Abuse photos upset Muslims

The Fresno Bee ^ | Monday May 17, 2004 | By Vanessa Colón

[Plutarch]

Valley residents are torn after seeing treatment of Iraqi prisoners.

By Vanessa Colón
The Fresno Bee

Muslims in Fresno say they are torn between cultures after seeing photos of Iraqi prisoners forced to expose their naked bodies or wear women's underwear on their heads.

Throughout the United States, the abuse depicted in the photos provoked feelings of outrage. For Muslims, the images cut a deeper wound….

"As an American, it's a disgrace. It makes the GIs look bad. A lot of them want to do good...."

So the prisoner abuse was especially hurtful.

"It matches close to being raped," Al-Ali said. "This is the utmost crime…."

Abdul Baker of Fresno, a civil engineer from Iraq and a U.S. resident for more than 20 years, talks in his home about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and his hopes for Iraq's future.

[ken5050]

I refuse to click on the link..but can you please tell me if they mention any outrage over Berg?..

[2banana]

What did they feel when Saddam was filling up his mass graves and having fun with his rape rooms? Oh wait, that was Muslims only. Having infidels doing anything to Muslims (even terrorists) gets other Muslims all worked up...

[AngryJawa]

Decapitation Video Upsets Americans.

Maybe the Fresno area muslims can put that in their hash pipes and smoke it.

[TomGuy]

For Muslims, the images cut a deeper wound….

Cry me a river.

Deeper cut?

Think Nick Berg. That is a real atrocity and it wasn't committed by 2 white guys in a white van.

Think Israelis killed by bomb-belts. Those aren't committed by Baptists or Methodists.

[GBA]

"So the prisoner abuse was especially hurtful.

"It matches close to being raped," Al-Ali said. "This is the utmost crime…."

Cry me a river. Like having your head sawed off is a lesser crime??? Or having some suicidal maniac blow themselves up and killing innocent people in the name of god is a lessor crime??? Or maybe treating your women like chattel is a lessor crime???

I'm tired of the "religion of peace" peacing all over the rest of us.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I'm heartbroken they're so upset. Not.

[Kerretarded]

Blah! Blah! Blah!

Next Anti-Bush line item?

[Razmataz]

It is comforting to know that 'something' offends those folks.

[Principled]

Murder upsets Christians.

[exile]

Awww. poor widdle muslims. Didums get offended?

[BlueLancer]

"Abdul Baker of Fresno, a civil engineer from Iraq and a U.S. resident for more than 20 years, talks in his home about the abuse of Iraqi prisoners and his hopes for Iraq's future."

Of all people and expertise, Iraq could REALLY use some qualified civil engineers to help rebuild their infrastructure. What is this guy still doing in Fresno, if he's so concerned about his "hopes for Iraq's future"?

[crazycat]

Yeah, yeah, so they're unhappy about the abuse.

Did any one say they were ashamed of what Al Queda did to Pearl or Berg, or the 4 contractors. No chance, never happens, never will.

They are all hippocrites.

[Plutarch]

...but can you please tell me if they mention any outrage over Berg?...

No. Apparently, such was their distress resulting from the abuse photographs, that the video depicting Muslims savagely beheading an innocent fellow American entirely escaped their notice.

[Saundra Duffy]

can you please tell me if they mention any outrage over Berg?..

Not a word. They said that being nude is "the utmost crime". So they'd rather be decapitated than be caught nude. Poor Nick Berg - the nude Iraqi prisoner abuse story trumps his beheading every time.

[avg_freeper]

Muslims in Fresno say they are torn between cultures after seeing photos of LIVING Iraqi prisoners forced to expose their naked NON-DISMEMBERED bodies or wear women's underwear on their NON-SAWED OFF BY A DULL RUSTY KNIFE heads.

[MEG33]

Wonder how they felt about the torture, truly atrocious pictures and videos of Saddam's regime.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

How upset were they by the Nick Berg video? </sarcasm>

[Bulldog1967]

Cry me a river.

[P8riot]

God (uh Allah) forbid. The las thing we want to do is make them mad. They might do something bad.

[Conservative4Ever]

yeah..well..when I see the pictures of falling bodies from the Twin Towers on 9-11, to this day it tends to get me just a little riled too.

Red

[4everontheRight]

Amen!
I got into a argument over the weekend with a neighbor who is Muslim, claims not to be a practicing one though. He started in on asking a few of us at a block party what we thought of these photos floating around. I knew where he was going so I just flat out told him that if that I am sure there was abuse but I was also sure that worse had been done to innocents in our country. Boy, the doo doo hit the fan...he starts in with "Condi Rice is a crook...she knew about all this terror and did nothing"...yadda, yadda, yadda. Man! I told him he better stop right where he was at cause I was not going to listen to a person who is not even a citizen of this country, tear it down and make statements that were full of crap!!!
I could care less what Muslims think!! They have not even stood up for themselves much less the Coalition which is trying to save their sorry hinds!!!

[EUPHORIC]

Poor babies. I've got a 25 pound sledge a one inch dowel and a 100 pound sack of sand they can put to use.

[Gkubly]

Muslims have forfeited their right to be upset in my eyes. I could careless how these animals feel, these barbaians will pack explosives onto kids and blow them up. How dare they give their two cents on human rights.

[Lurking in Kansas]

*yawn*

[neutrino]

It matches close to being raped," Al-Ali said. "This is the utmost crime…."

The utmost? Really? I'd wager I could come up with some ideas that would recalibrate his concept of "utmost".

Alas, that would probably violate posting guidelines. Pity.

[4CJ]

"It matches close to being raped," Al-Ali said. "This is the utmost crime…."

ROTFLM*O - what an idiotic comparision. Would you rather be raped, or your head cut off? You body shredded?

Cry me a river - what the Iraqi terrorists suffered was nothing worse than humiliation, what our civilians suffered was suicide bombers, burning and decapitation.

[Eva]

LOL, cuts a deeper wound???? Just like Nick Berg's neck??? The religion of peace seems to be trying to take a lesson from the Scientologists who like to redefine words, like the meaning of "is". Wearing panties on their heads is akin to rape, which in the minds of Muslims must be as bad as being decapitated.

[Militiaman7]

[delln]

They had to wear womens underwear on their head, who hasnt done that!!

[lilylangtree]

Good for you. Last week and this week I'm one unhappy enraged American against islamics. Hope they leave the country. Better not look for sympathy in my direction--that's a luxury only from the liberal leftist communists demoncRATS.

[Eastbound]

"So they'd rather be decapitated than be caught nude."

Heh. Right. 'Oh please don't throw me into the briar patch.'

[SheLion]

I refuse to click on the link..but can you please tell me if they mention any outrage over Berg?..

At least we didn't decapitate them! And we still haven't heard from any Muslim leader being outraged over Berg. What's up with THAT?

[Gefreiter]

"It matches close to being raped," Al-Ali said. "This is the utmost crime…."

THey live on an entirely different planet if getting your feelings hurt is even in the same ballpark as getting raped.

[keysguy]

a pig in every poke.

[Izzy Dunne]

So they'd rather be decapitated than be caught nude.

It all works out, then.
I'd rather decapitate them than see them nude.

[anniegetyourgun]

Hey, I hear Brad Pitt is nekkid in his new movie, Troy. Seems only Iraqi men are shamed by being naked on film.

[Mikey_1962]

Put a bag on THEIR head.....

[Mears]

I agree with every word you said in post #5. I'm sick to death of the whining also.

[Militiaman7]

Just look at the nice clother, nice house, notice his right to speak freely. Doesn't look like he's hungry or sick. Where is this place? Iraq, Iran, no, no it's the USA.

[Izzy Dunne]

And we still haven't heard from any Muslim leader being outraged over Berg.

I did see an item from CAIR about how they objected to Berg's murder. I think their PR department graduated his correspondence course.

[thoughtomator]

These the same folks who said that Neil Berg cut off his own head to defame Muslims?

[i_dont_chat]

See what John Ross says (powerful stuff -- adult language)

http://www.john-ross.net/islam.htm

[steplock]

It upsets them? HURRAH!!!

[brownsfan]

...muslims savagely beheading an innocent fellow American entirely escaped their notice.

I'd like to point out, they are muslim first and foremost. The fact that they are Americans is coincidental to them. They feel as much bond to Nick Berg as you feel to one of the Iraqi terrorist prisoners.
If the way I'm feeling is common, I don't think the muslims know how close they are to NEEDING to leave this country.

[azhenfud]

Beheading of American by Fanatic Islamites Upset Christians

[Owl_Eagle]

I guess I'm torn between, "Who the F- cares what muslims think, they caused the problem and are perhaps marginally part of the solution (perhaps)"

and "C'mon.  They just got through 30 years of Saddam having Dobermans tear apart five year olds, plastic shredders, rape rooms, and having people skewered, and I'm supposed to believe they give a damn about this?  Maybe some muzzy quietly ensconced in the U.S. plotting for jihad, but not so with the ones in Iraq." 

 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

[Logic n' Reason]

"Do everything possible to make terrorists and their active supporters live in terror themselves. Turn the tide psychologically and practically. While this will not deter hard-core apocalyptic terrorists, it will dissipate their energies as they try to defend themselves and fear will deter many less-committed supporters of terror. Do not be distracted by the baggage of the term assassination. This is a war. The enemy, whether a hijacker or a financier, violates the laws of war by his refusal to wear a uniform and by purposely targeting civilians. He is by definition a war criminal. On our soil, he is either a spy or a saboteur, and not entitled to the protections of the U.S. Constitution. Those who abet terrorists must grow afraid to turn out the lights to go to sleep."

'Nuff said.

[Kerretarded]

Vanessa,

I think that most of America has grown tired of the "outrage" of muslims for this reason or that reason. It seems that no matter what we do, they will be outraged. We have stood up and apologized. We have ongoing investigations. People will be brought to justice. On the other hand, where are the great public displays of apology for the beheading of an American? Why aren't you writing an article about that? Why aren't you out there demanding muslim nations to apologize for what happened to Nick Berg? Did you ask any of the Iraqi-Americans how they felt when they learned that a muslim beheaded an American? Is this simply acceptable practice in their religion? So let me get this straight. It is unbearable to be naked, but cutting another person's head off is okay. Do any of the people that you interviewed understand that the BIG difference with what happened at Abu Ghraib under Saddam and under Coalition Forces is that under Saddam innocent people were BRUTALLY tortured and under Coalition Forces suspected killers were pictured naked? Another question that you may want to ask them. Which is worse, being tortured by having your clothes removed or being tortured by having your fingernails removed.

Have a nice day.