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NRA's Eye Is Fixed on Bush
LA Times ^ | May 16, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 05/16/2004 2:09:18 PM PDT by neverdem

Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi or other weapon of mass murder under their arm.

Unless Congress acts — and Republican leaders show no inclination to do so — the 10-year-old federal assault gun ban will expire Sept. 13. A word from President Bush would get a renewal before lawmakers, a majority of whom would probably approve it. But the president is silent.

Most people, including most gun owners, are properly alarmed. A survey released last month by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 71% of those surveyed and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

But congressional leaders, too accustomed to taking marching orders from the National Rifle Assn., have stymied the reauthorization bill that Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), John W. Warner (R-Va.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced last year.

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KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; awb; bang; banglist; billfrist; charleseschumer; diannefeinstein; georgewbush; guncontrol; gunregistration; jdennishastert; johnwwarner; nra; secondamendment
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Boo hoo, woe is the LA Times.

On a serious note, IIRC, John Warner's only serious opponent in the last election was a big 'L' Libertarian. The rats declined to waste money on an oppnent. If he goes for another term, someone has to take him on in a primary election.

1 posted on 05/16/2004 2:09:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: *bang_list; Travis McGee

BANG


2 posted on 05/16/2004 2:10:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Most people, including most gun owners, are properly alarmed. A survey released last month by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 71% of those surveyed and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

The key is how "those surveyed" were selected.

My guess is that people like me, for instance, were not very likely to be selected...

3 posted on 05/16/2004 2:12:30 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: neverdem
I don't recall that fully automatic weapons were legal before the "assault weapons ban" Where they?
5 posted on 05/16/2004 2:16:43 PM PDT by novacation
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To: neverdem
Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi or other weapon of mass murder under their arm.

That's for sissies and punks. I prefer running 'em down with an SUV. I like watching them bounce off the pavement.

6 posted on 05/16/2004 2:17:34 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: neverdem
"weapon of mass murder"

Nice phrase, give that pinhead a raise! (/sarcasm)

Molon Labe!

7 posted on 05/16/2004 2:17:44 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: neverdem; All
"weapon of mass murder..."

And a new talking point/buzzword is born!!!

8 posted on 05/16/2004 2:18:19 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: neverdem

funny, I'm a gun owner and I was never asked....


9 posted on 05/16/2004 2:19:01 PM PDT by kiki04 (think people!)
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To: neverdem
Most people, including most gun owners, are properly alarmed. A survey released last month by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 71% of those surveyed and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

I wonder what their definition of owner is.

or other weapon of mass murder

We cannot be homophobes, but we can be gunophobes... hmmmmm

Me think the LA times should be sued for inciting hate crime.

Typical of liberals to cast stones and bullets first against those carrying a firearm.

10 posted on 05/16/2004 2:19:05 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Hantra; EternalHope

I think they polled the gun owners in Mexico and Cuba.


11 posted on 05/16/2004 2:19:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: JudgemAll

Typical of liberals to cast stones and bullets first against those carrying a firearm.

and no wonder they love terrorists.


12 posted on 05/16/2004 2:19:50 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: neverdem
A survey released last month by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 71% of those surveyed and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

What I find so hard to understand is why so few people understand that rights have nothing to do with popularity.

13 posted on 05/16/2004 2:20:01 PM PDT by blanknoone (How many flips would a flip-flop flop if a flip-flop could flop flips?)
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To: neverdem
The Los Angeles Times has never been honest about the 2nd Amendment issues. They have always incorrectly and intentionally identified almost any semi-automatic firearm as an "AK-47."

Automatic weapons, and the permits to hold such weapons, are still covered under appropriate federal laws.

14 posted on 05/16/2004 2:20:57 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: novacation

Yes. A tax stamp is deemed necessary by some tryants since 1934. Of course we all know, there is no such thing as an illegal weapon.


15 posted on 05/16/2004 2:21:20 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: neverdem
Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle
LOL, I can do that today if I want to, saw one in a pawn shop last weekend.
16 posted on 05/16/2004 2:23:03 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: JudgemAll
The term is not 'gunphobia' but hoplophobia. See here.
17 posted on 05/16/2004 2:24:05 PM PDT by mbraynard
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To: neverdem
But congressional leaders, too accustomed to taking marching orders from the National Rifle Assn.,

Yeah, I'd like to know when that happened.
18 posted on 05/16/2004 2:24:20 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Hey libs, would you like some Kool-Aid to go along with your candidate's waffles?)
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To: neverdem
See, if you take the advice of the NAACP, NOW etc, those are informed decisions and "grass roots political action". If you listen to the NRA its "marching orders"

But, there's no liberal bias. I can tell the author is pro-gun, can't you!

19 posted on 05/16/2004 2:25:00 PM PDT by Fire137
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To: TERMINATTOR

Thanks. Sure is a comfort to know that only drug dealers, illegal alien smugglers, and other assorted thugs are the only ones who will have automatic weapons.


20 posted on 05/16/2004 2:25:47 PM PDT by novacation
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To: neverdem
Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi or other weapon of mass murder under their arm.

I intend to, as soon at the AWB expires, if the Republicans have the guts to let it.

21 posted on 05/16/2004 2:26:05 PM PDT by aomagrat (Where arms are not to be carried, it is well to carry arms.")
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To: EternalHope

Yeah, they probably conducted a "screening" poll first, then armed with the knowledge of how specific individuals would vote, could assemble the sample for the second, reported, poll. Either that, or they conducted the survey at the Several Sucker Stroll (Million Mom March).


22 posted on 05/16/2004 2:26:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: novacation

Full auto MGs made before 1986, IIRC, could be bought in some states if you paid a tax, maybe $200.00, to the Feds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Volkmer - McClure Act prohibited civilian purchases of new MGs after 1986.


23 posted on 05/16/2004 2:26:42 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: novacation

"Fully automatic weapons have been restricted in the United States since the National Firearms Act of 1934, available only to police, military personnel, and private individuals who manage to obtain permission from the US Treasury Dept, pass an extensive background check, fully register the firearm and continually update the owner's address and location of the firearm and pay a $200 transfer tax. Some states require state permission as well. The US Treasury Dept. lists only a few hundred thousand lawfully owned fully automatic weaponss. The bulk of these are owned and used in the motion picture industry."


24 posted on 05/16/2004 2:27:08 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: neverdem

So...what's the deal with the 10-shot magazine ban ?

I think that in these days of foreign murderers in our country...and our own violent drug gangs...

..and "because"...and like I always used a "bananna clip" on my bolt-action .22 at the range when I was but a tiny pup...and that those who have or can afford to buy...and it is a pain in the dew-claw to load only 10 in these pretty 30-rounders....to say nothing of the highly desirable facial expressions and feet-beating back down the trail from whence they came on our rural property when they behold that black chunk of steel protruding from a stainless mini-14..

...and did I mention "because" we are still "free" Americans, and blow off tons of fireworks every JULY 4th...not because they're only pretty...but to tell the WORLD something it certainly seems they have forgotten about FREE people...who didn't just have it painlessly handed to them by their "keepers"...

...because.


25 posted on 05/16/2004 2:28:01 PM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Give me Liberty...or give me Lunch" (with enough lunch, I'll figure out how to TAKE Liberty myself)
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To: neverdem
"64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban."

That is false. It is no where near that number.

26 posted on 05/16/2004 2:28:23 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: EternalHope
My guess is that people like me, for instance, were not very likely to be selected...

Golly, they didn't call me either...

27 posted on 05/16/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: neverdem

This is an issue that should give Kerry a lot of grief. He is a gun grabber from way back, and has an "F" rating from the NRA.


28 posted on 05/16/2004 2:29:12 PM PDT by I still care
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To: blanknoone
I would love to see this university do a complete study on how many homicides were attributed to the "banned" weapons 10 years prior to and then the ten years during the ban. But it won't happen because in all likelyhood would show an almost zero benifit
29 posted on 05/16/2004 2:30:58 PM PDT by Fire137
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To: neverdem; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; Ligeia; ...
"...John Warner's only serious opponent in the last election was a big 'L' Libertarian..."

Actually, there was no one on the ballot but Big Jawn. A number of us VA FReepers conducted a mini write-in campaign for Ollie North. But didn't get too far with it.

"If he goes for another term, someone has to take him on in a primary election."

I really think he will retire at the end of this term and not seek re-election in '08. There are a number of conservatives waiting for such an event: Congressmen Robert Goodlatte, Randy Forbes, and Eric Cantor for certain. But none of these three would challenge Big Jawn in a primary. Too scared.

30 posted on 05/16/2004 2:34:53 PM PDT by sultan88 ("I went down Virginia, seeking shelter from the storm...")
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To: I still care
Okay, hunker down everyone!

When the cosmetically incorrect firearms ban expires, every shooting anywhere with a scary-looking gun will make the news; and buckets of tears will be shed about how Bush and the Republicans and the NRA have killed this promising young man, sweet baby, fabulous woman, etc. in cold blood.

31 posted on 05/16/2004 2:35:11 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: neverdem

Guess I'm a mass-murderer, then.


32 posted on 05/16/2004 2:35:40 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

if that is true..why are are there 2000 gun laws on the books today??

we recently had a moron in the La. legislature try to pass a gun law that was seemingly harmless, but got smacked down bad...seems as though, as socialistic and domineering, the selected few are, they know the citizens of this state quite well.

They know we won't put up with this nonsense and will vote 'em out, burn 'em out or kill 'em out.

lots of swamps here and lots of hungry gators and turtles in them swamps.


33 posted on 05/16/2004 2:36:30 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: neverdem
On a serious note, IIRC, John Warner's only serious opponent in the last election was a big 'L' Libertarian. The rats declined to waste money on an oppnent. If he goes for another term, someone has to take him on in a primary election.

I wholeheartedly agree. Warner is worthless. I stopped calling his office because I got tired of debating his aides. "Whay's wrong with more gun control laws?" Serving on the armed services committe he should realize that arms control only works if both sides adhere to them. The only people these additional gun control laws effect are law-abiding citizens. Even his staff are a bunch of Rinos. At least we have one good Senator here in VA. Of course, before I moved here to VA my two senators were Kerry and Kennedy. So at least my glass is half full.

34 posted on 05/16/2004 2:37:36 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: neverdem
Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi

The editor of LA Times claims I'll be able to step right in and buy an UZI? Is that a promise?? Because I'll sure be lined up to buy one.

Now, would it be possible with a class action lawsuit against the LA times if their claim fails to come through?

35 posted on 05/16/2004 2:40:03 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: neverdem
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Volkmer - McClure Act prohibited civilian purchases of new MGs after 1986.

The act prevented any new fully automatic weapons from being bought and sold in civilian hands if the weapon was first registered after 1986. If the weapon was first registered before 1986, it can still be legally bought, sold and possessed under federal law both now and in the future. (Of course, not all states allow these weapons, but that's another matter.)

36 posted on 05/16/2004 2:50:32 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: neverdem

So, in summary, I think that what you wrote about the law is correct.


37 posted on 05/16/2004 2:51:33 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: neverdem

This article is full of LIES. The only thing this law applies to is the 10 round magazine limit and the pistol grips and bayonet lugs. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FULL AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.


38 posted on 05/16/2004 2:51:59 PM PDT by E.Allen
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To: neverdem

They won't be carrying them out of the gun stores in California!


39 posted on 05/16/2004 2:53:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: DonaldDuke

It sure ain't gonna happen in California! We've got our own "AW ban". Very few "registered" their "AW's", so we're well armed for when the confiscation attempt comes. Of course, I don't know anybody who has one, and they fell in the lake on a hunting trip anyway!


40 posted on 05/16/2004 2:57:31 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: capitan_refugio

Thanks


41 posted on 05/16/2004 3:01:06 PM PDT by novacation
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To: neverdem

Why should Bush carry the Democrats' dirty water? If they want an anti-gun bill, let them push it.


42 posted on 05/16/2004 3:02:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sultan88

thanks for the ping. Good stuff!


43 posted on 05/16/2004 3:07:02 PM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: Long Cut
And a new talking point/buzzword is born!!! well, you know that no mass murders took place AFTER the assualt weapons ban.
44 posted on 05/16/2004 3:11:00 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: capitan_refugio
"...The US Treasury Dept. lists only a few hundred thousand lawfully owned fully automatic weaponss. The bulk of these are owned and used in the motion picture industry."

I reckon this must be a meeting of the Screen Actors Guild (Knob Creek, Kentucky chapter).

45 posted on 05/16/2004 3:12:18 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: TERMINATTOR

Would that make them weapons of mass dstruction? Since the Iraqis insurgents have automatic AK47s doesn't that mean we've found the weapons of mass destruction? Does the press know about this?


46 posted on 05/16/2004 3:12:59 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: cajun-jack
lots of swamps here and lots of hungry gators and turtles in them swamps.

Yep... and folks always need crab bait.

47 posted on 05/16/2004 3:14:12 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: neverdem

Does this mean I can finally get some Hi-Cap mags for my Glock?? Always wanted to fire 15 rounds from a pistol without reloading.


48 posted on 05/16/2004 3:15:52 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: sultan88
"...none of these three would challenge Big Jawn in a primary. Too scared."

Then we need to find and promote a candidate who ain't scair't...MUD

49 posted on 05/16/2004 3:16:21 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: neverdem

50 posted on 05/16/2004 3:21:46 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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