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Punk Rock, Diversity, and the Gonzo Conservatives
ConservativePunk.com ^ | April 6, 2004 | Dave Smalley

Posted on 05/16/2004 10:31:25 AM PDT by mattdono

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This is an interesting group of folks. Posting it for review, reference, and comment.
1 posted on 05/16/2004 10:31:26 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: mattdono
Gonzo conservatives have done and seen things their fathers never could have imagined,...

Such as storming the beaches at Normandy?

2 posted on 05/16/2004 10:34:48 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: mattdono
Not a punk fan(more into Southern and classic Rock), but conservatism is a big tent. It's not just the suit crowds.

Good points.

3 posted on 05/16/2004 10:36:57 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I bury those cockroaches")
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To: mattdono
Reagan appealed to the punk (and metal) crowds by not pushing "cultural conservativism". When the Buchanan crowd got it back on the agenda in 1992, it backfired.

-Eric

4 posted on 05/16/2004 10:39:52 AM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: The Duke
Well no, but I give this crowd credit. They have been locked in a war with liberal nut-case teachers their whole life. It is a wonder that they could possibly know what being conservative even is.

I might add, there is a large portion of conservative punks who are in the military, fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, and facing the war on terrorism square.

Its not the same as WWII, but it's just as heroic in my opinion.

5 posted on 05/16/2004 10:44:43 AM PDT by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: mattdono

For one thing, the original punk rock was one of many passing genres that emerged in the late '70s as a backlash against the insincere, corporate formulaic music that was dominant at that time [Disco mostly, but also there were some cash-driven rock bands as well].

We also called it New Wave or New Muzik, whatever. I know, I was there listening to the Ramones, Iggy & the Stooges, Generation X, Television, Talking Heads, Devo, etc.

For the most part, the cultural side of this movement was apolitical -- really was more sure of what it was AGAINST than what it was for. That is, necessarily a transitional stage. Eventually one must step up to the plate and offer cogent analysis leading to solutions [see the website in my tagline].

The political evolution that is described was certainly the case for me personally. I saw even in those days that the Left were not the 'Progressives' they purported themselves to be.

Many of my contemporaries saw them as Medievalist reactionaries who harbor a fundamental disdain for the general population. They are elitists who believe that a cadre of Philosopher Kings should be more equal than others, running a benign tyranny for our own good.

I was deeply impressed by Ronald Reagan's rhetoric and, although he seemed to have little chance of winning [the media was extremely hostile], I voted for him in 1980 at age 21.

This was the beginning of the time when college students were tending to be to the right of their professors. The hippies -- a decade our senior -- were baffled at why we were not going to carry the torch, continuing America's 'progress' toward National Socialism.

A classic representation of their perspective of my generation was the TV show 'Family Ties.' There we had the conniving, greedy Alex Keaton and his airhead sister Mallory. Offering a hopeful 'alternative' [Leftist bromides] was the younger sister [played by Tina Youthers].

Perhaps the author is using the punk rock appelation today, because youngsters now are actually thinking much as we did 20 years ago -- even their music is sounding similar [much more positive and optomistic than the dreary 90s grunge drivel].

Further, today's youngsters are more patriotic than their 30-something elders.


6 posted on 05/16/2004 11:00:54 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: The Duke
Such as storming the beaches at Normandy?

That's not at all the kind of thing he's thinking. I've noticed many times that the young seem to think that their generation was the first to discover sex, drugs, rock & roll and a fear of dying young.

When I tell them about duck and cover drills, the original Woodstock (no, I wasn't there, but I remember the time), Kent State and how I came very close to being beat up in school because I supported Nixon, they usually say something like, "I've heard of that stuff, but my folks are so straight they never even knew it was happening!" - Which is obviously ridiculous.

Let them think they're special. I see no problem at all with a few "gonzo" conservatives, as long as they really are Conservatives.

7 posted on 05/16/2004 11:05:48 AM PDT by irv
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To: gonzo
ping to you, punk.

;^)

8 posted on 05/16/2004 11:06:39 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: walford
The hippies -- a decade our senior -- were baffled at why we were not going to carry the torch, continuing America's 'progress' toward National Socialism.

Their reaction to that bafflement was, and continues to be, rage. And they grow ever more baffled at people who, rather than being intimidated by that righteous rage, just turn away, like the author of this piece.

9 posted on 05/16/2004 11:12:18 AM PDT by irv
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To: Willie Green; gonzo

Is it true? Double ping to gonzo..


10 posted on 05/16/2004 11:18:09 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Every heart beats true for the red,white and blue)
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To: walford
Further, today's youngsters are more patriotic than their 30-something elders.

I saw a pole the other day organized by age bracket. It's true. 18-25. YES!

11 posted on 05/16/2004 11:28:47 AM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: walford

writ good. bravo.


12 posted on 05/16/2004 11:34:03 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: walford
We also called it New Wave or New Muzik, whatever. I know, I was there listening to the Ramones, Iggy & the Stooges, Generation X, Television, Talking Heads, Devo, etc.

These bands were for the most part nihilistic and or drug-addled (eg: Iggy - "Now I wanna be your dog.", "Fun - I'm gonna get stoned and run around") - hardly embodiments of conservative sensibilities. Television, however, especially Marquee Moon, was great art!

13 posted on 05/16/2004 11:35:22 AM PDT by Huber (Clinton's military policies caused the Abu Ghraib debacle)
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To: mattdono
Once upon a time I had a 'Harriet Tubman' t-shirt. Cost me .88 cents at VelVaSheen in Cincinnati. They were a t-shirt printing company and used to sell their misprints and over stocks for in their discount shop. Great deals.
14 posted on 05/16/2004 11:38:32 AM PDT by Khurkris (Ranger On...revenge, grudge, payback...call it what you will. The knives are comin' out.)
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"These bands were for the most part nihilistic and or drug-addled"

Well, as I said it was a transitional stage...some just never left it. Most of us moved forward, but there were times of despair, especially when Bubba was in office.


15 posted on 05/16/2004 11:42:54 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: E Rocc

And they have come back in full force this year.


16 posted on 05/16/2004 2:06:01 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: mattdono
Thanks for posting this. I was planning to last week when I did research for my rebuttal to this article:

George W Bush: Punk icon?

17 posted on 05/16/2004 6:00:33 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: bc2; qam1

Xer/Rock & Roll double PING!


18 posted on 05/16/2004 6:03:11 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: E Rocc
Reagan appealed to the punk (and metal) crowds by not pushing "cultural conservativism".

"Just Say No!" to drugs was a heavy message promoted by Nancy Reagan (along with Ronald).

AIDS activists think he didn't do enough to help the homosexual community (because of their hedonistic lifestyle choice).

Tipper Gore was the one leading the charge for music censorship, however.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 6:06:26 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: walford
really was more sure of what it was AGAINST than what it was for.

RAMONES
"I'm Against It"

Well I'm against it
I'm against it
Well I'm against it
I'm against it
I don't like politics
I don't like communists
I don't like games and fun
I don't like anyone
And I'm against...
I don't like Jesus freaks
I don't like circus geeks
I don't like summer and spring
I don't like anything
I don't like sex and drugs
I don't like waterbugs
I don't care about poverty
All I care about is me
And I'm against...
I don't like playing ping pong
I don't like the Viet Cong
I don't like Burger King
I don't like anything
And I'm against...
Well I'm against it
I'm against it


[ www.azlyrics.com ]


20 posted on 05/16/2004 6:22:02 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Welcome home Thomas Hamill !!!)
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