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Muslim Call to Prayers in Michigan
Jihad Watch - archives | 5/16/04 | milford421

Posted on 05/16/2004 8:27:19 PM PDT by milford421

The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan approved an amendment to the city's noise ordinance to allow the Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times daily, from 6 a.m. - 10 p.m. The new ordinance takes effect May 26. Nonie Darwish writes the following:


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April 24, 2004 Loudspeaker call to Islamize America "Nonie Darwish has some excellent observations on the recent decision in Michigan to amend noise ordinances to allow the Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers:

The Islamist movement in the United States has no intention of expressing sensitivity to the majority Judeo-Christian culture of America. Even 9/11 has not slowed them down, but might even have given more fuel to their cherished dream of seeing America and its government Moslem. The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, gave its preliminary approval to the Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque to carry the Arabic call to prayer five times a day through a loudspeaker. The Moslem call for prayer, in Arabic, says: “Allah is great. I confess that there is no God but Allah. I confess that Mohamed is his messenger. Call for prayer, call for prayer.” This is repeated for two minutes.

Devout Moslems already know when it is time to pray and in this day and age there are certainly other ways to call people for prayers that conforms to noise regulation and respects the wish of the general public not to hear loudspeakers 5 times a day praising a God that is different from theirs and in whose name the terrorists of 9/11 committed their atrocity. How far are we Arab/Moslem Americans going to keep pushing the envelope to test America’s patience? To whose benefit these loudspeakers are being installed? Could the loudspeakers be another sign of an audacious, in-your-face conquest of America to please those who finance these mosques?

Americans are the most tolerant people in the world and it seems that the more tolerant they become, the more they are taken advantage of. How far will our tolerant Judeo-Christian culture be pushed around? And how many times will Christians give the other cheek to prove they love those who despise them?

Arab/Moslem Americans should reciprocate the tolerance and sensitivity to the rest of America. They should not demand from America to tolerate unwelcome loudspeakers even if the politicians in the city council want to please the Arab population for their vote. Mosques in the US should know better because in most Moslem countries, Jewish synagogues and Christian churches are not even permitted to be built, much less promoted via public-address loudspeakers.

At a time when American youth are dying to stabilize Iraq and bring democracy to a Moslem country, the last thing I want to see as an Arab American is my fellow Americans upset at us for forcing Koran read to them through amplifiers.

Mosques all over the Middle East have used and abused loudspeakers to spread not only the call for prayers, but also Friday sermons. In many Arab capitals you can often hear a prayer to destroy the infidels (non-Moslems) and the Jews, the enemies of God, over loudspeakers that are often used as tools of incitement and indoctrination. People in congested and noisy Arab cities such as Cairo often hear 3 or 4 mosque loudspeakers simultaneously since there could be 4 or more mosques in one square mile. The dawn prayer can come as early as 5 am and many Moslems in the Middle East hate it, but are too afraid to say anything about it.

Why is America importing fear, oppression and insensitivity to the American general public? There is a fine line between tolerance and self destruction."

1 posted on 05/16/2004 8:27:23 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

White (among others) flight Part II?


2 posted on 05/16/2004 8:29:00 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, and the Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: milford421

I'd have my house up for sale if I was anywhere in earshot of this thing - hell I'd just burn my house and collect the insurance money to get the hell out of there.


3 posted on 05/16/2004 8:30:11 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: milford421

Could you link to the article?


4 posted on 05/16/2004 8:30:23 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: milford421

Taking down the Ten Commandments around the country, and replacing them with calls to Allah.


5 posted on 05/16/2004 8:31:02 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (John Kerry is a dingleberry)
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To: milford421

I would not want Jesus Christ himself voicing himself on a loudspeaker five times a day in my neighborhood. This thing is ludicrous. It is a form of environmental pollution, and an imposition.


6 posted on 05/16/2004 8:31:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: milford421

Our state of Michigan crumbles first in the face of Islam.


7 posted on 05/16/2004 8:31:25 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: Torie

I live in a neighborhood with a large Muslim population. No loudspeakers here. The Muezzin just stands out on the avenue in front of the Mosque (a former movie theatre) and does his wailing.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 8:32:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (Strolling along country roads with my baby...)
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To: BykrBayb

I am completely computer illiterate. Please go to www.jihadwatch.com and go to archives. Type in muslim call to prayers and you'll retrieve not only this article, but others as well.


9 posted on 05/16/2004 8:33:06 PM PDT by milford421
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To: Clemenza

Well New Yawkers are used to loud people, who talk a lot. :) But it is the loudspeaker thing that gets my goat. It bring back memories for me of Hiyakawa, who ripped out the wires of a loudspeaker in San Francisco, and earned himself a Senate seat doing it.


10 posted on 05/16/2004 8:34:36 PM PDT by Torie
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To: jolie560
Our state of Michigan crumbles first in the face of Islam.

Conquests of other states soon to follow.

11 posted on 05/16/2004 8:34:59 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (John Kerry is a dingleberry)
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To: bethelgrad

Seems the residents in the predominantly muslim neighborhood are low-income Polish Christians. They could use some help...they have decided to try and fight.


12 posted on 05/16/2004 8:35:06 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

If they want to start some trouble, this is the way! Are their non-Muslim fellow citizens going to listen to that loudspeaker 5 times a day, reminding them each time the almost absolute silence of their Muslim neighbors without taking swift, if illegal action?


13 posted on 05/16/2004 8:35:42 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: milford421

I think it is time for all right minded citizens of this country to descend on that town and let America know what's going on. To me, this is the biggest National story of the year. I don't know how you all feel, but that's how I feel.


14 posted on 05/16/2004 8:36:32 PM PDT by Hildy (...Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's heaven on Earth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Torie

SA Hayakawa was one of the two greatest college presidents of that era. I think us former Chicago Maroons know who the other one was.


15 posted on 05/16/2004 8:36:49 PM PDT by Clemenza (Strolling along country roads with my baby...)
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To: Torie
Can't the Arabs remember to pray 5 times a day?

Maybe they could issue Arab PDA's announce prayer time and repeat the prayers....headset optional.

Possible good product for QVC and Al Jezeera TV?

Anyone know what the policy is if someone employs an Arab. Do they get prayer time plus Arab and Federal Holidays?
16 posted on 05/16/2004 8:37:00 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Correct. However, in December 2000, Denver International Airport was forced to discontinue its practice of announcing the Catholic Mass schedule over the public address system. The ACLU backed the ban citing Church/State. They have not backed the Polish residents on this one.


17 posted on 05/16/2004 8:37:01 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

LOL - okay, thanks.


18 posted on 05/16/2004 8:38:10 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: milford421
Seems the residents in the predominantly muslim neighborhood are low-income Polish Christians.

Senior citizens mostly.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 8:38:11 PM PDT by Clemenza (Strolling along country roads with my baby...)
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To: milford421

Hmmm .. I wonder what a .308 aka 7.62mm round can do to a islamic speaker horn?


20 posted on 05/16/2004 8:39:29 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: not2worry

They do indeed...Here in New York, muslim children had a "room" set aside for them during Ramadan. Of course, it was a prayer room.


21 posted on 05/16/2004 8:39:54 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421

This cult--Islam--must be defeated.


22 posted on 05/16/2004 8:40:24 PM PDT by mirado
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To: milford421

they have a church, right? the noise ordinance has been changed, why can't the church ring its bells every day at the same time as the call to prayer?


23 posted on 05/16/2004 8:41:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Torie
He was one of the best academics/senators we've ever had.

He put that corpulent lush Daniel Patrick Moynihan and that skeletal, ossified, racist from West Virginia to shame.

If only California had a few more statesmen like him today.

24 posted on 05/16/2004 8:42:12 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("All English men are ugly. I just look at Prince Charles and weep.")
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To: milford421
In many Arab capitals you can often hear a prayer to destroy the infidels (non-Moslems) and the Jews, the enemies of God, over loudspeakers that are often used as tools of incitement and indoctrination.

And what will stop them from doing that here?

25 posted on 05/16/2004 8:46:03 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill (l)
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To: oceanview

Yeah, That's it! Run from the fight.


26 posted on 05/16/2004 8:46:11 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: milford421

I did that, and there is no such article. Are you sure you didn't make this up?


27 posted on 05/16/2004 8:46:27 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Boazo

what fight? they caved, its over.


28 posted on 05/16/2004 8:47:34 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: jolie560
Our state of Michigan crumbles first in the face of Islam.

The U.P. is still standing.

It will take some time for the decay to reach up here.

29 posted on 05/16/2004 8:47:44 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill (l)
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To: not2worry
Most Muslim just look a their watches or the clock at work. A friend of mine who's a doctor actually has his beeper timed to buzz him when it's time. I once met a business man who showed me his watch which not only had an alarm but a compass, so no matter where he is in the world, he'll know where and when to pray.

The point isn't noise pollution, however; the larger issue here is the constitutionally guaranteed separation of church and state which is being broached here. Announcing prayers over the loudspeaker in a public municpality is an even greater violation of this principle than leading prayer at sports games, or in the schools.

30 posted on 05/16/2004 8:48:07 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: milford421

A Reveille for Allah? or a Requiem?


31 posted on 05/16/2004 8:48:27 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: milford421
What a complete coincidence!

I just formed a new religion called, "Islam is a malignant cancer on freedom". Part of my new religion is to broadcast on the hour for every waking hour, "Islam is a malignant cancer on freedom".

As luck would have it, I'm dedicated my first house of prayer in Hamtrack Michigan.
32 posted on 05/16/2004 8:48:28 PM PDT by LA Conservative (evil triumphs when good men do nothing)
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To: oceanview
they have a church, right? the noise ordinance has been changed, why can't the church ring its bells every day at the same time as the call to prayer?

Great idea...all the churches could ring at once.

33 posted on 05/16/2004 8:50:19 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill (l)
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To: Hildy
I totally agree with you. I don't live in MI but there is no way I would have allowed this happen in my township.

The time is now to stop this before it spreads across the USA. If they are so devoted to Islam, then they should not need to be called to prayer... not even once!
34 posted on 05/16/2004 9:02:54 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: oceanview

It ain't over till the fat muslim sings


35 posted on 05/16/2004 9:06:45 PM PDT by Boazo (Are you afraid of clowns?)
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To: milford421
During some parts of the year in the latitudes of the United States, the first muslim prayer of the day takes place at 4:30 AM!!!! The noise nuisance--and health effects of disrupted sleep--are obvious!!!!
36 posted on 05/16/2004 9:08:20 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Christ is risen!)
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To: Torie

Why didn't we hear Islamic condemnation of the 9/11 attacks at the same volume they want to use for their call to prayers? Do these same people think that the murder of 3000 innocent Americans were not wrong in the eyes of God?


37 posted on 05/16/2004 9:10:45 PM PDT by CT Boater
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To: BykrBayb

This is a few weeks old and no he didnt make it up. Ive mentioned it several times in the last couple of weeks because of the Berg murder.

The muslims in Hamtramck have been very vocal in getting their call to prayer, but silent in their oposition of terrorism.


38 posted on 05/16/2004 9:14:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Don't vote, president Kerry will thank you for it.)
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To: BykrBayb

heres one.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117705,00.html


google "hamtramck mi/ call to prayer


39 posted on 05/16/2004 9:18:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Don't vote, president Kerry will thank you for it.)
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To: milford421

There are noise ordinances that prohibit things like early morning or late night noise (construction, mowing, etc.). Hearing an amplified public broadcast of prayers at 6am or 10pm are likely to wake at least some people up.


40 posted on 05/16/2004 9:18:53 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: cripplecreek; milford421
...no he didnt make it up.

Thanks. I hope you understand, this is one of those things that's hard to believe. I've seen so many hard-to-believe things turn out to be true, but I still like to check things out before I assume anything.

41 posted on 05/16/2004 9:21:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: ggordon22

When can we expect your prized ACLU to silence this prayer in the public air as they impounded the momument that included the 10 Commandments?


42 posted on 05/16/2004 9:22:15 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: milford421
What do sick evil islamikazis scream, right before they blow up a bus full of children, or fly jets into buildings, or while they're hacking off someone's head with a knife?

ALLAHU AKBAR is the "Muslim Call to Murder!"

Old Mad Mo was much smarter than Hitler. If Hitler had only declared Nazism to be a religion, he could have financed "Nazi Temples" across the USA in the 1930s. They would have been free to broadcast the "Nazi call to prayer" and the "sermons of Ayatollah Hitler" over loudspeakers.

Heil Hitler = Allahu Akbar

Mein Kampf = Mein Koran

Are we Americans chumps, or what???

43 posted on 05/16/2004 9:25:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Our state of Michigan crumbles first in the face of Islam....Conquests of other states soon to follow.

Well is anyone DOING anything about this??? I have just come off a 2 hour discussion of related issues. I will admit I work very hard, through letters to newspaper editors , phone calls, etc, and I feel I am carrying the ball for 1,000 people who sit back and say/do nothing. I am frustrated by this...

44 posted on 05/16/2004 9:25:34 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: cripplecreek
We are expected as Americans to make ammends for the abuses and illegal actions carried out by the guards in Iraq. Those acts were already under investigation by our government (the suspects were the ones who released the photos).

Our government was doing right even if some agents of our government were doing wrong. America takes the hit and must try to make it clear that we did not condone the actions.

Muslims lead a battle of Islamfascist brutality and other muslims say, "that's not a reflection of my faith".

The double standard (and the media's compliance in it) is sickening.

45 posted on 05/16/2004 9:26:58 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Clemenza; Hildy
Not for long. Soon, the "Muslim Call to Murder" will drive out the remaining Christians, Jews and agnostics within the sound of the loudspeakers.

Then, the muslims will buy up these nearly abandoned properties for pennies on the dollar, and resell them on easy terms to new muslim immigrants.

Lots and lots of new muslim immigrants.

46 posted on 05/16/2004 9:28:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Honorary Serb
The noise nuisance--and health effects of disrupted sleep--are obvious!!!!

I'll bet that the Imam would say that while you are "up", maybe you should consider joining the muslims in their prayers.

47 posted on 05/16/2004 9:28:53 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

If the broadcasts are not in English, who would understand the call to arms?


49 posted on 05/16/2004 9:31:14 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Ursa63

The true leftist take on Japan in WWII is that (like 9/11) we were attacked at Pearl Harbor because of Western Imperialism. We "deserved" it.


50 posted on 05/16/2004 9:32:49 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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