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Rocket launcher found near Atlanta rail-transit station
Ledger-Enquirer ^ | MARK NIESSE

Posted on 05/18/2004 10:51:38 PM PDT by Nitro

ATLANTA - A military rocket launcher was found Tuesday near a rail-transit station, but the FBI said it looks to be a less-powerful model commonly used to train soldiers and would be unable to bring down an aircraft or destroy a train.

The M136 AT4 launcher is used by the Army to destroy light tanks. It will be examined further to be sure it is only a training model, said FBI spokesman Steve Lazarus.

"If it is indeed a training device, it's something you can buy at any gun store," he said.

Lazarus said there was no cause for public alarm and the city's rail-transit system was not interrupted by the discovery.

The shoulder-held launcher was found around 2 p.m. by transit employees who were making a routine inspection of tracks near the Hamilton E. Holmes MARTA station just west of Atlanta, said Gene Wilson, MARTA police chief.

The empty launcher had been fired at one time, but investigators had not determined when or how it was used, he said.

"It kind of looks like mini bazooka," he said.

Wilson said the launcher was Army green and had military markings on it. He said he could not elaborate.

The launcher, which was about three feet tall and six inches wide, was found on an embankment next to a railroad track parallel to the city's east-west rail-transit line.

There was no immediate indication of how it got there. The FBI and police were searching the area to make sure there were no similar devices.

The site where the launcher was found is about eight miles northwest of the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atlanta; launcher; rocket; rocketlauncher; terror

1 posted on 05/18/2004 10:51:39 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
MARTA workers discover rocket launcher (H.E.Holmes station on west side)
      Posted by mhking
On News/Activism 05/18/2004 10:32:27 PM EDT with 11 comments


Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 5.18.04 | TASGOLA KARLA BRUNER
     
 
Rocket Launcher Found Near Atlanta Commuter Train Station
      Posted by swilhelm73
On News/Activism 05/18/2004 7:47:01 PM EDT with 17 comments


Local 6 ^ | May 18, 2004 | N/A
     
 
FoxNews: Expended rocket launcher found in Atlanta
      Posted by mikegi
On News/Activism 05/18/2004 4:28:32 PM EDT with 135 comments


FoxNews ^ | May 18, 2004 | FNC

2 posted on 05/18/2004 10:53:32 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: Unknown Freeper
I searched for rocket and launcher...

MAYBE I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED CAPS?

3 posted on 05/18/2004 10:55:13 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Something almost identical to this incident occurred in Kings County, New York late in 2003. I wish I could go to the archives of the Daily News or the Times and reference an article that detailed the story.

I'm sure that it was mentioned on FR at the time, though I can't remember right at this moment.

I can't tell you that I'm reassured by the suggestion that this rocket launcher couldn't have possibly destroyed a commercial aircraft or train, had it actually been used.

4 posted on 05/18/2004 10:58:00 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
This also happened in the South, one of the Carolinas I think. I read it on WorldNetDaily around the time of TWA 800. But that one was for a French Mistral Missile and it was on a tripod.

As for this article, I would like to have someone explain to me how a weapon that can 'kill' a light tank cannot 'kill' a commuter train car?

5 posted on 05/18/2004 11:02:09 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
My thoughts exactly.

I don't recall the F train being reinforced with any grenade-deflecting steel alloy in the past few years, and I doubt that any other commtuter trains have been designed to resist anti-tank mines or improvised explosives, let alone an RPG or surface-to-air missile.

6 posted on 05/18/2004 11:16:12 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: Nitro

If it had already been fired, as reported, it is about as dangerous as a piece of pipe. Just looks cooler ;)


7 posted on 05/18/2004 11:43:13 PM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
I am an R train regular, but I have used the F train on occasion. I actually must worry about these things as I am a Security type.

I work security at Shea Stadium and Madison Square Garden.

Shea might; and I said might, get a pass, what with the Republican National Convention coming to the Garden. That is the target.

But if we listen to the attack in Spain, they will wait until closer to the election.

On a lighter note, the last episode of "The Sopranos" sucked out loud!

8 posted on 05/19/2004 12:33:34 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: UncleJeff

Have you never heard of dry runs?


9 posted on 05/19/2004 12:34:48 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro

Have you ever heard of hysteria??


10 posted on 05/19/2004 12:38:09 AM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: UncleJeff
I am 6'4", calm and watching "War Games" on TNT while drinking beer.

Do I sound hysterical?

11 posted on 05/19/2004 12:45:44 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Same here.

I remember the bombing plot foiled-at the last possible minute-by the NYPD, which would have destroyed the Union St. station.

I can't believe they haven't cemented over or dynamited the Al-Farooq Mosque! That bitch is still living, breathing its malignant air, and waiting for the right moment to unleash its evil.

P.S. I wish I had cable! Though I've seen seasons 1 and 3, which are by far the best in Gandolfini's oeuvre.

12 posted on 05/19/2004 12:50:12 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
I am also ex-Navy and as ex-military I must say we don't have enough to toss in the flash-bangs and follow with Hellfire and Brimstone.

This is the big apple and while I am ex of the Military, I can almost guarantee that someone is watching them.

Relax, watch and report, but be careful... hate is still bad.

I mean I hate the enemy, but be careful who you target.

13 posted on 05/19/2004 12:59:34 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Excellent point!

P.S. Are you aware of the meeting taking place tommorrow night in Mid-town? I might have sent you a message earlier about it. I don't know how your schedule works out, but if you get the chance to come tommorrow, we'd love to have you.

14 posted on 05/19/2004 1:28:09 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
Tell me a little bit more...

I can't afford to be compromised.

15 posted on 05/19/2004 1:38:56 AM PDT by Nitro
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
I doubt that any other commtuter trains have been designed to resist anti-tank mines or improvised explosives, let alone an RPG or surface-to-air missile.

I'm not aware of any MANPADS type system that would a)guide on a train, or b)come under command control in the limited distance between the embankment and the train itself.

Actually, mines/IEDs would be much more damaging- standard US AT mine (M15) carries 20+ lbs of HE, while the AT4's warhead is ~5 pounds HE, and the stinger about the same.

I'd be more worried if we saw evidence that someone had been digging around the roadbed, or stashing a coule of shoe boxes on bridge supports.

16 posted on 05/19/2004 9:58:23 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
That's interesting.

My biggest fear involves the MTA subway system, since that has been the target of numerous al Qaeda/al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya bombing plots

We know that in the past year they had been working on the destruction of the Brooklyn Bridge by using gas cutters-however, that plan had already been scrapped by the time of that al Qaeda agent's arrest in Ohio.

I don't see how the NYPD (despite their best efforts) can prevent every single Islamic lunatic; and there are many of them, just stroll by Atlantic Avenue or Sunset Park some day, from detonating a bomb on a crowded subway platform.

17 posted on 05/19/2004 10:11:50 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
...detonating a bomb on a crowded subway platform.

yup. and I think it's more likely, and would do much more damage, than a rocket attack. I suspect the rocket tube has nothing to do with terrorists.

Now if it had been found near a large electrical switching/transformer station....

18 posted on 05/19/2004 10:19:22 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Good point.

These Islamic terrorists-despite the impression you might get from the numbing repetition of this inane mantra from the mass media-are not creative geniuses.

They are not out there to impress you with the aesthetically pleasing manner in which they can dismember you-though that is also a factor that goes into their decision-making process.

Their primary objectives, in this order, are:

1. To kill, maim and paralyze.

2. To sow fear among the general populace.

3. To destroy the intended target's economic system.

4. To sow division and weakness among their intended targets.

So far, they've been extremely successful in reaching almost all of the aforementioned goals.

19 posted on 05/19/2004 10:33:04 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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To: ItsonlikeDonkeyKong
They are not out there to impress you with the aesthetically pleasing manner in which they can dismember you

no...but I suspect they are interested in getting the biggest bang for their buck, and I suspect that while demented, they are not stupid- anybody who's had any training whatsoever would find the idea of tagging a commuter train with a rocket a waste- they're specialized tools, with particular attributes, which lend themselves to particular types of attacks.

I wouldn't use a Barrett in a drive by, or in an attaack on christmas shoppers in a mall- I'd use a shotgun.

I wouldn't use a rocket on a train...I'd use an IED or a couple stolen mines.

noww against a long string of LPG cars, on the other hand...

20 posted on 05/19/2004 12:02:14 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d
Well, I'm not sure how technically prepared these terrorist agents are.

While some them-like Mohammad Atta-are highly skilled-others-like Richard Reid-are merely pack mules who do the assignment handed to them without asking any questions.

A lot of these operations could just be decoys or dry runs for future attacks.

21 posted on 05/19/2004 12:07:13 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("She's not ugly! She's not ugly! She wouldn't even sour our milk...she's almost pretty...")
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