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WSJ: Precursor WMDs Stockpiled in Iraq
Newsmax ^ | 5/18/04

Posted on 05/18/2004 8:55:45 AM PDT by areafiftyone

Far from being an isolated incident, yesterday's discovery in Iraq of an artillery shell filled with Sarin gas is just the tip of the iceberg of recently uncovered evidence that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program that was fully operational until the U.S. invaded in March 2003.

Tuesday's Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. inspectors have found within the last few months "warehouses full of commercial and agricultural chemicals," which, if mixed and packaged properly, "could quickly become chemical weapons."

U.S. forces in Karabala have also recently uncovered 55-gallon drums loaded with chemicals that were said to be "pesticide," some of which were stored in what military sources described as a "camouflaged bunker complex."

Why camouflage insect spray?

The alleged agricultural site just happened to be located alongside a military ammunition dump, reports Insight Magazine.

According to the Journal, Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer recently told Congress that some of Saddam's WMD facilities were newly built and contained "stockpiled" raw materials that would have allowed him to "produce such weapons on a moment's notice."

There's more.

In early April, Jordanian authorities foiled an al Qaida plot to kill 80,000 people in chemical weapons attack in Amman.

According to one of the conspirators whose confession was broadcast on Jordanian TV, al Qaida WMD specialist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was last seen in a chilling video beheading Nick Berg, trained and outfitted the WMD attackers

in pre-war Iraq.

Like notorious terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, Zarqawi enjoyed sanctuary in Baghdad, courtesy of Saddam.

Jordanian TV coverage of the Zarqawi plot included video footage of hundreds of gallon jugs containing chemical weapons that had been intercepted 75 miles from the border with Syria, where much of Saddam's pre-war WMD stockpile is believes to have been hidden.

The Zarqawi revelation comes on the heels of the April 26 explosion at a suspected chemical weapons factory in Baghdad, just as a U.S. weapons inspection team arrived to inspect its contents.

Disguised as a "perfume factory," investigators believe the facility was booby-trapped to destroy evidence of whatever was inside.

We won't be surprised if, in the coming weeks, more Sarin-laden shells are uncovered in Iraq. But in the meantime, the media focus on the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has obscured that fact that the WMD case against Saddam is already compelling and continues to grow.


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1 posted on 05/18/2004 8:55:49 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Nuclear warheads atop ballistic missiles targeted at European capitals.

That's the threshold for the media admitting Saddam had WMD. Finding anything short of that will be rationalized away as an attempt by the President at political damage control.

2 posted on 05/18/2004 8:58:59 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: areafiftyone

now the White House has to find a way to FORCE the media to pay attention to this story.


3 posted on 05/18/2004 9:02:40 AM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: areafiftyone

WMD news not important to WaPo which put it on page A13.


4 posted on 05/18/2004 9:03:55 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Nuclear warheads atop ballistic missiles targeted at European capitals.

Nope. You are wrong. They would have to be launched and in route. Even then I would bet there would be denial. After impact, they still would be looking for a Rumsfield/Bush/Cheney causality.

The total politicization of the media is complete. It is pathetic.

5 posted on 05/18/2004 9:06:17 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: areafiftyone

BTTT


6 posted on 05/18/2004 9:07:39 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("I think the country will evolve." -Teresa Heinz Kerry on gay marriage)
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To: areafiftyone

The same can be said for ammonia and chlorine bleach. By themselves they are not dangerous but if you mix them together they can be deadly poisonous and explosive.


7 posted on 05/18/2004 9:10:52 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: areafiftyone

1. i've never understood why dubya doesn't present these things to the american people directly. if you leave it to tv and most american newspapers the republican message is not going to get out.

there are more voters in the u.s. than we devotees of talk radio and the internet.

abu graib could cost dubya the election.

2. i'd put thousands of troops on the ground to dig this stuff up. and to interview iraqis who have information.


8 posted on 05/18/2004 9:12:45 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: areafiftyone
al Qaida WMD specialist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,...

Like notorious terrorists Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas,...

OK, so does "Abu" mean psychotic, fanatical, murderous, or all of the above?

9 posted on 05/18/2004 9:15:03 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: areafiftyone

BTT


10 posted on 05/18/2004 9:15:32 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: no_problema

Dubya's PR team sucks. Plain sucks. Granted, he's in a no-win with the lefty media, but still, he could be using the bully pulpit and his surrogates far better than he has. Give that scum Clinton his due, he knew how to get his team on the same page.


11 posted on 05/18/2004 9:19:17 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Dr Snide

the white house could send Bush to a microphone any time they wanted, they don't do it. they could have done it yesterday - not to claim some massive WMD find, but just to note that this had occurred and was being investigated. The political team is media tone deaf.


12 posted on 05/18/2004 9:22:53 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: over3Owithabrain

Rove has no political war room in place - they don't move proactively on stories, don't know how to play the news cycles, nothing.


13 posted on 05/18/2004 9:23:58 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

As I mentioned on another sarin-related thread this morning, WOR radio had Brian Ross of ABC News on this morning with a "breaking" story that a plot to use chemical weapons against our troops has been uncovered and somehow tied in with the chemical story out of Jordan. He said that more would be coming out soon. Nothing on ABC's nwes site yet.


14 posted on 05/18/2004 9:26:29 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: areafiftyone

Nothing to see here, let's move along.

It's just camoflaged insect spray and an exploding perfume factory.

Move along...

I'm sure that's goint to be the MSM's response.


15 posted on 05/18/2004 9:27:41 AM PDT by PCRit
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To: areafiftyone
Saddam's WMD Have Been Found

Here's a link to the original Insight Magazine article the WSJ is referring to.

WMDs have been FOUND and the media silence is deafening. Insight published this story 4/28. It took 3 weeks for the WSJ to notice. Rush needs to see this.

16 posted on 05/18/2004 9:28:00 AM PDT by Grim
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To: freeperfromnj

ABC reporting it?


17 posted on 05/18/2004 9:31:57 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: areafiftyone
Tuesday's Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. inspectors have found within the last few months "warehouses full of commercial and agricultural chemicals," which, if mixed and packaged properly, "could quickly become chemical weapons."

Ah, the dual use argument.

So, show me the fields of crops, then. Show me the industrial base that uses the commercial chemicals.

If there are none, then the "other" use is suspected, instead.

-PJ

18 posted on 05/18/2004 9:32:18 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: over3Owithabrain
Dubya's PR team sucks.

I wouldn't say that just yet. Maybe they're waiting for Kerry to stick his foot in his mouth about this. The White House isn't stupid. Everything I've seen indicates that they have a strategic plan. Maybe they know that there's more evidence to collect to insure a slam dunk. Bush knows that his numbers are slipping. When he does address the people, he has to make sure the news is overwhelmingly good. It seems like they've just found a small portion of a much larger stockpile. More time means more evidence.

19 posted on 05/18/2004 9:34:39 AM PDT by Snowy (Microsoft: "You've got questions? We've got dancing paperclips.")
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To: r9etb

That's the problem, there's no story on ABC's web page. I know Brian Ross is their investigative reporter. He was a guest on WOR, a local radio station in the tri-state area. He may still be working on the story. I've been checking for it all morning.


20 posted on 05/18/2004 9:35:07 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj

very interesting. that Jordan story has gone nowhere.


21 posted on 05/18/2004 9:35:07 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
the white house could send Bush to a microphone any time they wanted, they don't do it. they could have done it yesterday - not to claim some massive WMD find, but just to note that this had occurred and was being investigated. The political team is media tone deaf.

Or not. Think about it this way: would the media trumpet a story on WMDs that was broken through the WH? Not a chance. It would be spun by Kerry and the talking heads as "yet another desperate attempt by Bush to excuse his lying actions and bumbling in Iraq."

If, however, the media themselves are allowed to "break" the story, they're going to fall all over themselves to do it. It's too big to let go. The pieces seem to be falling into place now. And what's better, by letting the news come out at the hands of the media, it leaves the Democrat naysayers twisting slowly in the wind....

22 posted on 05/18/2004 9:36:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Snowy

they cannot wait too long on this, they can't pop up with an October surprise WMD find - everyone will see right through that. It can't look like a political stunt. Tell the truth, and tell it now.


23 posted on 05/18/2004 9:36:29 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Sicon

Abu = 'Son of'


24 posted on 05/18/2004 9:37:30 AM PDT by AzSteven
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To: oceanview
they cannot wait too long on this, they can't pop up with an October surprise WMD find - everyone will see right through that. It can't look like a political stunt. Tell the truth, and tell it now.

Well, no matter when this news comes out, the dims will spin it as a stunt. In my opinion, they should start with an explosive announcement within a month, followed by possitive updates throughout the summer months.

25 posted on 05/18/2004 9:40:17 AM PDT by Snowy (Microsoft: "You've got questions? We've got dancing paperclips.")
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To: eastforker

Then we must assume, that Wal-Mart has WMD. I've been waiting months for this to development. I have a conspiracy theory that Wal-Mart helped Saddam acquire the Chlorine bleach and ammonia (of course, Taiwanese made...not American-made), and brought it secretly into Iraq.


26 posted on 05/18/2004 9:41:27 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: areafiftyone

You mean the Democrats LIED to us about WMD?!


27 posted on 05/18/2004 9:42:13 AM PDT by Nevermore
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To: Political Junkie Too
Well, there aren't any crops because the insects ate them all, because Saddam was too kind-hearted to disperse the insecticide with the artillery shells it was stored in...OK, the story's a little thin but they're professionals at the NY Times and I'm sure they'll smooth it up some...
28 posted on 05/18/2004 9:43:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AzSteven

"Abu = 'Son of'"

Or Son of a....


29 posted on 05/18/2004 9:44:09 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: r9etb

"Jordanian TV coverage of the Zarqawi plot included video footage of hundreds of gallon jugs containing chemical weapons that had been intercepted 75 miles from the border with Syria,......"

- Why havn't we seen this video since it was aired?? If this report is true, the "weak horse" media have been deliberately witholding information from the public.


30 posted on 05/18/2004 9:44:11 AM PDT by finnigan2 (My more advanced)
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To: areafiftyone

Iraq needs insect spray to combat epidemic levels of molaria in that country. Much more so than southern Asia.


31 posted on 05/18/2004 9:47:30 AM PDT by 1L
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To: AzSteven

Abus bit@&e$...(sons of b...)!


32 posted on 05/18/2004 9:50:19 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: areafiftyone; mhking; Travis McGee; Southack; Torie; Shermy; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; piasa; ...
Tuesday's Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. inspectors have found within the last few months "warehouses full of commercial and agricultural chemicals," which, if mixed and packaged properly, "could quickly become chemical weapons."

U.S. forces in Karabala have also recently uncovered 55-gallon drums loaded with chemicals that were said to be "pesticide," some of which were stored in what military sources described as a "camouflaged bunker complex."

WMDs, Nerve Agents, and Organophosphates (about those Iraqi "pesticides"...)
Gulflink.com / Kentucky Regional Poison Center

Posted on 04/07/2003 11:54:20 AM PDT by Sabertooth

Nerve agent (excerpt)

Nerve agents are organophosphate compounds. Nerve agents are normally divided into G-agents (fluorine- or cyanide-containing organophosphates) and V-agents (sulfur-containing organophosphates). The principal nerve agents are tabun (GA), sarin (GB), soman (GD), cyclosarin (GF), and VX

Nerve agents are all viscous liquids, not gases per se. However, the vapor pressures of the G-series nerve agents are sufficiently high for the vapors to be rapidly lethal. GB is so volatile that small droplets released from a shell exploding in the air may never reach the ground. This total volatilization means that GB is largely a vapor hazard. G-agents are potent inhibitors of the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, which is required for the function of many nerves and muscles. People poisoned by G-agents may display the following symptoms: difficulty breathing, drooling, excessive sweating, nausea, vomiting, cramps, twitching, jerking, staggering, headache, confusion, drowsiness, coma, and convulsions. The number and severity of the symptoms depend on the quantity and route of entry of the nerve agent into the body.

When a nerve agent is inhaled, a prominent symptom is the pinpointing of the pupils (miosis) and a dimness of vision. Nerve agents are cumulative poisons. Repeated exposure to low concentrations, if not too far apart, will produce symptoms.
Gulflink

Organophosphate Pesticides - Introduction (excerpt)

The organophosphates have replaced DDT as the leading pesticides because of their rapid breakdown into environmentally safe products. However, they have far more immediate toxicity than DDT and other related products.

There are more than 40 organophosphate pesticides on the market today and all can have acute and sub-acute toxicity. They are used in agriculture, homes, gardens, and in veterinary practice. They are all inhibitors of acetylcholinesterase (AChE) and cause similar symptoms. In 1999, more than 13,000 cases of organophosphate poisoning were reported to US poison centers, with more than 3000 cases seen in the emergency department (ED) and 83 fatalities.

Carbamate insecticides have a similar action of inhibition of acetylcholinesterase. However it is a temporary bond, usually lasting less than 12 hours. Additionally, the carbamates have less penetration across the blood-brain barrier than the organophosphates.
Kentucky Regional Poison Center



33 posted on 05/18/2004 9:57:09 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Nuclear warheads atop ballistic missiles targeted at European capitals.

That's the threshold for the media admitting Saddam had WMD. Finding anything short of that will be rationalized away as an attempt by the President at political damage control.

Sorry Jeeves, they would still blame BUSH. There is NO threshold for leftist hypocrisy. LOL!!!

34 posted on 05/18/2004 9:59:38 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a dork))
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To: oceanview

they cannot wait too long on this, they can't pop up with an October surprise WMD find - everyone will see right through that. It can't look like a political stunt. Tell the truth, and tell it now.

they're not waiting until October, they're waiting until after the Dim convention when Kerry is the official nominee. Blowing him out of the water before that makes it too easy for them to change horsefaces.

35 posted on 05/18/2004 10:02:34 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit softly. Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
The total politicization of the media is complete. It is pathetic.

You can say that again. It is working with our enemies.


36 posted on 05/18/2004 10:04:14 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: tx_eggman

I am not in favor of playing games with this stuff. Just tell the truth.

Let the Dems do whatever they want to do, they aren't going to dump Kerry when he is leading in most polls.


37 posted on 05/18/2004 10:05:25 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Sabertooth
Carbamate insecticides have a similar action of inhibition of acetylcholinesterase. However it is a temporary bond, usually lasting less than 12 hours. Additionally, the carbamates have less penetration across the blood-brain barrier than the organophosphates.

I guess this means the end of the Atkins diet????LOL!!!!!

38 posted on 05/18/2004 10:06:14 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a dork))
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To: Snowy
indicates that they have a strategic plan

I remember that we waited for another Bush to fight and people said just wait, he has a secret plan. Well he never used his secret plan and he lost the election.

39 posted on 05/18/2004 10:08:59 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: areafiftyone

BUMP!


40 posted on 05/18/2004 10:10:01 AM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: areafiftyone

Yes and how about the news last week that passengers on the "train wreck" in North Korea were Syrians with "heavy equipment"...Thank God for Bush, had we not gone into Iraq these forces would have been used against us here in the US...Thank God for the CIA\Delta\Seal operatives that took out the North Korean train...


41 posted on 05/18/2004 10:12:16 AM PDT by databoss (WMD's, Syria and North Korea...)
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To: finnigan2; Boot Hill

is there a link to a story on that, the "jugs" of chemical weapons? I hadn't even seen anything that showed the test results on that (alleged) stuff. this whole jordanian story fell off the map.


42 posted on 05/18/2004 10:12:40 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Nuclear warheads atop ballistic missiles targeted at European capitals.

That's the threshold for the media admitting Saddam had WMD. Finding anything short of that will be rationalized away as an attempt by the President at political damage control.

No, they would just blame it on America's actions just like Nick Berg's father is blaming his son's death on America because of the prison scandal. Even if a nuke goes off in Europe, we will be considered a causal factor. That's just the way Euroscum thinks. It's always America's fault.

43 posted on 05/18/2004 10:18:27 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: Mister Baredog
I guess this means the end of the Atkins diet????LOL!!!!!

Since carbs=bad, this is affirmation of the diet. ;^)

44 posted on 05/18/2004 10:18:28 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: Mister Baredog

Carbamate -- isn't that what Jabba the Hutt encased Hans Solo in?


45 posted on 05/18/2004 10:26:47 AM PDT by megatherium (waiting for the Pontiac Solstice to appear)
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To: Dr Snide

put womens panties on the head of the wmds. Sure fire way to coverage.


46 posted on 05/18/2004 10:32:18 AM PDT by snooker (John F'n Kerry, the enemy's choice in Vietnam, the enemy's choice in Iraq.)
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To: Sicon
OK, so does "Abu" mean psychotic, fanatical, murderous, or all of the above?

Wasn't that the monkey's name in Aladdin?

47 posted on 05/18/2004 10:38:50 AM PDT by blanknoone (I voted for it before I voted against it, and I didn't even show up for the vote!)
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To: Dr Snide; TBP
Now the White House has to find a way to FORCE the media to pay attention to this story.

There is no way government can force the media to do anything. A little thing called the First Amendment stands in the way. The White House could hold a dramatic news conference, with the President standing next to a table full of Iraqi WMD, and the hostile media would still find a way to diminish the moment.

Even in this era when alternative news sources are plentiful, there are many ways the so-called mainstream media shape what passes for news consumed by most people. One method is omission — if it isn't mentioned by Peter, Tom, Dan, Katie/Matt, Diane/Charlie, or the local "happy talk" news, the vast majority of the public remains uninformed. Another method is emphasis (spin): Yep, they found a shell filled with sarin, but it was old, rusty, probably just one that someone forgot about years ago.

When they combine both omission and spin, the effect is quite powerful. A current example is the fuss made the last couple of days over Seymour Hersh's article. He got a lot of face time on TV, always introduced as the "Pulitzer-prize-winning reporter" to emphasize that what he says should be taken as gospel. What the "mainstream" media omits is Hersh's long history of reportorial lies and misrepresentation. What the public is left with is the notion that Donald Rumsfeld all but ordered Iraqi prisoners to be abused. That is not true. Most in the media know it's not true. But the lie serves a purpose.

If I could wave a magic wand and effect reforms in modern journalism, I'd require:

(1) At least one named source in each story (i.e., no stories that rely totally on anonymous sources).

(2) Restoration of balance to libel and slander laws, making it easier for both "public" and private citizens to hold the media accountable through civil lawsuits.

(3) Tossing the silly notion of "objectivity" overboard. No human being is ever totally objective. Let every reporter and commentator inform the public of their political, corporate, and other affiliations, and let the chips fall where they may.

(4) Overturning the Supreme Court decision (Pentagon Papers) that said it is OK for journalists to steal in order to obtain source material for their stories.

48 posted on 05/18/2004 10:43:25 AM PDT by Wolfstar (I'm sorry the public shrugged when Clinton said truth depended on what the meaning of IS, is.)
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To: Sicon

;OK, so does "Abu" mean psychotic, fanatical, murderous, or
;all of the above?

What happens if you combine Abu and Mohammed in the same name ?

"Abu Mohammed Abu Osama" or somesuch.

Frankly I think the reason the terrorists have not succeeded more is because there names all contain 42 words. When the have a terror conference they have to spend so much time introducing each other they never get past the "icebreaker" when the conference is over.


49 posted on 05/18/2004 10:59:49 AM PDT by festus
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To: areafiftyone

Let the WMD issue grow and grow until all the prison "abuse" has no further legs. We are on our way to a spreadsheet of information. Timing is everything.


50 posted on 05/18/2004 11:04:34 AM PDT by sarasota
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