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Prison Guard Calls Abuse Routine and Sometimes Amusing
New York Times ^ | 5/16/04 | KATE ZERNIKE

Posted on 05/17/2004 9:47:04 PM PDT by alnick

In a sworn statement to investigators, Pfc. Lynndie England explained the mystery of why soldiers at Abu Ghraib took pictures of detainees masturbating and piled naked with plastic sandbags over their heads by saying, "We thought it looked funny so pictures were taken."

[snip]

"Picture 000015 was basically us fooling around," she said, pointing to a photograph of detainees stacked naked in different positions in 1A, the area of the prison where the soldiers now charged with abuse worked.

"She wanted a picture because she wrote `I'm a rapist' on one of the detainees," Private England explained, pointing to two pictures she said were taken by Specialist Sabrina Harman.

[snip]

When pressed, however, she said there were no specific orders on how to "break" the detainees for interrogation. But, she said, military intelligence soldiers and others "would tell us to keep it up, that we were doing a good job" aiding the interrogations. Asked who told them to instruct the detainees to masturbate, she said, "I was just told we were doing a good job," according to the statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; iraqipow; lynndieengland; prisonabuse
I did a search on the title and could not find this.
1 posted on 05/17/2004 9:47:04 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Texasforever; Joe Hadenuf

Hmmmm


2 posted on 05/17/2004 9:49:43 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33

She is a frisky little imp ain't she? lol


3 posted on 05/17/2004 9:52:31 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: alnick

Actually, she wrote, "I'm a rapeist (sic)." She is really a dimwit!


4 posted on 05/17/2004 9:52:41 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: Jim Robinson; VanZant; onyx

Girls Gone Wild..ping.


5 posted on 05/17/2004 9:54:31 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: alnick
All of it sounds a little silly after reading what happened to Nick Berg.

I can see the complaints: (with a hitch in his voice, like a five year old) "you, you made me get naked and form a pyramid while, while, covering my head and vdeotaping it!!!!"

Versus

"You sawed off my head while I was alive with a kitchen knife."

6 posted on 05/17/2004 9:55:28 PM PDT by tbeatty (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.)
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To: alnick
Very, very interesting...

"We thought it looked funny so pictures were taken."

...almost never, to her mind, out of bounds.

She explains how she put a strap around a detainee's neck and forced him and others to run and crawl down a hallway for "approximately four to six hours;" how one soldier would regularly throw a Nerf football at detainees with bags over their heads "to scare them;" how one soldier would kick detainees and cause open wounds, then "would personally stitch detainees if the wound weren't too bad," ...

"Yes, I stepped on some of them..."

Pointing to picture 000019, which shows her pointing at a detainee masturbating, she explained, "Staff Sgt. Frederick had removed the bags from the detainee's head and motioned for them to masturbate themselves. The detainee I'm pointing at didn't stop so we took a picture of it."

...the prisoners were put on leashes to intimidate them, trying to get them to confess to raping a 15-year-old Iraqi boy.

"Was there anything done to these detainees that you felt was `going too far?' " she was asked. "No," she replied.

Asked later if she thought anything was inappropriate, Private England replied that only the masturbation was. But throughout the statement, she repeats that she and other soldiers were ordered to do the things they did, which has been the defense made by lawyers for the soldiers and the soldiers themselves.

When pressed, however, she said there were no specific orders on how to "break" the detainees for interrogation. But, she said, military intelligence soldiers and others "would tell us to keep it up, that we were doing a good job" aiding the interrogations. Asked who told them to instruct the detainees to masturbate, she said, "I was just told we were doing a good job," according to the statement.

Sound very clear to me that this group of morally, um, challenged individuals were just making it up as they went along. They weren't properly trained or supervised, but they came up with these sick ideas themselves.

7 posted on 05/17/2004 9:59:37 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Better a bag over your head than your head in a bag.)
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To: alnick

How long before this boring lowlife's 15 minutes of fame are up? Answer: Never, not as long as she can be used as a weapon against President Bush.


8 posted on 05/17/2004 10:00:11 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I was under the impression that MP's were generally not wrapped too tight. Scored at the pond scum level on their tests, etc. This girl is seriously deranged. Do you think she's related to the banjo picker in "Deliverance?"


9 posted on 05/17/2004 10:01:16 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Sound very clear to me that this group of morally, um, challenged individuals were just making it up as they went along. They weren't properly trained or supervised, but they came up with these sick ideas themselves.

Yep. I'm surprised the NYT printed this, but no one will make too big a deal out of it.

10 posted on 05/17/2004 10:04:12 PM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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To: MEG33
Everyone can believe what they want. LOL! I am telling you they were recruiting informants. Why else do you think this dog and pony show was allowed to go on like this. Remember, this was suppose to be a military prison.

Mrs Pfc. Lynndie England was duped.

Here's the latest photograph of Mrs. Lynndie England released by AP today.


11 posted on 05/17/2004 10:04:33 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Just showing you her interview..I realize she was only there..Sy, the little commie has "sources".


12 posted on 05/17/2004 10:07:15 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: alnick

That's what I thought, as well. I wonder what section/page it will show up in the NYT?


13 posted on 05/17/2004 10:09:46 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Better a bag over your head than your head in a bag.)
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To: Adrastus

I've heard the same thing, and the only former MP that I know (Marine) is a seriously scary person.


14 posted on 05/17/2004 10:11:38 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: shhrubbery!

Well at the rate she is putting both feet in her mouth I would guess that the charges in her Court Martial are adding up to at least 25 years.


15 posted on 05/17/2004 10:11:46 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever

That's one way to put it.


16 posted on 05/17/2004 10:13:16 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Texasforever
Well at the rate she is putting both feet in her mouth I would guess that the charges in her Court Martial are adding up to at least 25 years.

I doubt it. A couple of months at most.

17 posted on 05/17/2004 10:14:28 PM PDT by Rokurota
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To: Rokurota

Nope, her and her friends along with a full colonel, a few NCOs and a brigadier general are going to get the full boat on this one.


18 posted on 05/17/2004 10:19:34 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: alnick
The problem from excerpting from an article is that it doesn't give us a sense of the media's true bias. You took the first paragraph, one near the middle, and one near the end, which were most favorable to the President's point of view. What was left out from those paragraphs was the Slimes' real agenda in the article --- to "prove" that the "abuse" at Abu Ghraib was sickening and "routine". For example, the second and third paragraphs state:

Private England's statement, made May 5, narrates the graphic photographs now at the center of the prison abuse scandal in specific detail and a matter-of-fact tone, describing the abuse as routine and sometimes amusing, but almost never, to her mind, out of bounds.

She explains how she put a strap around a detainee's neck and forced him and others to run and crawl down a hallway for "approximately four to six hours;" how one soldier would regularly throw a Nerf football at detainees with bags over their heads "to scare them;" how one soldier would kick detainees and cause open wounds, then "would personally stitch detainees if the wound weren't too bad," according to a copy of her statement given to The New York Times.


We don't have a copy of her statement, which was probably shared with the Slimes by her lawyer. So we don't know whether leash girl actually used the word "routine" or the Slimes is making it up. And how does the Slimes know she was narrating the "scandal" in a matter-of-fact tone if they weren't there? Did they hear her voice from a transcript?
19 posted on 05/17/2004 10:22:35 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Polybius; Petronski; afraidfortherepublic; yonif; RedBloodedAmerican; Mo1

Hmmmm


20 posted on 05/17/2004 10:26:38 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: alnick
When pressed, however, she said there were no specific orders on how to "break" the detainees for interrogation. But, she said, military intelligence soldiers and others "would tell us to keep it up, that we were doing a good job" aiding the interrogations. Asked who told them to instruct the detainees to masturbate, she said, "I was just told we were doing a good job," according to the statement.

Sounds to me as if she is playing fast and hard with the fudge, errr, facts.

21 posted on 05/17/2004 10:30:51 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry{D-Hanoi} plans to apply post-Vietnam policy to Iraq: Exit & let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: Texasforever
Nah........she'll wind up with a book deal. Albeit written in Crayola.

Stay Safe !

22 posted on 05/17/2004 10:30:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: MEG33

If Private England was smart .. which is obvious she's not .. she would keep her mouth shut because she is not helping her case


23 posted on 05/17/2004 10:32:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Adrastus

It's important to remember...SHE WAS NOT A GUARD. She was only there because she was doing one...


24 posted on 05/17/2004 10:32:30 PM PDT by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: Keith
It's important to remember...SHE WAS NOT A GUARD. She was only there because she was doing one...

Just one?

25 posted on 05/17/2004 10:40:55 PM PDT by Rokurota
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To: Mo1

Her boyfriend was her superior!...and he's in the soup,but good.


26 posted on 05/17/2004 10:50:11 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
The word "trollop" comes to mind.
And yes, she is spelling challenged.
rapeist = un huh. LOL!
27 posted on 05/17/2004 11:02:22 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: onyx

Trollop is a good word.


29 posted on 05/17/2004 11:05:01 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33

These folks are more like trailer trash than anything else.


30 posted on 05/17/2004 11:06:49 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: MEG33

Not that trailer living is confined to trashy folks.
I didn't mean that at all.


31 posted on 05/17/2004 11:07:46 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: alnick

Yeah this moron is pregnant by her "lover" the Cpl Graner who is also charged with a long list of stuff including ADULTERY...I am so glad that her videos of screwing around with a still married man are considered "private" and "very personal" because she is soooo on love. God help us all with this type of sleeze bucket running around


32 posted on 05/17/2004 11:42:19 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: MEG33

Naw, 2 bagger is the word. That is why all of the prisoners had hoods over their heads. It was actually an act of great compassion.


33 posted on 05/17/2004 11:44:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever

I sense you are not impressed with the goddess like qualifications of Ms England?....;)


34 posted on 05/17/2004 11:51:32 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: alnick
"We thought it looked funny so pictures were taken."

What a depraved mind.

35 posted on 05/17/2004 11:53:59 PM PDT by k2blader (The equivalent of Nick Bergís murder happens in our nation every 24 seconds. And itís legal.)
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To: MEG33
I sense you are not impressed with the goddess like qualifications of Ms England?....;)?

Let's put it this way, when the doctor took the first look at her in the delivery room, he slapped her mother.

36 posted on 05/17/2004 11:55:39 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever

Ouch..LOL!


37 posted on 05/17/2004 11:56:29 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: jnarcus

I believe her divorce was not final..but that came from a defense attorney for Graner...(or is it Grainer. The media spells it both ways.)


38 posted on 05/17/2004 11:59:17 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Mo1
If Private England was smart .. which is obvious she's not .. she would keep her mouth shut because she is not helping her case

...send her a six pack of chrome trailer hitches....that ought to keep her mouth shut until the trial.

39 posted on 05/18/2004 12:01:23 AM PDT by antaresequity (This is not the "War on Terror", Islam is the common denominator)
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To: jnarcus
Yeah this moron is pregnant by her "lover" the Cpl Graner

I can't help but wonder how they know who the father is. She was videotaped having sex with multiple partners.

40 posted on 05/18/2004 5:20:32 AM PDT by alnick (Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's husband wants teh-rayz-ah your taxes.)
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