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Could Nick Berg's execution be fake?
Pravda ^ | 05/14/2004 | Pater Havlasa

Posted on 05/18/2004 12:17:44 PM PDT by presidio9

Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true? There appear to be a few problems with it, casting doubt on its authenticity. If these questions aren"t answered, one should be wary of the entire matter and be advised not to give in to the patriotic blindness brought on by the emotional charge this video packs.

Consider these inconsistencies with the video before making up your mind:

1) CIA claims it has examined the video and concluded that the hooded figure is Zaqrawi, a high level al-Qaeda operative. However, anyone who has seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim. Second, according to an US military report in April "03, Zaqrawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja. CIA does not elaborate whether Zaqrawi has magically sprung back to life or whether the April report was wrong.

2) The US media claimed that Zaqrawi lost a leg in 2001. Now, it says that he did not lose his leg after all. This flip flop seems too coincidental as the purported figure in the video doesn"t appear handicapped. The US does not elaborate on which intelligence is wrong.

3) The US media says the audio says that N. Berg was executed in retaliation to the US prison abuse. The reaction of the media was far too quick. It moved straight to using it in making a comparison between prison "humiliation" and a "beastly killing" saying to the shocked public "Look, we only humiliated them in the prison and look at what the animals do to us." It was quick to point out that what the terrorists do to Americans is far worse than what the US is doing to the Iraqis.

There are several problems with this. First, there have been numerous reported deaths in the US prisons caused by severe beatings so comparing "humiliation" to a death is the wrong comparison. Second, the tortures and abuses have gone on for over a year. If al-Qaeda were in the business of avenging prison abuse, it would have already done it and probably on several occasions. Otherwise it means that al-Qaeda gets their information from CNN or that it just happened to be a coincidence matching Abu Ghraib prison pictures with this video. It"s very unlikely that al-Qaeda would and could engage in this synchronized US media play. The timing of the video release and the media attempts to whip up an anti-Islamic frenzy suggests a media ruse timed perfectly to deflect the mounting outrage and condemnation of the US military.

4) The voice on the video says that an offer was made to the US military to exchange N. Berg for "some of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib". The US has not commented on this.

5) The Bergs claim their son was detained by the US and are blaming their son"s death on the US military but the US says that N. Berg was never detained and instead was offered a free plane ride from Iraq. It does, however, seem that in order to offer a plane ticket, the US military must have had some dealing with N. Berg. In any case, N. Berg disappeared when in US custody.

6) The victim in the video is wearing an orange prison jumpsuit, the kind seen in pictures of Guantanamo inmates. It"s hard to believe that al-Qaeda terrorists would be supplying their victims a regulation outfit. None of the recently kidnapped hostages in Iraq (Japanese and Italian) wore any uniform outfits whatsoever.

7) [WARNING: Reader"s discretion advised] A human head contains 1.5 gallons of blood yet the freshly decapitated head shown in the video is leaking none. Neck artery would squirt a foot long geyser of blood. There is no evidence of that either. Only one answer lends itself here: the video was doctored. Either a portion was clipped out or the beheading never took place as shown, with the possibility of the victim being already dead.

8) The victim never resisted the killing. Even when on the ground, only one person sufficed to completely subdue N. Berg.

This article aims at proving or alleging nothing. The point is to provoke doubt and hopefully stave off a few readers from becoming an easy emotional target and a news puppet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: nickberg; reynoldswrap; tinfoilhat
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1 posted on 05/18/2004 12:17:45 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

"Pravda" is still living up to the opposite of its title.


2 posted on 05/18/2004 12:21:12 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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'Course, there's that nasty inconsistency that he was found decapitated.

Pravda. On the cutting edge....

3 posted on 05/18/2004 12:23:52 PM PDT by theDentist (John Kerry never saw a TAX he wouldn't HIKE !!!)
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To: presidio9

I didn't think it were possible for the Russian Pravda to be less trustworthy than the Soviet Pravda, but it is.


4 posted on 05/18/2004 12:24:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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Come here Pravda...Let me saw your head off and we'll see if it is fake...


5 posted on 05/18/2004 12:24:46 PM PDT by TSgt (What have you done for your country today?)
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...or else the video was doctored

Even a redneck would retort to this with a ya' think?. The timer at the bottom of the video and the disjunct between the sound and the film is a tipoff.

6 posted on 05/18/2004 12:25:38 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: presidio9
>"This article aims at proving or alleging nothing. The point is to provoke doubt ..."

This almost defines
the media and the Left
in general now . . .

7 posted on 05/18/2004 12:26:21 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: presidio9

I'll believe it when DEBKA weighs in. <|:)~


8 posted on 05/18/2004 12:26:21 PM PDT by martin_fierro (I'm martin_fierro and I approved this post.)
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To: presidio9
The orange jump suit thing bugs me too. However I am more confused by the father's leftist connection and Nick's innability to explain what he was doing there since you don't have independent radio tower repairmen.

I think its possible that he was no "republican" and that he was there as part of some larger plot, and that the terrorists killed him despite that.

As for Pravda's conspiracy theories, there's a big angle they left out; how did the US garner control of the website that broadcast it, and after they did do that, why in the world didn't the terrorists issue their own claims that they were not in fact involved in this?

I trust the alledgedly spooky military industrial complex any day of the week before I trust PRAVDA.

As the grandson of a Russian immigrant, my Dad always had a interesting saying; "Never trust a Russian"

9 posted on 05/18/2004 12:27:03 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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Might tin foil hat has been on very tight since this all happened...
I had wondered where all the blood was ect.
GEE, THIS COULD BE A FAKE...WHERE IS THE BLOOD.


10 posted on 05/18/2004 12:27:07 PM PDT by joyce11111
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"Look, we only humiliated them in the prison and look at what the animals do to us." It was quick to point out that what the terrorists do to Americans is far worse than what the US is doing to the Iraqis.

What "media" is he listening to?

11 posted on 05/18/2004 12:27:47 PM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: presidio9

They found his headless body. Enough said.


12 posted on 05/18/2004 12:28:49 PM PDT by jerod
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Pravda still thinks the fall of the Soviet Union was 'faked,' and that Brezhnev is still running things from within his life-support battle chairtm. Anything else is 'CIA propaganda.'
13 posted on 05/18/2004 12:30:02 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Hey, I wouldn't touch Camryn Manheim's uterus on a bet.)
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To: presidio9
However, anyone who has seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim.

Voice comparisons, you idjits.

15 posted on 05/18/2004 12:31:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: vetvetdoug
Even a redneck would retort to this with a ya' think?. The timer at the bottom of the video and the disjunct between the sound and the film is a tipoff.

Try this:

Timestamps on Nick Berg Video, 2 cameras used

16 posted on 05/18/2004 12:32:48 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: theDentist

LOL. Those illusionists are my favorite act. Now where do they place their head when the blade "seems" to chop it off and make it.....disappear?!?!?!?


17 posted on 05/18/2004 12:33:44 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: presidio9

I've seen this stat posted before and still have a hard time believing the human head contains 1.5 gallons of blood.

Just picture a milk gallon jug (and then 1/2 again) on your shoulders...


18 posted on 05/18/2004 12:33:58 PM PDT by Florida_Freeper
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To: jerod

That was just an illusion. This guy deserves a standing "O".


19 posted on 05/18/2004 12:35:31 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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20 posted on 05/18/2004 12:35:46 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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