NRA's Eye Is Fixed on Bush

LA Times ^ | May 16, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

[neverdem]

Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi or other weapon of mass murder under their arm.

Unless Congress acts — and Republican leaders show no inclination to do so — the 10-year-old federal assault gun ban will expire Sept. 13. A word from President Bush would get a renewal before lawmakers, a majority of whom would probably approve it. But the president is silent.

Most people, including most gun owners, are properly alarmed. A survey released last month by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 71% of those surveyed and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

But congressional leaders, too accustomed to taking marching orders from the National Rifle Assn., have stymied the reauthorization bill that Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), John W. Warner (R-Va.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced last year.

[XHogPilot]

What an incredible lie! The LA Times, a California fishwrap, fails to state:

• CA law will still prevent sale of "AWs" here.
• Federal Tax Law still closely controls sale and transfer of automatic AK-47s and UZIs.
• Gun store purchase of any firearm requires a federal background check of criminal and mental health records.

[neverdem]

Gun store purchase of any firearm requires a federal background check of criminal and mental health records.

I don't believe it's been extended to mental health records at the federal level yet. Larry Craig and Schumer proposed it not long ago. That's a can of worms you don't want to open without the utmost care. There's the privacy issue. Denying rights to psychotic schizophrenics is one thing. But what if there's a history of depression or drug abuse in the past? What about personality disorders and which ones. What if there was a misdiagnosis, and what really happened was an adverse drug reaction. IIRC, the debate in at least one state involved denying concealed carry for a DUI.

[capitan_refugio]

"Let 'er rip!"

[Atchafalaya]

I think they will attach it to a funding bill for Iraq.

[Atchafalaya]

My invitation must have been on a pop-up that I closed w/o reading; damn!

[Squantos]

All about bayonet lugs Muttly....black plastic furniture , flash supressors vs muzzle brakes etc etc and the desire for you to only be able to kill 10 criminals before ya have to reload...........and the drive by bayonetings numbers have gone way down since the well thought out AWB was dropped on America like a turd in a punchbowl. I have defeated the 10 round magazine issue by carrying 10 firearms with me 24/7...........I'll show em !

Stay Safe PM !!

[Smokin' Joe]

Wait, wait, hold on a minute.

The rifle was supposed to be new. Not a certified weapon of mass murder.

How many people were killed with it?

Who?

Where?

When?

Enquiring minds gotta know!

Is this all this on the 'Certificate of Authenticity'? or did I get ripped off?

/SARCASM

Jeez, I get tired of this tired ol' crap.

[Joe Hadenuf]

This is the biggest lie of the day.

and 64% of gun owners wanted Congress to extend the ban.

[ARepublicanForAllReasons]

LA Times | May 16, 2004 | Meathead Editorial

[alaskanfan]

Anyone who believs that the Second Amendment is about hunting is dumber than a sack of hair.

[bayourod]

"I just got one last week. An a thousand rounds of ammunition to boot. "

How many bullets can a legal gun hold? An acquaintance of mine was a victim of a kick-in burglary last year. Between himself and the three burglars there were over a hundred bullet holes in his walls, four in him, and a few in the burglars. That averages out to over 25 bullets per person. Were they violating the law?

[neverdem]

LA Times | May 16, 2004 | Meathead Editorial

It's getting late. LOL, the second time I read it on the actual thread, not "My Comments".

[neverdem]

Do me a favor and remind me to use "Meathead" as opposed to "Masthead" on the editorials of leftwing rags, if I forget. I really appreciate your twisting of the words.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Just under four months from today, Americans will be able to walk out of a gun store with an AK-47 rifle, an Uzi or other weapon of mass murder under their arm.

The above statement is so full of lies.

Truth number one: You can't purchase guns that even look close to Uzis in California. They were made illegal in 1999 as were all magazines that can hold over ten rounds of ammunition.

Truth number two: Fully automatic weapons are not covered under the 1994 Clinton gun ban.

Truth number three: Fully automatic weapons are very hard to get because they require extensive background checks, paperwork and a $200 tax.

Since when is the Los Angeles Times interested in reporting the truth about guns anyway?

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I know people who own rifles in California that have been labeled "assault weapons" by the freedom hating politicians of the state.

Did they register their rifles? Nope and they never will.

[XHogPilot]

Gun store purchase of any firearm requires a federal background check of criminal and mental health records. I don't believe it's been extended to mental health records at the federal level yet.
You're correct. It would only apply to court records "adjudicating" a person as a mental defective.

IIRC, the debate in at least one state involved denying concealed carry for a DUI.
It depends if the maximum penalty allowed is greater than one year. Even if the person was given probation, if the max allowed conviction was imprisonment greater than one year, that person (usually) has a restriction against purchasing and/or owning firearms. For ever.

Gun Control Act of 1968, US Code, Title 18, Chapt 44, SS922 Unlawful Acts and the ATF FAQ
Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms?
Yes, a person who –

• (1) Has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
• (2) Is a fugitive from justice;
• (3) Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
• (4) Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
• (5) Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United states or an alien admitted to the United states under a nonimmigrant visa;
• (6) Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• (7) Having been a citizen of the United states, has renounced his or her 8 citizenship;
• (8) Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
• (9) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.
• A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.

[18 U. S. C. 922( g) and (n), 27 CFR 178.32( a) and (b)]

[P8riot]

Is your friend OK?

How many bullets can a legal gun hold?

Depends on where you live. Ordinances differ by locality. In Virginia you are not "supposed" to have a magazine with more than 20 rounds on public lands. Private land is up to the owner.

An acquaintance of mine was a victim of a kick-in burglary last year. Between himself and the three burglars there were over a hundred bullet holes in his walls, four in him, and a few in the burglars. That averages out to over 25 bullets per person. Were they violating the law?

Was WHO violating the law?

Lets look at the big picture here. The burglars were most assuredly violating the law by:

1)Attempted murder.

2)The act of burglary (in this case a home invasion).

3)Possession of a weapon while committing a criminal act.

4)Use of a weapon while committing a criminal act.

Those are just the top four I can think of.

[endthematrix]

Welcome to democracy...the masses won, you lose.

[endthematrix]

In IL you get convicted of a DUI, you cough up the guns...

[Lazamataz]

Unless Congress acts — and Republican leaders show no inclination to do so — the 10-year-old federal assault gun ban will expire Sept. 13. A word from President Bush would get a renewal before lawmakers, a majority of whom would probably approve it. But the president is silent.

President Bush is gaining my support again.