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Cedillo aide has angry outburst in Catholic church
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Posted on 05/15/2004 4:44:23 AM PDT by Stephen25

  This is what happened friday night, May 14th; apparently this guy is very angry at what I am doing. The following letter is the one I sent to lawmakers, Catholics, and conservative politicial groups. Feel free to pass it along to any interested persons in your circle; they can contact me for further details or a video, if they wish.


I went to the Gil Cedillo SB1160 rally May 14th at 7pm. It was held at Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Church in Santa Ana.

As you may know, I have attended two other of these rallies and reported on them in various media outlets, radio stations and conservative websites, in order to keep this issue in the public eye.

I got a chance to meet Senator Cedillo on April 16th in San Bernardino; and although we didn't come to any agreeement, he was courteous enough to hear my concerns about his voting record, which opposes Catholic teaching. We spoke for about 5 minutes and had a very polite, respectful conversation.

At the Santa Ana meeting friday, Senator Cedillo was joined by Orange County Sheriff Mike Corona and Auxiliary Bishop of Orange Jamie Soto.

I spoke to two Cedillo adies on the way into the meeting; they both knew who I was, and they were perfectly friendly, although one of them told me I was not allowed to film inside.

  At the end of the meeting, I was about to leave and saw a 3rd Cedillo aide who I had spoken to at the rally at Dolores Mision Church in Los Angeles in April.

I said hello, introduced myself, we shook hands; and he apologized for 'being so rough on me' last time. I assume he was referring to the fact that he's the guy who had asked me to turn off my video camera at that meeting (which was reported on KFI's John and Ken show).

He asked for my e-mail address, then our conversation turned to why I was at these meetings; I conveyed my Catholic beliefs and outlined the reasons I was there; which are summed up by Catholic Bishop Michael J. Sheridan of Colorado Springs, who just stated in a pastoral letter:

"Any Catholic politicians who advocate for abortion, for illicit stem cell research or for any form of euthanasia ipso facto place themselves outside full communion with the Church and so jeopardize their salvation. Any Catholics who vote for candidates who stand for abortion, illicit stem cell research or euthanasia suffer the same fateful consequences. It is for this reason that these Catholics, whether candidates for office or those who would vote for them, may not receive Holy Communion until they have recanted their positions and been reconciled with God and the Church in the Sacrament of Penance." [reference: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/may/04051402.html ]

This aide didn't seem to be satisifed with my reasons, and suddenly kept asking "WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA? WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA?" I again emphasized my reasons for being there. He asked me my position on this SB1160 drivers license bill and I stated I didn't agree with it, and that I was a supporter of Tom McClintock. He seemed to become agitated and continued to insist I have an ulterior motive.. I told him to read the Press Enterprise Article which had my statement, or read my fax that I sent to Bishop Barnes of San Bernardino, which outlined my concerns.

He then told me he can see through that, that he's a politician and that "I shouldn't lie in a House of God".

I told him I go to these meetings to keep this issue in the public eye; I told him that through the efforts of me and some other activist friends, we have gotten a lot of radio coverage on this issue, I told him he can listen to that coverage to hear my views, which I've never hidden.

He again asked 'what is your AGENDA' and asked why I am "following them around to all these meetings".

I told him I already answered his questions, and said that they are public meetings. He then told me that they are NOT public, and that I won't be allowed into the next one.

What had started out as a supposedly polite conversation in this church had suddenly gotten tense and ugly.

At that point I pointed my videocam toward him to document his statement that I will not be allowed into the next meeting.

In front of parishoners, he then angrily snapped "do not point that at me." I replied "Sir"... he angrily repeated "do not point that at me". He then stormed off past the Holy Water fountain and headed towards the altar.

The shocked parishoners who had witnessed this asked me who he was; I told them it was a Cedillo aide. He obviously has a short fuse and a temper.. and could no longer hide his apparent bizzare anger at me.

I also took still photos of this man with my 35MM camera. Outside, I flagged down Bishop Soto and spoke to him about what had occured. As far as my pro-life concerns, The Bishop told me that he had mentioned in his speech (in Spanish) that Catholics must not support abortion. I called the aide over to speak with the Bishop and myself; I wanted to clear the air and get everything out into the open.. but the aide refused.

As far as "my agenda": I will tell you what my 'agenda' is. I am a dedicated conservative Republican activist, documentarian, and proud pro-life Roman Catholic. I have never hidden who I am or what I stand for from Cedillo or anyone else.

I support sovereignty, sanctity of life, and all traditional conservative Christian values; and I'm not ashamed to shout it from the rooftops. I support good conservative candidates like CA Assemblymen Ray Haynes, Dennis Mountjoy, Senator Tom McClintock, Ken Maddox, U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, and others with similar values.

By the way, I have sent the videotape of this aides' outburst to all of the above mentioned lawmakers; so they can see first hand the unprofessional, hostile way this man conducts himself.

If this Cedillo aide thinks I am going to be "ashamed" or afraid to express my beliefs because of his attempted intimidation and thuggery, he is very extremely misguided and sadly mistaken.

Senator Cedillo behaved very professionally and courteously when we met on April 16th. I suggest his staff take a lesson from Mr. Cedillo and act in kind. I have spoken on this issue on radio stations KABC, KFI, KBRT, KSPA, KLOS, KGO, KTIE and KRLA; and I will continue to do so.

If this Cedillo aide wants to try to intmidate me from speaking out and expressing my Christian conservative beliefs, I strongly suggest he study the 1st Ammendment which Senator Cedillo encouraged his constituents to practice; and realize that it applies to ALL people, even when he doesn't 'agree' with their views.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: catholicpoliticians; cedillo; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; protest; sb1160

1 posted on 05/15/2004 4:44:24 AM PDT by Stephen25
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To: Stephen25
LOL.

Good for you, keep up the good work.

2 posted on 05/15/2004 4:53:50 AM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org/forum">Traditional Catholic News Forum</a>)
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To: AAABEST; NewRomeTacitus; *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; ...

Thanks! :-D The next meeting is May 23rd at Our Lady of the Rosary Cathedral in San Bernardino. 1:30 pm.
If any Freepers want to go, I will spring for Pizza! ;-)


3 posted on 05/15/2004 5:01:09 AM PDT by Stephen25
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To: Stephen25

Good work! I admire you. This man sounds a little paranoid and brittle, actually. I am truly concerned that this a liberal psychosis. I have heard too many reports lately about bizarre, brittle temper tantrums coming from leftists - usually from the water-carriers, not the hood ornament politicans. They cannot argue and cannot abide contrary opinions. At the bottom they are fractured and have just put coat after coat of good-feeling plaster over it, but it's never enough.


4 posted on 05/15/2004 5:12:44 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Are you a Republican? ARE YOU? Lord Kerry demands an answer!)
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To: AAABEST

Oh yeah i almost forgot; I have been in touch with 2 radio hosts; For those in so. cal, listen for the audio of this meeting & exchange on Monday. Freepmail me for the station call letters. :-) I will post pics of this meeting tomorrow.


5 posted on 05/15/2004 5:13:29 AM PDT by Stephen25
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To: Stephen25
Paranoia, veiled threats and attempts to limit your actions. It sounds like that guy has an agenda. If I were you I'd take one or more friends along to future meetings to insure the brother won't be tempted by sin.


6 posted on 05/15/2004 5:49:31 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Stephen25

Good for you!


7 posted on 05/15/2004 6:12:05 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Stephen25

May God be your stregnth --and sheild. And May He raise up
a host of others inspired by your selfless acts of courage.
I fear the political house erected between 1787-1791 when
the Constitution and Bill of Rights were drafted and ratified. .. I fear that house has been divided too long
by the fraud perpetrated by a Ku KLux Klansman,and a
communistic leader of the ACLU,and the corrupted Court
constructed by FDR (1937-41,where the Klansman,Hugo Black,
the ACLU leader Felix Frankfurter, and justices Reed,Douglas,Murphy,byrnes and Jackson were appointed by FDR) I fear the fraud perpetrated in Everson,1947 shall
bring this nation to desolation.


8 posted on 05/15/2004 6:17:02 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Stephen25

Good work, Stephen! A very interesting report, too.


9 posted on 05/15/2004 7:26:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: Stephen25

Good Report & keep up your good work.


10 posted on 05/15/2004 10:19:07 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Stephen25

Politicians are supposed to represent all the people in their districts, not just one side. This total division is becoming beyond the pale. When they don't even want you to attend their rallies because you might disagree with them, that lets you know that you will not be represented by them in any way at all.


11 posted on 05/15/2004 10:35:40 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Stephen25

I don't know if I get this: the pro-abort pol. holds a campaign event at a CATHOLIC Church, and the AuxBishop claims to have said that 'it's a sin to vote pro-death?'

Bizarre, all-around. Is your Diocese a part of Mahony-land?


12 posted on 05/15/2004 11:04:54 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Stephen25

How can any true follower of Christ, whos' gift to us is life, be for abortion?


13 posted on 05/15/2004 12:23:31 PM PDT by fella
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To: Stephen25

I have found that when people get into positions of power many of them and their staff get extremely arrogant. The best way to annoy them is for people to point out their positions in public and show why they are wrong. Of course this requires persistance and timing. I salute you!


14 posted on 05/15/2004 12:29:39 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: Stephen25
Any Catholic politicians who advocate for abortion, for illicit stem cell research or for any form of euthanasia ipso facto place themselves outside full communion with the Church

What about support for the Death Penalty? Can a real Catholic go against the Church on this? Arguably, the death penalty is on the same moral level as abortion because both are questions about when it is acceptable to kill.

15 posted on 05/15/2004 12:39:56 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: DumpsterDiver

bump


16 posted on 05/15/2004 12:59:45 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Stephen25

Keep up the good work. I recently criticized a spokesperson who was not a nun or priest for speaking on behalf of our Diocese, that people who supported abortion rights would not be denied Holy Communion in this Diocese. Rather, they were to be simply 'privately counseled in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.' The story appeared on the editorial page of the state's leading newspaper. The spokesperson writes for the Diocesan newspaper. I reminded him of the stance taken by a Cardinal in Rome, that Holy Communion should be denied to people supporting abortion, with a 'cc' to the Bishop. The guy wrote back and said he was too busy that week to respond in detail, but would do so the following week. I wrote back, thanking him politely for his response, but saying I actually had hoped to hear the response of our Bishop himself, also 'cc'd' to the Bishop. Nearly two weeks now, with no response from either.

In today's state newspaper, a Church official, I think in Colorado, is admonishing Catholics who receive Holy Communion if they even so much as VOTED for a pro-abortion candidate...

Much like you, I intend to keep fighting, until heard....



17 posted on 05/15/2004 1:19:59 PM PDT by ZOTnot (I'll take the side of Israel. Woe to its enemies.)
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To: breakem

Thanks, I like your advice!


18 posted on 05/15/2004 1:26:03 PM PDT by ZOTnot (I'll take the side of Israel. Woe to its enemies.)
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To: ZOTnot

Your welcome. I'm always available to make suggestions for what others should do. LOL!


19 posted on 05/15/2004 1:27:18 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: xm177e2

"What about support for the Death Penalty? Can a real Catholic go against the Church on this? Arguably, the death penalty is on the same moral level as abortion because both are questions about when it is acceptable to kill."


There is a problem with the concept here. This is a category error in logic.

The Catholic Church recognizes the right of the state to execute someone convicted of a capital crime when the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt of guilt is met.

Abortion is in no way comperable. Abortion is the slaughter of a complete innocent , without a trial, without a crime and most of the time on the decision of the mother based on convenience.

The womans right to chose except in the context of rape comes before the decision to bed, not after.


20 posted on 05/15/2004 9:23:21 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What do they call children in Palestine? Unexploded ordinance)
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To: xm177e2
What about support for the Death Penalty? Can a real Catholic go against the Church on this?

How about stating what the Church's teaching on capital punishment is.

Arguably, the death penalty is on the same moral level as abortion because both are questions about when it is acceptable to kill.

Equating the murder of an innocent human being, abortion, with the execution of a guilty criminal is asinine.

21 posted on 05/17/2004 7:20:32 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Puddleglum; AAABEST; NewRomeTacitus; *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; ...

Thanks for your replies! I agree that being a Christian and pro-abortion doesnt make any sense.

As far as the death penalty question.; that is not a moral equivalent to abortion since thwe person is guilty; and it is not required that Catholics oppose it. Many leftist /socialist bishops try to push their liberal beliefs under the guise of Catholicism.

Capital punishment is not listed as one of the 5 'Non Negotiable' issues, which are: abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthenasia, cloning, and homosexual marriage.


Anyway.. if you want to see the pics of this rally go to http://www.americanpatrol.com


22 posted on 05/17/2004 10:13:45 AM PDT by Stephen25
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To: Stephen25
As far as the death penalty question.; that is not a moral equivalent to abortion since thwe person is guilty; and it is not required that Catholics oppose it.

I believe the Pope made this same point in his encyclical "The Gospel of Life" ( I hope I am remembering the name correctly). He comes across as largely against the death penalty due to the possibility of error in human-run judicial systems, not because of the innocence of some criminals or their lack of continued threat to society.

23 posted on 05/17/2004 11:03:04 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Are you a Republican? ARE YOU? Lord Kerry demands an answer!)
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