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Report: Saddam's [own] Torture Scenes to Be Broadcast!
NewsMax ^ | 5-16-04

Posted on 05/16/2004 7:38:25 AM PDT by jmstein7

Hideously gruesome photographs and videotapes of Saddam Hussein's police torturing innocent Iraqis held at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison are said to be in the hands of the new Arab-language television network Alhurra, which is culling through the material deciding what to broadcast.

Novelist and screenwriter Roger Simon reports on his Web Site that the images include: * Photographs of actual live castrations of Kurds.

* Video tapes of two beheadings, with one featuring the executioners singing "Happy Birthday, Saddam" in Arabic as they carry out the grisly murder.

* More video of a detainee whose hand his tied to a board while his fingers are cut off one by one.

* People being thrown off four-story buildings, including one who was forced to wear a Superman costume.

* A man scourged ninety-nine times.

* Videos of babies being gassed to death.

Writes Simon, "I would like to know if any of these torturers is actually in Abu Ghraib right now. . . . I also would like to know what Senator Kennedy has to say about the moral equivalence of our actions after watching these tapes."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; iraqatrocities; religionofpeace; saddamatrocities
This should be interesting...
1 posted on 05/16/2004 7:38:26 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
People being thrown off four-story buildings, including one who was forced to wear a Superman costume.

Does anyone else get the feeling that this story just jumped the shark?

2 posted on 05/16/2004 7:40:36 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: jmstein7
People being thrown off four-story buildings, including one who was forced to wear a Superman costume.

Sorry but that's funny.

3 posted on 05/16/2004 7:41:08 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic

I've seen some of these... Sean had some a few months ago on H&C. They got no coverage.


4 posted on 05/16/2004 7:43:17 AM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
Senator Kennedy has to say about the moral equivalence of our actions

Kennedy is kind of hard to understand. Look how he killed his own pregnant girlfriend by drowning her --- that wasn't exactly a pleasant death for her I'm sure --- but also his own brother was murdered by an Arab but it doesn't seem to affect him --- unless he's scared they'll get him if he doesn't comply.

5 posted on 05/16/2004 7:43:29 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: jmstein7

Let's see if we see these on the alphabet networks - NOT!


6 posted on 05/16/2004 7:43:32 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim
Let's see if we see these on the alphabet networks - NOT!

Great. Even the Arab stations show them. But not our traitorous alphabet networks.

7 posted on 05/16/2004 7:44:32 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: jmstein7
Go for it! Put it all out there. The sooner the better.
8 posted on 05/16/2004 7:45:12 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: jmstein7

If they can sober up senator kennedy long enough to reply without sluring his words and drooling all over himself.


9 posted on 05/16/2004 7:45:26 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: jmstein7

I remember seeing video of people being thrown off buildings and video of beheadings (stopped just short of the actual act)


10 posted on 05/16/2004 7:45:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: jmstein7

They may be broadcast on Alhurra, but I doubt CBS will be showing them on Sixty Minutes. If we even hear about them anywhere else than FR or NewsMax, it will be surprising.


11 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:10 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: jmstein7

I hope these are widely played in the USA Media. However, I strongly doubt it. The censorship of the left-wing, America haters in the Democrat Party and the USA media will prevent them from being shown. The ace in the hole is widespread distribution on the internet. Go to it! We are all waiting!!!!


12 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:14 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: jmstein7

They may be broadcast on Alhurra, but I doubt CBS will be showing them on Sixty Minutes. If we even hear about them anywhere else than FR or NewsMax, it will be surprising.


13 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:24 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: jmstein7

Oh No. This is the U.S. sponsored network. I don't think this is a good idea......


14 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:29 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: rageaholic
Sorry but that's funny.

Sure.......unless it is you, a loved one or an AMERICAN!

15 posted on 05/16/2004 7:46:53 AM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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To: cripplecreek
cool...will 60 minutes show it...oh for those of you just getting back from church check this out U.S. Athletes Told Not to Carry Flag at Olympics after winning medals..CLICK
16 posted on 05/16/2004 7:48:03 AM PDT by dusty99999
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To: FITZ

He is too drunk with hate and distain for America to know whether he is dead or alive! Being a moron is his smallest problem! This dude in not all there!


17 posted on 05/16/2004 7:49:08 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: jmstein7
Reuters
April 29, 2004

Arabs are watching US TV channel Alhurra - survey

WASHINGTON -- The controversial U.S. Arabic-language TV channel
Alhurra is winning viewers as a news source in the Arab world despite
rising anti-American attitudes in the region, according to a
U.S.-financed poll released on Thursday.

The telephone survey of 3,588 people aged 15 or older in 13 cities was
done by the French research company Ipsos-Stat in early April for the
the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent federal agency
that oversees all U.S. international nonmilitary broadcasting.

The results showed Alhurra -- in its first two months -- is being
watched by an average 29 percent of the satellite-equipped households
in seven countries, including a high of 44 percent in Kuwait and a low
of 18 percent in Egypt.

The survey also found that an average 53 percent of the viewers
consider the channel programming to be reliable or somewhat reliable.
This includes a high of 70 percent reliability felt by Saudis and a
low of 37 percent reliability among Syrians.

"I was very surprised by these numbers," considering all the negative
press in the region saying no one is watching Alhurra and the fact
that a religious "fatwa" edict was issued against the channel in Saudi
Arabia, said Norman Pattiz of the Broadcasting Board of Governors.

"Within the first two months of broadcasting Alhurra has quickly
established itself as a player among satellite stations in the Middle
East," he told a news conference.

Some 40 percent of people in the Middle East have access to satellite
television, Pattiz said.

Many Arab critics have argued that President George W. Bush launched
Alhurra, the "Free One," as a propaganda tool to advance a war on
Islam.

The Americans contend the TV channel is needed to compete for the
hearts and minds of Muslims against pan-Arabic stations Al-Jazeera and
Al-Arabiya, which U.S. officials charge often distort U.S. policy and
are hostile to it.

Pattiz said the survey numbers for Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya are much
higher but still the results for Alhurra are "great indicators."

"Our product is credibility in news and information. If we don't have
that, we're dead in the water," he said.

The station operates 24 hours a day every day and aims to "present
U.S. policies accurately and credibly" through full discussions
representing a variety of viewpoints, he added.

Pattiz said Alhurra and the U.S.-funded Radio Sawa, which also
operates in the Middle East, still have hurdles to overcome in winning
viewers and listeners.

But experience is proving that "if you give them an example of product
that is balanced and that clearly tells all sides of the issues ...
then they will come, and they have," he said.

The Alhurra survey was conducted in Beirut, Lebanon; Damascus and
Aleppo in Syria; Abu Dhabi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates;
Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt; Kuwait City; Amman, Irbid and Zarqa in
Jordan; and Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 7:53:37 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: jmstein7

Do you remember the video of an Iraqi man being pulled screaming from a UN vehicle by iraqi police in the weeks leading up to war? The UN workers simply stepped back as police hauled him and an armload of papers out of their vehicle.

The democrats didnt skip a beat then, I doubt they will now.


20 posted on 05/16/2004 7:54:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: InterceptPoint
The Americans contend the TV channel is needed to compete for the hearts and minds of Muslims against pan-Arabic stations Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, which U.S. officials charge often distort U.S. policy and are hostile to it.

Its not a "charge", its the truth.

Sort of like the Fox News channel for ragheads

21 posted on 05/16/2004 7:57:19 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Foreign leaders for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: jmstein7

I think it is neither interesting or anything we need to watch. The idea here is not "who's worse", in some kind of voyeuristic 'can you top this' ghastly display. I don't know who's worse, the people who will watch it with eyes fixed... Exclaming how horrified they are as they watch it again and again, or the media who just knows us too well.


22 posted on 05/16/2004 7:58:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: jmstein7
I also would like to know what Senator Kennedy has to say about the moral equivalence of our actions after watching these tapes

That must be a rhetorical. Kennedy will be very silent about these tapes. Now, as for the US Military's abuse at the Iraqi prisons and Rumsfeld acting on direct orders from Bush knew that blablahlah.......


[Kennedy has one priority--to get Kerry elected. The Saddam tapes don't fit that agenda; the US Military prisoners' guards tapes do fit that agenda.]
23 posted on 05/16/2004 8:00:54 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: FITZ

Kennedy is easy to understand. He is full of hate for decent people.

Diva's husband


24 posted on 05/16/2004 8:01:22 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Every heart beats true for the red,white and blue)
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To: PISANO

true but it wasn't. Irakis deserved hussein.


25 posted on 05/16/2004 8:02:30 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic

"true but it wasn't. Irakis deserved hussein"



The democrats seem to agree with you.


26 posted on 05/16/2004 8:04:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry, the Eddie Haskell candidate.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Funny how the truth works.


27 posted on 05/16/2004 8:05:37 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Proud father of death from above)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

It's strange but I guess not when you realize it's democrats --- Arafat pays Sirhan Bishara Sirhan to murder RFK --- Hillary kisses Arafat, Ted doesn't seem to have a problem with Arafat either --- would probably give him a big smooch too. What a strange family, what a strange political party.


28 posted on 05/16/2004 8:06:03 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: cripplecreek

I always thought Clinton was the Eddie Haskell candidate and Kerry reminds me more of Lurch.


29 posted on 05/16/2004 8:06:49 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: NCjim
Let's see if we see these on the alphabet networks - NOT!

Why, they can't show those. They would be too horrifying for the American public. That would be irresponsible journalsim. Now, these pics of Abu Glabadaba prison, look how horrifed these poor widdle terrorists insurrectionists are treated. [Pic of prisoner naked with panties on his head.] Oh the inhumanity. And this pic of a prisoner who had his Froot Loops withheld from him. And the smoking gun that connects Rumsfeld who personally ordered this torture of these thugs poor fellows. They self-esteem has suffered so much that they probably won't even be able to return to their terrorizing former jobs after they get released.
30 posted on 05/16/2004 8:08:45 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: cripplecreek

I like pizza. A lot of democrats eat pizza. So what? Those crappy irakis still deserved hussein.


31 posted on 05/16/2004 8:08:59 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Plus he knows he got by with murder. I wonder if he ever sobers up enough to remember that night MaryJo drowned. Poor girl --- drowned by her own married boyfriend.


32 posted on 05/16/2004 8:10:32 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: NCjim

The reason why the left wing media liars live in liberal New York is because if they lived anywhere in normal America various body parts and facial features would be in constant disrepair.


33 posted on 05/16/2004 8:16:49 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: jmstein7

I don't think this is a good idea for the alphabet networks or cable channels to show these. Let this prision abuse BS die already. We have a WAR to WIN and loosing or negotiating are not options!


34 posted on 05/16/2004 8:22:36 AM PDT by BiteMedems (Proud Voter of GWB Term One and Term Two)
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To: rageaholic

35 posted on 05/16/2004 8:24:40 AM PDT by Nick Danger (If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done.)
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To: jmstein7
This video extravaganza is getting to be like an endless replay of Clockwork Orange.

I could not believe what I saw on the Nick Berg video, and trust that there's more of the same in the Sadaam shows. The world needs to know.

And Teddy-boy should be made to watch them all for the rest of his prestoopnik life.

36 posted on 05/16/2004 8:25:46 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Bush '04 --- in a F'n landslide.)
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To: jmstein7

Yup. I remember seeing them on FNC months ago also; I was waiting for these to come back out.

With the media's recent track record they'll probably incorrectly proclaim them as more instances of American abuse while showing them.


37 posted on 05/16/2004 8:34:12 AM PDT by gore_sux (and so does Xlinton)
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To: rageaholic

NOBODY deserved Hussein, and when did the Iraqis ever get to vote for an alternative?

Whereas in the US we do get to vote in the government we deserve. Fortunately, in the 2000 election, the Infinite Power gave us the government we really needed. Just a little jiggling with the Electoral College, there, by putting nearly all the fraudulent votes in the 'Blue' states, and preventing an overturn of the more nearly honest results in Florida.


38 posted on 05/16/2004 8:44:22 AM PDT by alloysteel (Live well and prosper. Beam me up, Scottie....)
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To: alloysteel
NOBODY deserved Hussein, and when did the Iraqis ever get to vote for an alternative?

After Desert Storm, Poppy Bush encouraged the Irakis to rebel against Hussein, and after a few shots, they gave up and cried about how they were betrayed by the evil Americans.

39 posted on 05/16/2004 8:47:24 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Lunatic Fringe
--- Does anyone else get the feeling that this story just jumped the shark??---

Not in the mainstream media...They're in a feeding frenzy. But something always happens to put things into perspective. I thought the Berg story would do it. but many Americans aren't really aware of it. I'm amazed that my own family just knows about it in a vague sense.

40 posted on 05/16/2004 8:52:20 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: jmstein7
If you post two articles with pretty much the same content to the breaking news sidebar, then you are all but ensuring that one of them (usually the newer) is going to get yanked.

A better idea, if you have some updated information to add, would be to ask the mods to add some content to the existing thread.

Also, the BN sidebar is not really meant for trying to force stories to get more exposure. Frontpage might be a better choice for that.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 8:59:46 AM PDT by Lead Moderator
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