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Muslim Call to Prayers in Michigan
Jihad Watch - archives | 5/16/04 | milford421

Posted on 05/16/2004 8:27:19 PM PDT by milford421

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To: milford421

The AntiChristianLiberalsUnion picked sides in "freedom of religion" squabbles? Nooooo... < /sarcasm >


51 posted on 05/16/2004 9:34:29 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: milford421

Unbelievable.


52 posted on 05/16/2004 9:35:10 PM PDT by aught-6
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To: weegee

So what are you doing about it besides grumbling on this website??


53 posted on 05/16/2004 9:35:52 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: milford421

Man if that shit ever starts up in my ethnically changing neighborhood....

I draw the line on the minaret calls and burka-like clothing. the culture must instruct to maintain under the radar presence until you have the numbers, then POW!


54 posted on 05/16/2004 9:36:23 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Travis McGee

So what are you doing about it besides grumbling on this website??


55 posted on 05/16/2004 9:36:41 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Torie
This thing is ludicrous. It is a form of environmental pollution

You may have just hit on the solution. With 6am and 10pm prayer broadcasts, they could affect the habitat of animals. Find an endangered bird or mouse that has its' numbers dwindle from this. Get PETA, Sierra Club, and all of the other leftists to wage this battle against noise pollution.

56 posted on 05/16/2004 9:37:57 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee
"Heil Hitler" wasn't in English, but we "got it."

Same with "Allahu Akbar," the Muslim Call to Murder.

(Anyone who doesn't understand that Allahu Akbar is the Muslim Call to Murder need only review the Danny Pearl and Nick Berg videos.)

57 posted on 05/16/2004 9:39:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
I'm not a citizen of Michigan so I have no elected representatives in that town or state.

I can keep watch for similar activities in my area.

I can also withhold my vacation dollars from such communities. I don't want to receive a 6am wakeup call. I don't plan conventions but I am sure that others may feel the same way.

I am already aware that those in talk radio know of this ongoing case even if they have not broadcast its conclusion.

The ACLU goes MIA a lot. They are not an organization I respect or admire but they can be made to take a stand for or against this change in the law.

58 posted on 05/16/2004 9:41:19 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Clemenza
live in a neighborhood with a large Muslim population. No loudspeakers here. The Muezzin just stands out on the avenue in front of the Mosque (a former movie theatre) and does his wailing.

Why can't they just do a group call on thier cell phones. Sure, one or two of them may blow up, but at least Islam could crawl its way into this century.

60 posted on 05/16/2004 9:43:43 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: milford421

Someone out there Knows What Needs to be Done.


61 posted on 05/16/2004 9:45:13 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
So what are you doing about it besides grumbling on this website??

I'm writing the sequel to this novel. It will be called "Domestic Enemies," and is set about 2010-2015. EF&D was a major undertaking, and so will Domestic Enemies be a major undertaking. You can read the first 20 chapters of EF&D online, if you want to know if I can write. Just click the cover.


62 posted on 05/16/2004 9:47:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Ursa63

That is why I never give my actual name or address when posting letters to newspapers. We have a local paper that has a daily column that allows callers to register their opinions anonymously. It is hard to verbally express one's opinion on these deep topics FULLy, because in "real life" no one gives you enough time to fully express your thoughts. WRITING has a great advantage in this case. I am glad there are others out there who are doing something, and I will never give up...


63 posted on 05/16/2004 9:48:07 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: BykrBayb
Here are just a few of the articles on FR re: this travesty:

CITY GIVES TENTATIVE OK FOR MUSLIM PRAYER CALLS - HAMTRAMCK, MICHIGAN

Hamtramck, Mich., Split Over Muslim Chant

The Muezzin's Call in Hamtramck

64 posted on 05/16/2004 9:50:11 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: milford421

I'm actually OK with is as long as it is voice only and not electronically amplified. Let is go as far as the wind will carry a non-amplified human voice.


66 posted on 05/16/2004 9:51:33 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Travis McGee
Um, wow, that is great. Are you expressing these thoughts to anyone outside this little group? BTW, this guy is the brother of my ancestor: "What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." ~George Mason, 1788
67 posted on 05/16/2004 9:52:04 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
So what are you doing about it besides grumbling on this website??

Also, I wouldn't sell "grumbling on this website" short. If you read or hear someone calling Allah Akbar the "Muslim call to murder" in a few months, you will know that was me at work, in the background. Or if you read "Heil Hitler equals Allahu Akbar," or "Mein Kampf = Mein Koran," you will also know where that came from. Don't discount the power of nugget-sized ideas to move a debate.

But if nugget-sized ideas aren't for you, read EF&D, or when it comes out, Domestic Enemies.

68 posted on 05/16/2004 9:52:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
I've sold several thousand copies to folks outside of this little group, and I'm moving up, connection by connection.

What are YOU doing for the cause?

69 posted on 05/16/2004 9:54:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

If you are seriously writing a book that is great, but unfortunately, not enough people are reading much these days, and we have to use guerilla marketing techniques to reach the media-drenched masses


70 posted on 05/16/2004 9:55:54 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: milford421

Fatwa incoming


71 posted on 05/16/2004 9:58:14 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan

As I said in post 44 ( i think it was ) I work very hard, through letters to newspaper editors , phone calls, etc, and I feel I am carrying the ball for 1,000 people who sit back and say/do nothing.


72 posted on 05/16/2004 9:58:19 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: steplock
Hmmm .. I wonder what a .308 aka 7.62mm round can do to a islamic speaker horn?

Aim for the dead center .... hitting the horn itself is not really going to affect the electronic mechanism inside.

73 posted on 05/16/2004 10:01:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: weegee
If the broadcasts are not in English, who would understand the call to arms?

Why the muslims of course.

74 posted on 05/16/2004 10:04:28 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill (l)
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To: Travis McGee

I want to add, obviously what you are doing is GREAT, and admirable. Each one of us who is trying--outside of this website-- to affect a change, is doing the work of 1000 people who gripe here, but don't put their money where their mouths are.


75 posted on 05/16/2004 10:09:28 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan

Read the 20 chapters online, and you can decide if I'm a serious writer or not. If I pass muster, I'm all ears when it comes to guerrilla marketing. Believe me, I'm attacking on many fronts.


76 posted on 05/16/2004 10:12:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan

oops--I meant to send post 72 to you, not myself. Time for bed.


77 posted on 05/16/2004 10:12:44 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Centurion2000

Even .308s won't stop the loudspeaker broadcasting of the Muslim Call to Murder. They will just put the loudspeakers out of the line of fire, or behind steel boxes.


78 posted on 05/16/2004 10:15:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: weegee

"It is a form of environmental pollution"

Hey, don't they sacrifice poor little goats in rituals? That is cruelty to animals and must be stopped by any and all means, don't you think?


79 posted on 05/16/2004 10:22:23 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan; Squantos; ActionNewsBill
Thanks. I'm finishing the outline phase of Domestic Enemies, here's a very preliminary jotted-down snippet for the purpose of giving a few folks an idea of where I'm going with this. This is about 20 steps from finished product! But it will give you an idea.

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Bob Bullard, the old STU Team operational commander who shot and killed Brad Fallon back at Malvone's house at the end of EF&D, is going to be a very senior federal LE official in SoCal. ("He gets results!") His story will be intertwined with Ranya's escape. His first scene is in his federal building Homeland Security office in LA, meeting some Muslim Muftis and other Muslim leaders. They now mainly live in "The Muslim Quarter," (maybe in Orange County, not sure yet.) The "Muslim Quarter" AKA "New Fallujah" is now walled-off from the rest of the city.

The Muslims have done this walling-off and barricading themselves, for "protection" against marauding "anti-Muslim bigots" who have taken so many potshots at mosques, following acts of terrorism. The PC-to-the-end Cali govt rolls over to this Muslim self-segregation, "going along to get along." (There are many walled-off "Muslim Quarters," but New Fallujah is one of the biggest.)

Inside the MQ, there is virtual Sharia Law. Regular outside local police only go into the MQ with an escort from MQ security forces. Women are wearing the hijab scarf at least, and many are in veils and burq'as.

This early Bob Bullard scene shows give and take between the US LE officials, and the Muslim leaders:

"Imam, we've had some disturbing reports of folks showing up in ER's missing a hand...."

"We had nothing to do with that."

"That's not what the fellows with one hand say."

"They are lying. Anyway, New Fallujah has the lowest crime rate in California, who are you to tell us how to run our lives?"

"Okay, let that go, but what about the call to prayer? Can't you turn down the volume? You might get along better with your neighbors if you didn't hit them with that Allahu Akbar song five times a day."

"Don't you dare to take the name of Allah in vain! I'm warning you!"

"Calm down chief, forget it. Don't get your turban in a knot. You know our deal: as long as you tell us when the jihad boys are planning something outside of New Fallujah, you'll stay in charge and collect all your baksheesh. You cross us on that...and we'll let the jihad boys know about our deal, you got it? Okay, good, I thought so. Now what about the girls. We've heard that little girls in New Fallujah are getting....ah....that....'procedure' done to them...."

"It's none of you business! That is our culture, so please don't interfere! New Fallujah has the finest clinics and schools in California! You should worry about your own people, your pregnant teenage charmutas, your abortion clinics...."

80 posted on 05/16/2004 10:25:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: milford421
So...the town needs *sensitivity*...........I
would sell my house...and, get the he!! out of there, post haste!
81 posted on 05/16/2004 10:31:58 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: weegee

I am not a Michigan citizen either, and these days I don't have any faith in elected officials. Keeping watch, and speaking out in our own area is more than most people do these days... re the "elected official" topic, I fear we have given too much power to these lazy saps, who for the most part, seem to be interested only in the power and/or perks their elected position gives them ... I want more issues brought to referendum, as long as the options for solutions are well reasoned and thoughtful. Will we ever get that, though?


82 posted on 05/16/2004 10:32:07 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Travis McGee

HUA...........BTTT !


83 posted on 05/16/2004 10:40:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ImaTexan

Ping


84 posted on 05/16/2004 10:46:46 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: bethelgrad
"The Islamist movement in the United States has no intention of expressing sensitivity to the majority Judeo-Christian culture of America."

This is what concerns me the most about Islam. When it comes to their faith the Muslims are like pitbulls, they won't give an inch. And their numbers are increasing. Meanwhile, Christians of the world are growing tepid in the faith, as we give up more and more ground to those who would outlaw all public expression of religion, (which always turns out to be public expression of CHRISTIANITY). And our numbers are on the decline. If it continues on like this, it doesn't take a genius to see the eventual outcome. Though Christ triumphs and crushes His enemies in the end, somewhere along the line our children may see an Islamicized world before this happens. Here is a quote from the "holy" koran:

"Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution." (Sura 5, Verse 73)

Clearly, Islam sees Christians, Jews and Western man as their perpetual enemy, to them we are nothing but "infidels". Pray for President Bush, and pray for victory in Iraq.

85 posted on 05/16/2004 11:22:20 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
We're going to find out, sooner or later,

If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.

86 posted on 05/16/2004 11:43:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


87 posted on 05/17/2004 3:13:43 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: oceanview
"why can't the church ring its bells every day at the same time as the call to prayer? "

Why that would be a violation of the separation of Church and State.

88 posted on 05/17/2004 3:21:30 AM PDT by isrul
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To: milford421

Any word on when the "call to pray" starts to be enforced, or who will do the enforcing?



End terrorism, kill terrorists.


89 posted on 05/17/2004 3:33:07 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: isrul

I think some churches should test the waters and ring their bells at the same time as the Muslim calls to prayer. Fair is only fair right? If the city council complains...the churches should reply.."Hey, you let the Muslims do it..we shall do it too!"


90 posted on 05/17/2004 4:02:54 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: milford421

Islam is out to Islamicize the west.

Our own lack of fervor in defending the faiths of our fathers, the collapse of a strong theologically based Christian clergy, the tolerance of Jews for "minority" rights, are all playing into the hands of the people who are out to destroy us, our religion, our culture, our society, and our nation.

Allowing a Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers in an American city is tantamount to having permitted prayers for the Emperor in Japan in the U.S. in WW2.

The U.S. should stop permitting any Islamic moisques or madrasshes from operating in the U.S. which are funded, led, or tied in any way to the Wahhabist extremists in Saudi Arabia.


91 posted on 05/17/2004 4:35:45 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: oceanview
I'd have my house up for sale

I am sure this is a major factor in startinng up with the loudspeakers. The saracens want a homogenous community so that their youth have less contact with America and Americans. It will be easier to raise up holy warriors and suicide bonbers that way.

92 posted on 05/17/2004 4:53:51 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Hildy

After a while NPR will do a respectfully delighted piece on the diversity in Hammtramck, Michigan.


93 posted on 05/17/2004 4:56:06 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

It only has to reach critical mass in the LP then it will be legislated down on top of you by the egislature. 5 years to sharia?


94 posted on 05/17/2004 5:00:00 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: weegee

Environmental wrath is always selective in its application. The greenies will NOT oppose anything Mohammedan because they are allies in the same cause, the destruction of Western Civilization and especially its most virulent manifestation, America.


95 posted on 05/17/2004 5:05:49 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: oceanview

"I'd have my house up for sale if I was anywhere in earshot of this thing - hell I'd just burn my house and collect the insurance money to get the hell out of there."

Surrender and fraud, eh? Thank God we are not relying on you when the inevitable conflict comes.


96 posted on 05/17/2004 5:09:11 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: ActionNewsBill
It will take some time for the decay to reach up here.

I'm guessing at least 250 years . . .

97 posted on 05/17/2004 5:13:34 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: FreedomCalls

Some of the more talented muezzins do not need a PA. In parts of the world where people have had a need to be eard over long distances they develop the ability. Many muezzins can be heard for blocks. Yodelers are famous in the world. In Viet Nam I was fascinated that many of the rural women could call and be heard over great distances without seeming to exert much effort. They don't yell, they just sort of squeeze their voice boxes down or something. Among the emigres here that generation seems to have died off but a few years ago one could hear it here.


98 posted on 05/17/2004 5:17:05 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: oceanview
why can't the church ring its bells every day at the same time as the call to prayer

That would just amplify the muezzin's call. He will be heard over any bells and the bells will call attention to him.

99 posted on 05/17/2004 5:21:47 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: mdmathis6

Won't work. See #99


100 posted on 05/17/2004 5:23:09 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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