bow in fealty.
Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Have you directly contacted the governor's office to ask about this? And if so, what did they tell you?
If you haven't, maybe it would be a good idea for you to at least try to talk to them. Just this added pressure might get them to take some action.
As good as Romney as been in comparison to your average MA governor, he won't take the fight that far, and the legislature certainly won't.
This is the truly sad thing. Even in leftist MA the populace, executive, and legislative branches are opposed to such a radical change. And on the court itself support is only by the barest majority.
Still, this change will be rammed through MA, and quite possibly the whole country because elected official anywhere will stand up to the judicial dictators.
You are probably right.
If governor, legislature, and populace is against it, and it still goes through -- then we can surely say that the form of government in this country doesn't work anymore. A total breakdown. It is a republic (or some would call it a democracy) in name only.
I've had that feeling for sometime, but guess I just hate to see it spelled out so distinctly.
Massachussetts is where gay marriage has to be stopped. And, pressure needs to be brought on Mitt Romney to do whatever is necessary to stop the gay marriage licenses from being issued.
A yawn.
There are at least 100 social/political/military issues far more pressing than this one.
Even on the topic of marriage, I'm much more bothered by things like "marriages of convenience" (e.g. men/women getting married "in name only" just to get green cards, or financial benefits, etc.) than I am about the concept of same-sex couples who actually want to make a commitment to each other being able to get a certificate for it.
Let's seriously be honest here.
The United States currently is only a representative government in the areas where the courts, most notably the USSC, allows it to be.
Jefferson envisioned just this potential problem and wrote quite eloquently about it. To whit, the writer of the Declaration of Independence and third president, explicitly said the courts do not have the power of judicial interpretation - let alone the power of judicial legislation they have taken in recent years.
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Speak out, O pinglist members! I *almost* wish I lived in Massachusetts so I could figure out how I could protest/perform civil disobedience or the like. Maybe I should move to MA, get hired in some kind of wedding industry related field, and then refuse to serve "gay" customers! Ha, that's it!
Here's a link to a thread with a similar generic theme, comments welcome and some ideas already proposed:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076476/posts
What We Can Do To Defeat the Homosexual Agenda
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist!
Watch my backside.
Correct, Massachussetts is where it must be stoped.
Remember this, politicians, yes even Liberals, and RINOS, care about 2 things, money, and votes. If enough pressure is put on them they will respond. Some will submit to enough phone calls to their office, enough phone calls to their house on weekends is a real attention getter. If that doesn't work 20 people demonstrating with signs, on the sidewalk in front of their house on Sunday will get their attention, if it doesn't, do it again the next Sunday with More People, sooner or later they will get the message.
The main problem with this eventuality is that the liberals will most definitely be able to summon up the irrational hatred against we conservatives that they'd never be able to summon against the terrorists. I wouldn't put a nuclear banzai past them if they manage to get ahold of any missiles. This is why I'm for a nuclear defense shield.
Well, at least we have all the guns and the military is mostly on our side.
Anyways, the gaystapo marches on. I'm sick of this and I was sick of it even when I considered myself homosexual. When is some politician, ANY politician going to stand up and say, "I refuse to pretend this is a legitimate ruling"?
By the way, put a </ ramble> tag in there somewhere.
LOL only interested in listening to those who think your way.
Is it because you may not be sure of your opinions and need them to be reinforced.
Tony
But you are not.
You sound like you are telling other people what they should do.
Stick your neck out a little. Exactly what are you going to do?
What you refer to as "marriages of convenience" can only be further abused by allowing two people of the same sex to marry. For example, an unmarried man or woman that have no interest in a sexual relationship or commitment, could easily marry to provide a friend benefits/citizenship.
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