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2004 Crop Circle Season Live Thread
Crop Circle News ^ | Sunday, May 16, 2004

Posted on 05/16/2004 10:10:33 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

First Significant UK formation of 2004 spotted

On May 3, near Deacon Hill in Bedfordshire, UK, the first significant formation of the year has been spotted in a flowering field of oil seed rape.

The formation is similar in design to the 2003 Locust Grove, Ohio formation that appeared close to the Serpent Mound earthwork.

Although it has been raining rather steadily, since being spotted, the formation has been inspected, and there have been some details that have emerged which may indicate the formation may be not have been a human mechanically-made one.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arkansas; art; circle; circles; crop; cropcircle; cropcircles; formation; italy; notalivethread; poland; season; uk
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1 posted on 05/16/2004 10:10:33 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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2 posted on 05/16/2004 10:11:44 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Mickey Mouse?


3 posted on 05/16/2004 10:13:00 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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4 posted on 05/16/2004 10:14:33 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Bullseye!

Crop circles

5 posted on 05/16/2004 10:16:04 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Momaw Nadon

Ah! Looks quite different not foreshortened...


6 posted on 05/16/2004 10:16:04 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Momaw Nadon; blam
See also 'Fairy Circles' Of Africa Baffle Scientists 5-10-2004 Posted on 05/09/2004 9:13:17 PM EDT by blam
7 posted on 05/16/2004 10:16:12 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind "Save wear and tear on your mouse: Oct 5, 2001 is my sign up date")
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To: Quix

Ping!


8 posted on 05/16/2004 10:16:24 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

ping


9 posted on 05/16/2004 10:17:09 AM PDT by dennisw (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Momaw Nadon

Art Bell alert!


10 posted on 05/16/2004 10:21:11 AM PDT by sathers
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To: sathers; Art Bell

ping!


11 posted on 05/16/2004 10:22:43 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Tegdown Hill, Patcham, near Brighton, East Sussex, England.
Reported on May 9, 2004.


12 posted on 05/16/2004 10:27:33 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: bwteim

Crop circles are man made. (end of story)


13 posted on 05/16/2004 10:30:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: null and void
Art and his kittie will investigate this matter!


14 posted on 05/16/2004 10:30:12 AM PDT by sathers
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To: blam

They are still interesting, regardless of source...


15 posted on 05/16/2004 10:32:49 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: blam

Yeah, but sometimes they're a welcome diversion.


16 posted on 05/16/2004 10:36:40 AM PDT by bwteim ("Begin With The End In Mind" Save wear and tear on your mouse: Oct 5, 2001 is my sign up date.)
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To: sathers

A few people have explained over and over (on several documents) on how they form the crop circles. It is a lot of work!


17 posted on 05/16/2004 10:39:32 AM PDT by the lone highschooler (DON'T STEAL: the government hates competition!)
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To: null and void

They may be interesting but I sure wish these clowns would wait until the crop is harvested before they start doodling.


18 posted on 05/16/2004 10:39:36 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: TexasTransplant

But then, it wouldn't be Art (Bell)...


19 posted on 05/16/2004 10:41:13 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: blam
Crop circles are man made. (end of story)

Sounds like the beginning of a story. Has any man ever been caught in the act of making one? How are they made? Why are they made? Who comes up with the designs and what do they mean if anything? How many men does it take to make one like this one and how long does it take? How many people worldwide are involved in making crop circles and why has no one ever ratted out the perpetraters? Sounds like a very big story that has yet to be told.

Whatever happened to critical thinking?

20 posted on 05/16/2004 10:42:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: Momaw Nadon
This one looks like a cinnamon roll to Me, the first one kinda looks like Arafat.
21 posted on 05/16/2004 10:43:01 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: ChefKeith

I thought the first one looked like an Arab in a turban.


22 posted on 05/16/2004 10:45:23 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye
Are space aliens, fairies, or eeeeevil spirits more plausible in your mind?
23 posted on 05/16/2004 10:45:47 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: null and void

No. Why do you ask that?


24 posted on 05/16/2004 10:46:48 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: TigersEye

After reading your post, I'm curious what you think is the cause.


25 posted on 05/16/2004 10:49:02 AM PDT by null and void (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TexasTransplant
They may be interesting but I sure wish these clowns would wait until the crop is harvested before they start doodling.

Then they wouldn't be called "crop circles" would they?

26 posted on 05/16/2004 10:51:11 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: blam

Can't remember where I read it but someone suggested that it could be either some bored techie doodling, via satellite lasers or psyops by our government, using the same method, to see how we'd handle contact with aliens.

Hey, it's as good as any other theory. Has anybody ever done a correlation, if any, between the flight paths of satellites and the circles? Maybe some spy satellite orbits aren't known.

Things to ponder on a Sunday afternoon.


27 posted on 05/16/2004 10:51:51 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: Momaw Nadon

Thanks. I've been waiting for a good crop circle thread.


28 posted on 05/16/2004 10:52:02 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (If we had some eggs, we could have bacon and eggs if we had some bacon. --unknown Freeper)
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To: TigersEye
"Has any man ever been caught in the act of making one?"

Yes. They've even been filmed doing it.

"How are they made?"

With basic mathematics, rope, and wood boards.

"Why are they made?"

For artistic reasons, for a challenge, and for fun.

"Who comes up with the designs and what do they mean if anything?"

The makers come up with the designs; some have meaning (some have been used as advertisements!), and some are purely interesting shapes.

"How many men does it take to make one like this one and how long does it take?"

Usually 2-6 people. A complicated circle can be completed in one night. Most simple ones take a few hours.

"How many people worldwide are involved in making crop circles and why has no one ever ratted out the perpetraters?"

Some hundreds are involved. Some have freely admitted to it. See circlemakers.org. Since it's not a major crime, there is no reason to "rat out" anyone.

29 posted on 05/16/2004 10:52:48 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: sathers
Art Bell alert!

His guest, Linda Moulton-Howe, actually. I think her site is earthfiles.com

30 posted on 05/16/2004 10:54:06 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TigersEye

A few guys with some rope, stakes and boards. A well planned agenda. A basic knowledge of geometry and surveying. Some flashlights.

A cool hobby for science geeks, it seems to me! Gets your technical and artistic cravings satisfied.


31 posted on 05/16/2004 10:54:26 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: raybbr

OTOH, they could do them in feed lots. Then they'd be crap circles...


32 posted on 05/16/2004 10:55:01 AM PDT by null and void (*ducking*)
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To: blam
Crop circles are man made. (end of story)

I'm not refuting your statement and I am not making a case for anything ET but I'd like to know how the folks that feel they are man-made explain some of the things that are found near the center of some of these formations.

Such as the differences seen at the molecular level in the seeds of affected crops near the center as opposed to those further towards the outside of some formations.

Also, how is it that in some formations, the stalks are broken at the base...leaving little to the imagination as to how they are bent...but on other formations, not a single stalk shows any sign of damage at the base...they are simply bent and look as if they grew that way.

Just curious how some folks account for these anomalies in an overnight, man-made formation.

33 posted on 05/16/2004 10:55:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (`,,`,,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,,`,,`)
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To: null and void
They are still interesting, regardless of source...

Unless you're the farmer, and it turns out to be a net loss...

34 posted on 05/16/2004 10:55:21 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TigersEye
"Sounds like the beginning of a story. Has any man ever been caught in the act of making one? How are they made? Why are they made? Who comes up with the designs and what do they mean if anything? How many men does it take to make one like this one and how long does it take? How many people worldwide are involved in making crop circles and why has no one ever ratted out the perpetraters? Sounds like a very big story that has yet to be told.

Whatever happened to critical thinking?
"

Whatever happened to Google?

35 posted on 05/16/2004 10:55:23 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his strideMax Lerner)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Bush's fault


36 posted on 05/16/2004 10:58:27 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Bush/Rice/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell '04 - Patriots all)
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To: TigersEye

All it needs is Crosshairs for targeting


37 posted on 05/16/2004 10:59:14 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: null and void

I don't have a thought on what or who causes them. If they are manmade then the questions I posed have answers. I have not seen plausible answers to any of them. Therefore it is the beginning of a very interesting story ... not the end. As you say "they're a welcome diversion."


38 posted on 05/16/2004 11:00:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: ChefKeith

39 posted on 05/16/2004 11:00:25 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: null and void

Have you ever noticed that crop circles always appear nine days before a secret Bilderburger subcommittee meeting?


40 posted on 05/16/2004 11:00:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: null and void
Or... in south Los Angeles and then they'd be...

Crip circles.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 11:01:29 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: G.Mason
I love crop circles. We even had one where I live about 4 or 5 years ago. Just a mini one -- but no logical explanation.

I'm positive some are made by humans, but are THAT many people in the world designing crop circles all over the globe?

42 posted on 05/16/2004 11:02:54 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: raybbr

*groan*


43 posted on 05/16/2004 11:05:43 AM PDT by null and void
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To: raybbr

Then they wouldn't be called "crop circles" would they?

These "Artists" call them "crop circles" technically they amount to Vandleism (tagging a farmers field).


44 posted on 05/16/2004 11:05:45 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: varina davis

Yes


45 posted on 05/16/2004 11:06:52 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: Long Cut
With basic mathematics, rope, and wood boards.

I have heard that convincingly debunked as impossible with the larger more complicated designs.

The makers come up with the designs; some have meaning (some have been used as advertisements!)

I have never seen a pic of one used as an advertisement or of any known symbol from human history. I'll check the site you gave address to.

Since it's not a major crime, there is no reason to "rat out" anyone.

I didn't mean that in the sense that a crime was committed but I would in fact think that farmers don't appreciate it and it would be a crime to destroy their property. I used the term only as a manner of speaking since their origins have created so much interest. One would think the creators would take credit, give interviews, write articles and so on and on ...

46 posted on 05/16/2004 11:07:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: null and void
I couldn't help myself. :^}
47 posted on 05/16/2004 11:08:32 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: TigersEye
"I didn't mean that in the sense that a crime was committed but I would in fact think that farmers don't appreciate it and it would be a crime to destroy their property. I used the term only as a manner of speaking since their origins have created so much interest. One would think the creators would take credit, give interviews, write articles and so on and on ..."

Some farmers actually agree to let them do it. As far as the debunking goes, the makers have actually filmed themselves doing it, so you'll have to check those debunkers. You might be dealing with some Art Bell types there.

The makers HAVE given interviews, taken credit, and have written articles. Start at with Circlemakers, and go from there.

48 posted on 05/16/2004 11:12:56 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I'd love to know how these get made in the hundreds all over the world.


49 posted on 05/16/2004 11:14:12 AM PDT by TheLurkerX ("Of course liberals always seem p*ssed off. You would be too if you wore 2 left shoes.")
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To: ovrtaxt
A few guys with some rope, stakes and boards. A well planned agenda. A basic knowledge of geometry and surveying. Some flashlights.

It would be extremely difficult to plot out a complicated design amidst crops and then execute the flattening of the crops accurately without setting up transits, running guide lines, pulling lines with expanding or diminishing arcs as in a French Curve (as some CS designs have) and leaving a huge mess of plants disturbed and ground trodden outside the designe itself. That sort of thing may be evident in some CS's but not in many that I have looked at. (in pics. never saw one firsthand) And all this is accomplished without being noticed, spending hours with flashlights in a field.

50 posted on 05/16/2004 11:14:48 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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