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Faith leaders citywide ask people to turn in their guns (Chicago)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 16, 2004 | MAUDLYNE IHEJIRIKA

Posted on 05/16/2004 5:15:36 PM PDT by Gun142

Faith leaders citywide ask people to turn in their guns

May 16, 2004

BY MAUDLYNE IHEJIRIKA Staff Reporter

The Rev. Walter Johnson, pastor of Wayman A.M.E. Church in Cabrini-Green, had five guns stashed Saturday and was looking to get ahold of a few more.

This wasn't a man of the cloth on the lam. This was the Citywide Gun Turn-In.

The church in the middle of the infamous Near North Side public housing complex was among 11 houses of worship citywide where folks were encouraged to drop off guns -- no questions asked.

"The blessing is that these individuals felt the need to want to turn in their guns, with no incentives," Johnson said. "We said show your love, turn in your guns. We just simply put out there, 'It's the right thing to do.' "

Saturday's Turn-In was the second held this year by Clergy for Safer Streets. Co-chaired by Johnson and the Rev. Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Catholic Church, the group has brought the faith community together on the gun issue.

"We've only gotten one gun so far, but we've gotten 60 over the last six months," Pfleger said at his South Side church. "We need to continue fighting for stricter gun laws and hold gun manufacturers responsible. At the same time, the faith community has to continually challenge our communities to get rid of the ones we already have out here."

By late afternoon, 13 guns had been turned in to diverse houses of worship ranging from mosques to synagogues. The last noon-to-6p.m. Turn-In on Feb. 14 reaped 15 guns.

"The key is to encourage people not to be afraid," said Yvonne Orr-Richardson, coordinator of the Chicago Police Department's community policing unit. "We're not asking questions. We don't need to know where it came from, who you got it from. We just want the metal piece.

"We did get some guns that have been turned in that have been loaded. Who knows what those bullets could have been used for?"

Johnson said three of the guns he collected were turned in loaded -- two from a middle-aged couple and one from a middle-aged woman. All said they just didn't want them in their houses anymore. The guns were turned over to police.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist
I see they're getting the guns from criminals and gang thugs. [not]


The church and [political] organization most have become is exactly why I won't step foot into a 'House of God' to practice my religion. I'll keep things between the Lord and myself just that; between the two of us. I practice my politics on FR and the voting booth among other places.

No Bible-thumping collection plate phony is going to dupe this "Gun" into taking politically charged action, disguised as being part of the religion, that furthers an anti-liberty agenda.


Wait a minute, was that last statement about this church or the Muslim extremists who attack[ed] us??
1 posted on 05/16/2004 5:15:37 PM PDT by Gun142
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To: Gun142

BALTODOG WANTS ALL GUNS IN WICHITA TURNED IN TO HIM.

...also, any music equipment...

...and videos you may regret having made...


2 posted on 05/16/2004 5:22:11 PM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: *bang_list
FMCDH! BANG!
3 posted on 05/16/2004 5:25:17 PM PDT by Ladysmith
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To: Gun142

FMCDH Bump!


4 posted on 05/16/2004 5:27:23 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Gun142
The church in the middle of the infamous Near North Side public housing complex

Democrats with guns is a frightening thought. As long as they want to turn theirs in, God bless 'em. I'll hang on to ours, though.

5 posted on 05/16/2004 5:27:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Ladysmith

Daley's commune propaganda BuMp.


6 posted on 05/16/2004 5:31:25 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Gun142

And when one of these guns is found to be a murder weapon...........what then?


7 posted on 05/16/2004 5:32:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Excellent question.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 5:34:02 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Gun142
Johnson said three of the guns he collected were turned in loaded

Those people are obviously better off not having guns (and we are better off for it, too--people who do't know #### about gun safety should not have them; if they've reached middle age while owning them without bothering to learn, they're lost causes).

9 posted on 05/16/2004 5:39:10 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Gun142
I'll turn mine in .... right after the mayor and councilmen and women turn in their weapons and private security officers with GUNS!!

"Effin" hypocrites.... oh I'm sorry, they're Democrats... same thing.

10 posted on 05/16/2004 5:40:40 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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To: concerned about politics
Democrats with guns is a frightening thought

I know what you mean but to rephrase it, What's more frightening to Democrats/Communists is NonDemocrats with guns. When the Democrats/Communists take over the government by ignoring the laws that were passed in the past then they have something to worry about. I'll say it's happening already: case in point is the gays and lesbians marrying each other and being sanctioned by the liberal judges even though the laws state otherwise.

11 posted on 05/16/2004 5:51:31 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Gun142

Here in Tennessee, we pass the plate and take a gun OUT as needed;^)


12 posted on 05/16/2004 5:51:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: tet68
And when one of these guns is found to be a murder weapon...........what then?

I'm sure the Chicago Police Dept community policing unit will be careful to not investigate that possiblity.

13 posted on 05/16/2004 6:15:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Oztrich Boy

You're probably right, it's ok to want the names of gun buyers kept in a list but an intrusion on privacy for a murderer to turn in a murder weapon, invasion of the confessional etc.

I was confuse for a moment.


14 posted on 05/16/2004 6:20:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Gun142

This doesn't bother me too much - anyone who would voluntarily turn in a gun is probably:

-a criminal dipsosing of evidence - good! we obviously didn't catch him anyway and now he's less armed.

-getting rid of defective equipment - again, good!

-stupid, which is fine with me. stupid people without guns are less dangerious.

Or all three!


15 posted on 05/16/2004 6:21:02 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (I envy myself)
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To: Gun142

The clergy siding with criminals now. Hmmmm....


16 posted on 05/16/2004 6:43:20 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: concerned about politics
Democrats with guns is a frightening thought.

I agree. The reason liberals are so afraid of guns is because they know that they, themselves, don't have the mental stability to be responsible with guns. I applaud their self awareness about this. Given that, it is ashame that they can't perceive that everyone is not irresponsible like they are.

17 posted on 05/16/2004 6:47:39 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: Eaker; Flyer; dix; TexasCowboy
"The blessing is that these individuals felt the need to want to turn in their guns, with no incentives," Johnson said

OK, I've turned my guns "in".. they are either facing the interior of the
house or the interior of the truck. How does this help? Can I have an incentive?

18 posted on 05/16/2004 6:53:05 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Gun142; humblegunner; dix; Allegra; antivenom; bobbyd; eastforker; Flyer; Humidston; olliemb; ...
Texas gun owners can turn their guns in at the Eaker Compound.

I am not hard to find and I will treat said guns the way that they should be treated.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 7:10:02 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Here in Tennessee, we pass the plate and take a gun OUT as needed;^)

In Texas you get to take two!!!

;<)

20 posted on 05/16/2004 7:11:51 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: Eaker

What a wonderful idea, lets put an ad in the paper telling people that if they feel a need to dispose of a gun for moral reason they can turn them into us with no strings attatched, I even think thats legal. I wonder how many we could get?


21 posted on 05/16/2004 7:23:14 PM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: Jeff Gordon
I agree. The reason liberals are so afraid of guns is because they know that they, themselves, don't have the mental stability to be responsible with guns. I applaud their self awareness about this. Given that, it is ashame that they can't perceive that everyone is not irresponsible like they are.

You are correct, that is why they fear guns.

My late cousin, a Liberal Democrat, had that problem, he believed that no one should be allowed to own a handgun, because he knew he couldn't trust himself to control his anger, he believed everyone was like him in that way.

22 posted on 05/16/2004 7:27:30 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: baltodog
I need some more ram and a 1-Gig secure digital card for my camera. Also need a ribbon mike, some hearing aids, a screen door and an internal lasar for my G-36.

Maybe the time has come for FR to have an annual virtual swap meet, the more I think about it. Donations for bandwidth, of course.

23 posted on 05/16/2004 7:30:07 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: eastforker; humblegunner

We could probably get a few from humble; he ain't none to bright!!!


24 posted on 05/16/2004 7:34:21 PM PDT by Eaker (That the bright star of Texas shall never be dim while her soil boasts a son to raise rifle or limb.)
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To: tet68
And when one of these guns is found to be a murder weapon...........what then?

Great idea! Beats tossing it in the river.

25 posted on 05/16/2004 7:35:42 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Gun142

Hey, it worked so well in Fallujah.


26 posted on 05/16/2004 7:36:59 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Gun142
The church and [political] organization most have become is exactly why I won't step foot into a 'House of God' to practice my religion.

Gun - it's like everything else. Some are crap and some aren't. Find the right church and you'll also find a lot of blessings.
27 posted on 05/16/2004 7:41:30 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Gun142

But I thought Chicago was already gun free?


28 posted on 05/16/2004 7:41:59 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
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To: Gun142

In the Church I attend, the message is straight from the Bible, the collection plate is not passed, it is in the back for anyone who wishes to donate. Gun ownership is encouraged from the pulpit, open carry is allowed, and those who carry concealed are thanked in private.


29 posted on 05/16/2004 7:42:49 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Eaker
Noooooo...... don't blow em up Bro !..................:o)

Stay Safe !

30 posted on 05/16/2004 7:48:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Eaker; *bang_list
hehe !


31 posted on 05/17/2004 1:25:42 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Gun142
"We've only gotten one gun so far, but we've gotten 60 over the last six months," Pfleger said at his South Side church. "We need to continue fighting for stricter gun laws and hold gun manufacturers responsible. At the same time, the faith community has to continually challenge our communities to get rid of the ones we already have out here."

Churchs have tax exempt status only because they are SUPPOSED TO BE nonpolitical. It would do Illinois and US coffers good to remove this "so-called church" its economic benefits, which by definition others must burden.
32 posted on 05/17/2004 7:11:46 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought; *bang_list; Eaker; Travis McGee

Here's a Rational thought......:o)

Physicians vs. Gun Owners

a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services)


Now think about this:

Guns:

a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.

b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is1,500.

c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188. Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! (Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.)

Stay Safe..........don't get sick !


33 posted on 05/17/2004 11:52:13 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Gun142
Anybody want to bet the the thugs wern't taking note of who was disarmeing themselves?
34 posted on 05/17/2004 12:01:45 PM PDT by oyez (Fortune favors the bold.)
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To: Gun142

There are no guns in Chicago. They're illegal.


35 posted on 05/17/2004 12:36:39 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Squantos; All
How Many Deaths Are Due to Medical Error? Getting the Number Right.

That's the second title on the list you'll see first. Click on that the authors, and you'll get the abstract from where you can get the whole article.

Check PubMed Here - your tax dollars at work

That figure of 120,000 is probably a pretty bad over-estimation, including people who were very sick in the first place, allergic drug reactions, errors of other healthcare personnel besides docs, etc. I know docs haven't helped matters when they actually commit malpractice or when their official organizations embrace BS liberal and socialist political positions, but they're not all that bad.

36 posted on 05/17/2004 7:12:06 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Gun142

Father Flaky is certifiable think of a Col. Kurtz type with a collar and a mission to save the black man all by himself. He is literally up the psycho river without a paddle, and yet the liberal media treat him like a saint.


37 posted on 05/17/2004 7:18:43 PM PDT by junta
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To: Squantos

Does the link work at your end?


38 posted on 05/17/2004 7:21:32 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Gun142
I would have though that there would have been more than 15 morons in the city. But I applaud the move. Anybody that would turn in their guns are the very ones who shouldn't have them. Unfortunately, many of them probably already have children.

39 posted on 05/17/2004 7:22:42 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Born Conservative

Could you tell me if the link in comment# 36 works on your end.


40 posted on 05/18/2004 9:52:40 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
works on your end

yuppers- works fine

41 posted on 05/18/2004 9:56:21 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d

Thanks for your prompt confirmation. I should have acknowledged it sooner.

What's the deal with the story about a homeowner who had a home invasion by 5 - 6 perps at least one of whom was armed with a long gun? IIRC, he shoots back, they flee and disperse, and then he follows two running into a field shooting them. I believe it happened in your neck of the woods.


42 posted on 05/18/2004 12:38:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
"..he shoots back, they flee and disperse, and then he follows two running into a field shooting them. I believe it happened in your neck of the woods."'

yeah, here in houston. I think he actually scooped up an AK one of them had dropped, they run away through some fields, he gets in his pickup, drives AROUND the field...waits for them, and shoots. haven't seen any followup- I suspect a)it was drug related b) he's gonna get hosed.

I'll let you know.

43 posted on 05/18/2004 1:08:15 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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