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Lessons Unlearned (Nick Berg Update)
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Posted on 05/17/2004 2:02:20 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis

Lessons Unlearned

By Ben Johnson FrontPageMagazine.com | May 17, 2004

Although al-Qaeda mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has claimed responsibility for beheading 26-year-old Nick Berg in Iraq, Berg’s father blames another perpetrator: the United States of America. “My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this,” Michael S. Berg recently told Philadelphia radio station KYW-AM.

The elder Berg, a staunch leftist, lashed out at the Bush administration for its Iraq policy both before and after his son’s gruesome dismemberment. Michael Berg was a signatory to International ANSWER’s March 20th “Call to Action.” (“End colonial occupation from Iraq to Palestine and everywhere!”) This anti-American screed – also endorsed by a slew of ultra-leftist groups such as the National Lawyers Guild and the Korea Truth Commission (which claims America started the Korean War) – was intended to mark the first anniversary of the “U.S./U.K. [sic.] invasion of Iraq” and “to demand an end to the Bush administration's ‘Endless War’ plans for global domination.” (Although ANSWER has trimmed its list of endorsees, a poster at FreeRepublic.com published the complete list, including one “Michael S. Berg, teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc., West Chester, PA.”)

Michael Berg has candidly acknowledged that he and his son were very much on different sides of the war question. “He was a Bush supporter,” Berg says of his son. “He looked at (the war) as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it.” His father has a different view: “I don't think this administration is committed to democracy.”

Michael Berg’s case that Bush killed his son is as follows: Nick Berg went to Iraq seeking work to build the nation’s infrastructure. After a visit in 2003, Nick returned under the impression that he had a contract lined up. However, the deal fell through, and Nick continued to look for work that would have the added benefit of enriching the lives of a people long oppressed. Iraqi police stopped him in Mosul and found an Israeli stamp in his passport, a book on Iran and pieces of Farsi literature in Berg’s possession. Suspicious what a 26-year-old American would be doing in Iraq with neither a support network nor any discernible business prospects, they detained Berg from March 25 until April 6. Berg told UPI reporter Hugo Infante, whom he befriended while they stayed in the same hotel, that the police assumed since he was Jewish and had been to Israel that he was an Israeli Mossad agent. “It was like an adventure for him,” Infante recalls.

The police asked the FBI to double-check Berg’s story, and FBI agents paid three visits to the Bergs’ West Chester home during the 13-day detention. The Bergs filed a lawsuit against Donald Rumsfeld on April 5, claiming the U.S. government was holding their son without due process. The Iraqi police released Nick the next day. Four days later, he disappeared, to become a tragic victim of Islamist hatred.

Why then does Berg’s father claim George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are the real murderers?

Berg elaborated on Boston radio station WBUR last Tuesday, “(W)hat cost my son his life was the fact the U.S. government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of due process or civil rights and released him when they were good and ready.”

The Bergs say their son told them he was trying to leave Iraq in March, before his detention, and discussed making travel arrangements as late as April 9. However, they aver, the area had become so dangerous by then that he could not find safe transportation outside the country – and then became the prey of terrorists. And Uncle Sam’s security measures are to blame.

Although all Americans must sympathize with his grief, the problems with his theory are manifold.

For one, Nick Berg was (probably) never in U.S. military custody. According to Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman Dan Senor, it was the Iraqi police and not U.S. military personnel who detained Berg. Although allied with the military, they are distinct entities. While Michael Berg has produced an e-mail saying that the military had his son in custody, it would appear this is a clerical error. Infante, a professional journalist with a world-class news agency, remembers Nick Berg telling him the Iraqi police detained and questioned him, not U.S. forces.

Moreover, whomever detained Nick Berg was simply trying to keep Iraq safe from the people who beheaded him. Although Berg believed Iraqi police suspected him of being an Israeli spy, he also told Infante that their questioning focused on Iran, a known sponsor of the “indigenous” Iraqi uprising. And others being questioned were frequently violent and dangerous. Berg quoted Arlo Guthrie to describe his cellmates as “father-stabbers and mother-rapers.” In other words, Iraqi police detained and questioned anyone who might plausibly be connected to further destabilizing Iraq – and succeeded in corralling many of the worst cases. If police had sufficient manpower and resources, they might have also caught al-Zarqawi and his four murderous cohorts. What Iraq needs is more of the police action Michael Berg decries, not less.

Most damning of all, though, is the revelation that American forces tried to help Nick Berg leave Iraq – and he refused. FBI spokesperson Kelly Shannon told reporters that Bureau agents offered to fly him home on April 10 – the day before he vanished – but Berg turned them down, saying he preferred to travel alone into Kuwait. This certainly fits the picture everyone has painted of Berg: an adventurer, a loner who used his own resources to travel and better the Third World. (Berg had made previous trips to Kenya and Ghana, alone.) Even his brother, David, has admitted this possibility. “Recalling his brother's independent personality, David Berg said such a refusal would not surprise his family,” one account has it.

Why the rush to believe the worst? It seems Michael Berg’s leftist politics have blinded him. Berg has recently berated the entire edifice of Homeland Security legislation. When discussing why he believed the Bush administration was responsible for his son’s death, he said: “It goes further than Donald Rumsfeld. It’s the whole Patriot Act; it’s the whole feeling in this country that rights don’t matter any more because there are terrorists about. Well, in my opinion ‘terrorist’ is just another word like ‘communist’ or ‘witch,’ and it’s a witch hunt….”

Berg blames the Patriot Act (which he calls a “coup d’etat”) for his son’s arrest and detention – as though the act applied to a domestic police investigation in a war-torn nation halfway around the world! Iraq is not ruled by the Patriot Act; it is ruled by the law of the battlefield, and the first law is to stay alive.

One would think, though, recent events would shock his eyes open about the reality of our Islamist enemy. Tragically, should he ever need a reminder that terrorists are very real, he need look no further than his son’s grave. Yet the lesson has not taken. Somehow, his grief has conflated his leftist worldview of the conflict in Iraq and Homeland Security into murder. The mind and body have rejected the loss, and his leftist background has found a convenient scapegoat – not in the barbarians who executed his son – but in the administration that fought like Hell to keep him safe.

Leftist Conspiracy Theories Abound

Like Berg, some on the Left have outrageously blamed the Bush administration for Berg’s beheading – not figuratively but literally. The World Socialist Website – which in recent days has drawn more visitors than the Weekly Standard’s website – has seriously intimated the Bush administration itself murdered Nicholas Berg to deflect attention from the fraternity prank photos emanating from the Abu Ghraib prison:

Anyone who believes it is unthinkable or outrageous to suggest that the American government would sanction having one of its citizens murdered to shore up its fortunes is underestimating the political situation. The Bush administration and elements of the American military hierarchy, media and corporate establishment are indictable war criminals…To them, the life of 26-year-old Nick Berg would have meant nothing.

The grassroots of the Left have seized on the idea with gusto. One poster at the leftist Daily Kos website insisted, “As soon as I heard about this, I knew it was a setup by the Bush Administration…Bush has killed thousands in this war, he wouldn't blink an eye about killing one more to rekindle the same hate America had for Muslims after 9/11.” Another insisted, “I wouldn’t put it past them. I really wouldn’t.”

Indymedia, the website anti-American activists around the world used to plan their “antiwar” rallies, also acts as an “alternate news source” and message board. Those who post on Indymedia represent the activist core of the Left. A participant on their NYC board asserted, “I'm sure it's a CIA operation.” Another chimed in, “i’m quite sure the killing of nick berg was an cia action.” [sic.]

One commenter on Indymedia’s German site added, “I bleieve [sic.] that Al-CIAda is involved and that is why they are covered up.” Another added, “Whoever posted this on behalf of the CIArabs is not fooling anyone. The event was timed appropriately to soften the shock of the upcoming torture videos, and to get Rumsfeld off of the hot-seat.”

The speculation has grown so great that even Pravda printed an opinion piece this weekend entitled, “Could N. Berg’s Execution be Fake?” by Pater Havlasa, editor of the website eBigBang.com. Among his musings, he lies that “N. Berg disappeared when in U.S. custody.” (False! He disappeared four days later, and one day after Americans offered him a one-way ticket back to the City of Brotherly Love.) He also produces this tender observation: “A human head contains 1.5 gallons of blood yet the freshly decapitated head shown in the video is leaking none.” (Does he know Elvis’ middle name is misspelled at Graceland, too?)

Not all conspiracists blame the United States, though. “Professor” Sam Hamod is a former Princeton professor and State Department advisor. He currently edits his own leftist website. Hamod, who also writes editorials for al-Jazeera, recently posted an article condemning Berg’s beheading but casting doubt that Muslims did it. For one thing, he insists Muslims only kill people after a fair and judicious trial (!). No, these are not Muslims. “(I)t may also be that this was perpetrated by Israeli agents, who have been operating in Iraq since the American invasion and have been advisors and combatants for Blackwater, and for the U.S. military, especially in interrogation techniques…Remember also, many Israelis speak Arabic as well as Arabs themselves.” (Curiously, Hamod earlier complained the murderers’ chant of “Allahu Akbar” – “Allah is great!” – seemed “strained.”) You see, the gentle poet tells us, it wasn’t Bush – it was the filthy Jews.

It is among the kooks of the Left that Michael Berg has chosen to find peace over his son’s death. Ironically, this is where Nick Berg’s memory has found its greatest detractors.

Leftists Desecrate Nick Berg’s Memory, Too

While most left-wingers have been careful to condemn the murder of an innocent American, the leftists who inhabit the fever swamps of International ANSWER and the antiwar lobby have no qualms about telling the world how they really feel: Nick Berg got what was coming to him.

One poster at the San Diego Indymedia site, responding to the idea that al-Zarqawi beheaded an “innocent,” wrote:

Helloooo!!! Are you on the same Planet as the rest of us? There was nothing innocent about someone going into a country to profit off an illegal war…The guy got beheaded because he was somewhere he should not have been.

The writer then added, “Americans are like cockroaches!”

Posters at Portland Indymedia bizarrely connected Berg’s beheading to the passage of a tax cut bill through the Senate. One participant referred to Berg as a “poor bastard (or an invader who has met with traditional social justice depending on your point of view I suppose).” He went on to call Berg’s death “pure money in the bank for George W this November.”

Nor has the hatred been confined to America. A particularly vile message on Indymedia’s German site gleefully displays no less than eight pictures of Nick Berg’s severed head next to the words, “Nick Berg has his head cut off.” Below that, the messenger wrote twice, “Nick Berg a private mercenary who went to Iraq to help the American Empire install a puppet government gets his head cut off for his crimes.” [sic.]

The Irish also got in on the act on Indymedia. “Salah” wrote, “Nick Berg was part of the US led coalition which is attempting to bleed Iraq dry, with no concern for the effects on the Iraqi people. Whether civilian or not, he was scouting for the leftovers of a devastating campaign which began decades ago with British occupation through to US led sanctions and this current illegal invasion…Until the middle-east is free from brutal occupations there will not be, and should not be unilateral peace.” [sic.]

Another writer added, “I find it very difficult to feel sorry for Mr. Berg when the link below shows what american [sic.] intervention has done for the children of Iraq…So before you go harping on about how despicable it was for one yankee to have their head hacked off, think about how despicable it is for the government of your country to destroy the genes of these children and of many generations yet to come.”

“Caliban” offered, “C'mon the guy was just another bit of collateral damage in the Clash of Civilzations.....”

When a writer pointed out the obvious – that Nick Berg was killed by Islamists because he was both American and carrying a Jewish prayer shawl – “Stan” sympathetically replied, “Avi, the holocaust must be starting again! Lets go and kill some more palestinians!” [sic.]

If all holds true to form, it will only be a matter of time before Ted Rall draws a cartoon calling Nick Berg a moron and berating his grief-stricken family.

These are the hateful nutcases Michael Berg signed up with when he signed the International ANSWER statement. (Incidentally, ANSWER’s most recent campaign is to “Defend Dr. Hatem Bazian,” the professor who called for an “intifada” in America.) His son, Nick, saw a nation that needed his help and tried to better it. Michael Berg said of the killer, “They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend.” On the contrary. Nick Berg was a friend of a free and democratic Iraq. The Islamists knew exactly what they were doing, because they are Nick Berg’s enemies – and ours. The best tribute a father could pay to his son’s memory is to stop apologizing for those who killed him, associating with those who revile him and antagonizing those who seek to avenge him.


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1 posted on 05/17/2004 2:02:21 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis

Had his son been held a little longer by the Iraqis he might still be alive.


2 posted on 05/17/2004 2:05:38 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Remember_Salamis

FREEPers specifically mentioned


3 posted on 05/17/2004 2:11:54 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Berg elaborated on Boston radio station WBUR last Tuesday, “(W)hat cost my son his life was the fact the U.S. government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of due process or civil rights and released him when they were good and ready.”

Somewhere in this father's heart he knows the truth.

Daddy forced the US to release him by filing that lawsuit. Had he not done that Nick would probably be alive today.

I know the guy is a nutcase leftist, but still under the surface, he knows.
4 posted on 05/17/2004 2:17:32 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Well, in my opinion ‘terrorist’ is just another word like ‘communist’ or ‘witch,’ and it’s a witch hunt….”

Micahel Berg say this as if there's a difference on who should be shot on sight. There isn't.

5 posted on 05/17/2004 2:21:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Am I the only one who read this article and can't help thinking that the world on the brink of a massive global war? And I'm not just talking about the Islamic terrorists: I'm also talking about the seemingly inevitable conflict between the rabid Left and the rest of human kind.


6 posted on 05/17/2004 2:39:14 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: Remember_Salamis

A Muslim Leader Speaks Out

By Sam Hamod

Al-Jazeerah, May 11, 2004



Where is the Christianity of America? Has America and the Americans lost their values, their religion, their minds? As an American born of Muslim parents, and as the former Director of The Islamic Center in Washington, DC, I am appalled at the way some of our nation's leaders are trying to speak with forked tongues about the horrible, demeaning, illegal and immoral behavior in Iraq. No matter what President Bush says about being a "born again Christian", I think he is a false witness to Christ, and that God will deal with Mr. Bush in this life and certainly in the next, as he tries to cover up the dirty deeds of Mr.Rumsfeld and his generals, while trying to pin the torture deeds on a few ignorant non-coms, lower level military people in Abu Ghraib.

Any decent Christian would not have allowed the Iraqis to be treated in this way, whether in major office or at the lower levels of the military--but here we have Rumsfeld trying to dodge responsibility for saying in the past, "These enemy combatants, these detainees do not have the protection of the Geneva Conventions." It seems that he and President Bush had come to this decision. Yet he, Bush and our senators and even the public, wonder, "Who was the one who gave permission to these military people to do this, and were they ordered to do it and how severely."

As a Muslim, I am outraged that fellow Muslims in the world are being treated this way. All we have from Muslim organizations, and allegedly "Muslim countries", are weak cries of protest, or none at all for fear the money and the U.S. prostitutes will dry up. Where is the Muslim Ummah in protest? I know most of the Muslim people in the world are upset and want something done--but the leaders of "Muslim countries" have soft-pedaled this whole affair. When Rumsfeld and Bush first started their brutality in prisons in Afghanistan and Guantanamo, they should have stood up at the UN, put ads in U.S. and British newspapers, sent their media people out to condemn this and demand a halt to it. Instead, they went idly by and talked in the double-talk of diplomacy and went to the usual parties and smiled that party smile and nothing was done.

Ironically, it took CBS TV, the New Yorker and some U.S. military people at the lower level to bring the pictures of torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib to light. Why hadn't the "Muslim nations" done something like this? Why hadn't they asked to investigate the prisons that Al Jazeera and Al Arabiyha had reported as torture chambers. But it proves that some parts of our democracy are working when some of our media will stand up. It's too bad that most of our media runs with their tails between their legs when Bush or Rumsfeld bark at them.

Let it be known that this torture will remain for generations in Iraqi and in Arab and Muslim minds all over the world; it will not go away. Remember, in a traditional society, memory is long, very long--hundreds of years, sometime more--and America will be seen and remembered in this way.

And no, not even the Senate Hearings will help the matter, because no one was able to penetrate or get Rumsfeld to come up with responsibility or with the truth. Then, President Bush compounded matters today when he went to the Pentagon and heartily endorsed Rumsfeld--which tortured the Iraqis and all Muslims even more because it made clear that none of the major heads, especially Rumsfeld's, would roll --even though it is clear that Rumsfeld was one of the major perpetrators of these torture crimes.

It is time that Christian leaders, and I don't mean those false chrisitian leaders like Pat Robertson, or Billy Graham Jr., or Jerry Falwell, but the legitimate ones who are real Christians, and who follow the teachings and morality of Jesus Christ, stand up and condemn these hoodlums from Bush on down; that these Christian leaders stand up and condemn those who are not truly Christian but who wear the mask of Christianity and do the deeds of the devil.

If this is not done, then the devil will have his way on the earth, and those who are false Muslims and those who are false Christians will have done the work of the devil, to the detriment to the way of God.

Dr. Sam Hamod is the former Director of The Islamic Center of Wash, DC; professor at Princeton, Iowa, Howard and Michigan (ret.); he may be reached at shamod@cox.net


7 posted on 05/17/2004 2:46:56 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: SpyGuy

A Left-wing Nation-State with global reach does not yet exist; the EU's foreign-policy/nationalsecurity apparatus isn't fully-formed yet and Chinese National Socialism hasn't broken out yet. It took a long time from the "trigger" event, the global economic collapse of the 1920s, until the onset of WWII. It took a long time from the passage of the Stamp Act until the onset of the American revolution. If 9/11 was the trigger event this time around, War won't break out for quite some time. Therefore, I don't envision Chinese Troops goose-stepping Hu Jintao's Proclamations of "Long Live The Han Race!" for at east a few decades or so. Nor do I see a threat from Hindu Nationalism, or Hindutva, becoming a global threat within a decade. The time will come eventually, wherein we will cast the next global order.


8 posted on 05/17/2004 2:59:12 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: kcvl

Who's a REAL Christian, Mr. Samod? Pacifist Jesuits?Catholics For a Free Choice? The United Council of Churches?

I hope insulting the Faith of the only true Christian Leader in the West will make you sleep well.


9 posted on 05/17/2004 3:04:14 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis
A Left-wing Nation-State with global reach does not yet exist

I don't see the next global conflict as a war between nations per se, but rather a series of simultaneous civil wars and revolutions occurring across the globe. Most will be "seeded" by Islamic terrorism, but will be quickly fueled by the Leftists, who are becoming both increasingly powerful and increasingly radical.

10 posted on 05/17/2004 3:35:57 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: Conspiracy Guy
SpyGuy

Any relation?

11 posted on 05/17/2004 3:37:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown ..................................(I miss ya harpseal))
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To: SpyGuy

State-sponsored Leftism?


12 posted on 05/17/2004 3:38:01 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: SpyGuy
Am I the only one who read this article and can't help thinking that the world on the brink of a massive global war? And I'm not just talking about the Islamic terrorists: I'm also talking about the seemingly inevitable conflict between the rabid Left and the rest of human kind.

The left has always been committed to the enslavement of the human race and the destruction of their freedoms.

Witness Russia -> Soviet Union, China -> PRC, and so on.

13 posted on 05/17/2004 3:40:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown ..................................(I miss ya harpseal))
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To: SpyGuy

It really does seem that the Islamic Terrorists have found sound allies in leftists all over the globe. I do not see much hope in the future of freedom for mankind. The power of envy and the lust for power is too great..It overcomes the natural need to secure the future for the sake of future generations. My faith states that in the last days of the survival of the earth, "Evil will be called good and good will be called evil." All I have to do is to read much of what the American media (news and entertainment) has to say and I am convinced that day has arrived.


14 posted on 05/17/2004 3:49:53 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Remember_Salamis

My guess is that his son's death gave Mr Berg the national exposure he probably has so wanted to bash President Bush. I guess it was his way of making something positive out of something negative. And posing for pictures in his front yard exhibiting his grief like a greek tragedy was really genuine<sarcasm


15 posted on 05/17/2004 4:00:18 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Nick rebelling against his father like a childish 14 year old, his stupidity of roaming the streets alone and at night, his refusal of countless advice on the danger, and purposefully putting his Jewishness out there is what put a huge target on his back. It was all a lark. He shrugged off his 3 week detention and I'm not sure that he also thought his kidnapping was a grand adventure too. I suspect he was one of those kids raised to think everyone had his best interests at heart and that whatever he did was great and wonderful no matter the consequences. We're seeing something similar in Kerry's childish blaming of everyone else for his mishaps and not taking responsibility for his own actions.


16 posted on 05/17/2004 4:17:26 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Lazamataz

Could be a distant cousin.


17 posted on 05/17/2004 4:32:23 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I know it doesn't make sense, I said it.)
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To: Lazamataz; Razmataz
Razmataz

Any relation?

18 posted on 05/17/2004 4:42:13 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: texasflower

The lawsuit was filed and Nick released the next day, but how do you know that one caused the other? Everyone is assuming it did, but I have seen no conclusive evidence that it did.


19 posted on 05/17/2004 4:56:36 AM PDT by sauropod (Paleo-cons make better lovers)
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To: mtbopfuyn
I suspect he was one of those kids raised to think everyone had his best interests at heart and that whatever he did was great and wonderful no matter the consequences.

Interesting you should say that. Here is what his father actually said about Nick:

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said.

Then, referring to his son's executioners, he said: "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

Personally, I still think there was something very suspect going on with that kid. I mean, just what are the odds that he coincidentally was on a bus with some Al Qaeda terrorists a few years ago in Oklahoma, and that he innocently let one of them use his email account and password (which was later used by Zacarias Moussaoui, one of the 9/11 terrorists)?

20 posted on 05/17/2004 4:56:40 AM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: Remember_Salamis

Guys like this Michael Berg are very rotten apples here in the US. And, there are many of them. If he believes that Mr Bush killed his son, God help anyone who enters into Mr Berg's "legal zone". He'd sue anyone for anything because it's always "someone else's fault". A real piece of dirt.


21 posted on 05/17/2004 5:02:27 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: SpyGuy

I think there is something suspicious about this as well.

The book written in Farsi that he had on him is curious also.

Does he speak farsi? Also he had a Koran.

Both things seem odd for a Jewish person to have.


22 posted on 05/17/2004 5:04:52 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Remember_Salamis

The sad part is that Daddy Berg's left-leaning idiology contributed much, much more to his son's death than any right-leaning idiology. Daddy Berg doesn't want to admit or see that. Daddy Berg is blinded by his own idiology. Now, Daddy Berg needs to blame someone. He chooses the right-leaning/Republican Bush administration, so he can keep his idiology in tact. His choice was wrong because no Presidential administration forced, coerced, or made his son go to Iraq. That was Nick Berg's free choice.


23 posted on 05/17/2004 5:19:16 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: TomGuy

Having worked for years with cancer patients and their families, I have to say that anger is sometimes a reaction to a loved one's death. It's more empowering than simple grief and sadness, and it often takes an inappropriate direction. Given the horrific nature of Berg's death, I'm not surprised at the anger of his father. It's just too bad that he won't really face up to the truth, which seems to have been a trait that ran in that family.


24 posted on 05/17/2004 5:36:01 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: P-Marlowe; Trinity_Tx; Remember_Salamis

Nick Berg Ping.


25 posted on 05/17/2004 7:09:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TomGuy

Maybe Nick went there to get away from "Daddy".


26 posted on 05/17/2004 7:48:33 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Remember_Salamis

read later - BERG


27 posted on 05/17/2004 8:54:48 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Remember_Salamis
It seems Michael Berg’s leftist politics have blinded him. Berg has recently berated the entire edifice of Homeland Security legislation. When discussing why he believed the Bush administration was responsible for his son’s death, he said: “It goes further than Donald Rumsfeld. It’s the whole Patriot Act; it’s the whole feeling in this country that rights don’t matter any more because there are terrorists about. Well, in my opinion ‘terrorist’ is just another word like ‘communist’ or ‘witch,’ and it’s a witch hunt….”

Michael Berg suffers, I believe, from a massive inability to understand the world around him. This inability started way before his son was brutally murdered, but that event only reinforced this tendency.

First off, the whole concept of a "witch hunt" is that THERE ARE NO WITCHES. That's why witch hunts are so rightly condemned. However, as his son's murder so pointedly demonstrates, THERE ARE TERRORISTS. Thus, to blindly oppose any effort by an administration with which he disagrees to fight those terrorists is a sure sign that this man has a sickness. Further, his association with ANSWER - Michael Berg was a signatory to International ANSWER’s March 20th “Call to Action.” (“End colonial occupation from Iraq to Palestine and everywhere!”) - shows his obvious and intense anti-Western bias. Now, don't get me wrong, the guy has a right to his opinion, and a right to believe that the West in general, and the US in particular, are headed in the wrong direction. Frankly, I don't know anyone who thinks that every action of the Bush Administration is correct (mainly because it is made up of fallible human beings, just like every other government that ever existed). But that's a far cry from the absurd beliefs of ANSWER and Michael Berg.

I hate to say it, but Nick Berg's own inability to understand reality probably put him in the wrong place at the wrong time. He seems to have inherited this inability from his father. In a kind and gentle society, such a fault does not usually result in such a horrendous result. In a less than kind society (like Iraq at the present time), such blindness has disastrous consequences.

I feel very sorry for Nick Berg's family - they lost a son that they loved in a most brutal manner, and the images of that heinous crime will never be erased from their memories. I sincerely hope that all of them can somehow or other find some comfort, some way of coming to grips with his death, and do so as soon as possible. However, were I in their position, I'm sure that I wouldn't be so blind as to blame anyone but the actual murderers. That blindness not only is a blot on the memory of their son, but the legitimization of that blindness by Michael Berg's ideological comrades in politics and in the media will only result in more such heinous crimes. The way to deal with Evil of the sort that stole Nick Berg's life is to destroy it, not to accomodate it. Speaking as a fellow Jew, I find it utterly incomprehensible that Michael Berg (and, perhaps, the rest of his family?) cannot face and understand the similarities between Hitler and the Islamofascist terrorists, as well as the insanity and ineffectiveness of appeasing either.

29 posted on 05/17/2004 10:01:39 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Remember_Salamis

One of those oh-so-compassionate tenderhearts from DU came trolling over here the other day with the charming handle "Headless_Contractor".


30 posted on 05/17/2004 11:49:19 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: SpyGuy

No Sir.


31 posted on 05/17/2004 12:50:49 PM PDT by Razmataz
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To: Remember_Salamis

There is no doubt this is Bush's fault. If Bush had not gone into Iraq to begin with, Berg never would have gone there.


32 posted on 05/17/2004 12:53:45 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Remember_Salamis
If all holds true to form, it will only be a matter of time before Ted Rall draws a cartoon calling Nick Berg a moron and berating his grief-stricken family.

At about the time of the OJ trial, an Atlanta city employee temporarily lost his job for _correctly_ using the word "niggardly" in a budget discussion before blacks at a city council meeting. Ted Rall did a cartoon with OJ sitting with a couple white yutes in a bar:

"Boy, this sure is a niggardly drink!"

OJ looks perplexed.

"And my boss is really niggardly with my salary!"

OJ looks shocked.

"Niggardly, niggardly, niggardly! And then some!"

OJ: "That's it. Aloha!" And OJ lops the kid's head off with a knife.

The spinning head has one last line: "But it means cheap!"

OJ and the other yute walk out of the bar.

"You did the right thing. No one should have to listen to such a vile homophone."

Whereupon OJ guts him with the knife and exclaims, "Nobody calls me gay and lives!"

33 posted on 05/17/2004 9:42:04 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
One would think, though, recent events would shock his eyes open about the reality of our Islamist enemy. Tragically, should he ever need a reminder that terrorists are very real, he need look no further than his son’s grave. Yet the lesson has not taken. Somehow, his grief has conflated his leftist worldview of the conflict in Iraq and Homeland Security into murder. The mind and body have rejected the loss, and his leftist background has found a convenient scapegoat – not in the barbarians who executed his son – but in the administration that fought like Hell to keep him safe.

Liberals, leftists, the lunatic left have been characterized by talk radio host Michael Savage as being seriously mentally deranged and/or pschotic. I believe he has identified the problem.

There can be no better evidence than the present situation we face...life or death struggle with a world-wide, sub-human, demonic force seeking to destroy our civilization and opposed only by a courageous president standing virtually alone among world leaders, confronting this evil threat while enduring vicious attack by our own "loyal opposition" as well as some in his own party. This can be likened to the "illogical" situation in which passengers aboard a cruise ship drill holes in the hull because they don't like their captain, evidently thinking thy will somehow re-float the ship under their leadership after it has sunk and drowned the captain.

34 posted on 05/18/2004 8:48:46 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: Remember_Salamis

I noticed you posted something about Ted Rall and the beheading of Nick Berg, we actually asked the same question to Ted Rall, himself. He replied with expletives, unlike his sweet nice demeanor on Fox. Since Ted Rall is stupid he took our bait and with some chiding he eventually wrote a short column to shut us up. It is posted on our site if you are interested www.redrightandblue.com, you will get a kick out of the back and fourth.

Thanks,
Jeremiah
Cofounder of redrightandblue.com


35 posted on 05/23/2004 2:26:48 AM PDT by JeremiahR-TX
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