Skip to comments.Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"
Posted on 05/19/2004 2:54:18 AM PDT by Theodore R.
What do we offer the world?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: May 19, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
"So, how do we advance the cause of female emancipation in the Muslim world?" asks Richard Perle in "An End to Evil." He replies, "We need to remind the women of Islam ceaselessly: Our enemies are the same as theirs; our victory will be theirs as well."
Well, the neoconservative cause "of female emancipation in the Muslim world" was probably set back a bit by the photo shoot of Pfc. Lynndie England and the "Girls Gone Wild" of Abu Ghraib prison.
Indeed, the filmed orgies among U.S. military police outside the cells of Iraqi prisoners, the S&M humiliation of Muslim men, the sexual torment of their women raise a question. Exactly what are the "values" the West has to teach the Islamic world?
"This war ... is about deeply about sex," declaims neocon Charles Krauthammer. Militant Islam is "threatened by the West because of our twin doctrines of equality and sexual liberation."
But whose "twin doctrines" is Krauthammer talking about? The sexual liberation he calls our doctrine belongs to a '60s revolution that devout Christians, Jews and Muslims have been resisting for years.
What does Krauthammer mean by sexual liberation? The right of "tweeners" and teenage girls to dress and behave like Britney Spears? Their right to condoms in junior high? Their right to abortion without parental consent?
If conservatives reject the "equality" preached by Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, NARAL and the National Organization for Women, why seek to impose it on the Islamic world? Why not stand beside Islam, and against Hollywood and Hillary?
In June 2002 at West Point, President Bush said, "Moral truth is the same in every culture, in every time and in every place."
But even John Kerry does not agree with George Bush on the morality of homosexual unions and stem-cell research. On such issues, conservative Americans have more in common with devout Muslims than with liberal Democrats.
The president notwithstanding, Americans no longer agree on what is moral truth. For as someone said a few years back, there is a cultural war going on in this country a religious war. It is about who we are, what we believe and what we stand for as a people.
What some of us view as the moral descent of a great and Godly republic into imperial decadence, neocons see as their big chance to rule the world.
In Georgia, recently, the president declared to great applause: "I can't tell you how proud I am of our commitment to values. ... That commitment to values is going to be an integral part of our foreign policy as we move forward. These aren't American values, these are universal values. Values that speak universal truths."
But what universal values is he talking about? If he intends to impose the values of MTV America on the Muslim world in the name of a "world democratic revolution," he will provoke and incite a war of civilizations America cannot win because Americans do not want to fight it. This may be the neocons' war. It is not our war.
When Bush speaks of freedom as God's gift to humanity, does he mean the First Amendment freedom of Larry Flynt to produce pornography and of Salman Rushdie to publish "The Satanic Verses" a book considered blasphemous to the Islamic faith? If the Islamic world rejects this notion of freedom, why is it our duty to change their thinking? Why are they wrong?
When the president speaks of freedom, does he mean the First Amendment prohibition against our children reading the Bible and being taught the Ten Commandments in school?
If the president wishes to fight a moral crusade, he should know the enemy is inside the gates. The great moral and cultural threats to our civilization come not from outside America, but from within. We have met the enemy, and he is us. The war for the soul of America is not going to be lost or won in Fallujah.
Unfortunately, Pagan America of 2004 has far less to offer the world in cultural fare than did Christian America of 1954. Many of the movies, books, magazines, TV shows, videos and much of the music we export to the world are as poisonous as the narcotics the Royal Navy forced on the Chinese people in the Opium Wars.
A society that accepts the killing of a third of its babies as women's "emancipation," that considers homosexual marriage to be social progress, that hands out contraceptives to 13-year-old girls at junior high ought to be seeking out a confessional better yet, an exorcist rather than striding into a pulpit like Elmer Gantry to lecture mankind on the superiority of "American values."
What an utterly stupid statement.
Buchanan needs to get back on his med.
What an utterly stupid article. Too many questions from the author, too little answers. Little to no facts to support anything. This should never have been published simply for being so poorly written.
"What some of us view as the moral descent of a great and Godly republic into imperial decadence, neocons see as their big chance to rule the world."
I had to re-think our ability to nation-build when I saw Hollywood's immorality rise up in that prison. Been thinking about it for over a week. Here is my conclusion:
If not us, then who? We are the best ones to liberate Iraq. We are far from perfect. And Buchanan, using his brilliant mind to side with the left on this issue, is one reason why we are far from perfect. He calls us neo-cons. He is a pseudo-con, running off to join the Reform Party and split the ticket, clearly helping Al Gore. Then HIS party endorses Ralph Nader. Buchanan is brilliant, but if ever a person were called a 'cocktail conservative', it's Buchanan.
He is sounding an alarm and you must look at what he is saying in the larger context. We are embroiled in a cultural war here at home and our culture is rapidly becoming more dominated by the values of the entertainment/porn industry and by the gay-lesbian movement than by Conservative Judeo-Christian values. So the question becomes "which culture are we exporting and is it worth exporting?". Freedom, yes, that's a God given right but in the process are we polluting other cultures with our own decadent one?
His message is also a "call to arms". We need to fight the battle for our culture here at home with as much intensity as we have the global war on terror. The sins of Abu Grahib are only a symptom of the sickness that is pervading our own culture. We have lost the moral high ground abroad because we failed to keep it here in America. Until we regain it, the goodness that the world once saw in America will be only a memory. Again, freedom yes, but why would any country want the kind of sick culuture that we are evolving into?
Pat at it. "We should stand beside Islam on this" I deplore the slutty dress and actions. He wants us to make a law? I wish we had higher standards.
The answer is to boycott movies ,shows and singers that act or portray this.
I will not be standing WITH Islam on this when they proclaim nudity is worse than murder.
I gave up on Buchanan since he became the GOP "hitman" who helped to "whack" the Reform Party....
GOOD GRIEF!..Nudity in films...slutty dress and child pornography were produced first in Europe,the ones raising cain on these "atrocities"
...Sex was portrayed first in Europe on film and child sex slavery exists in Muslim countries. I wish Hollywood and TV would police itself and young singers didn't try to outdo Cher and Madonna. I wish teenagers didn't undress and do porn over the internet.
I wish parents would raise their children with good foundations.
The nation's morals are portrayed as atrocious. We have always had the immoral..just not on film and on the internet. We used to be laughed at by the world for being Puritans..now we are the seat of all evil?
We have always had the immoral..just not on film and on the internet.
** People forget that little fact.
Go Pat Go!
That's a strictly cultural phenomenon, and it occurs throughout Africa (including Egypt) whether it's practitioners are Moslem, animist or Christian!
I, for one, would not lift a finger to stop them.
I guess it was only "neocons" who died on Black Tuesday.
How any American can continue to support Patsy after reading statements like these is beyond me.
Hey, go easy on Pat. His father died in a concentration camp, you know.
He fell out of the tower.
I cannot believe this. He is openly supporting the enemies of America because he doesn't like risque' entertainment? I'm no fan of Britney Spears, but she, and all of us, do not deserve murder for it, or any of the things Patsy now supports.
I guess now he'll go over to Iraq or Afghanistan and join the Terrs. His thinking will earn him a place in their hearts.
You get a hi-five from me simply for recognizing this undoubted truth. He does it over and over.
Buchanan is brilliant, but if ever a person were called a 'cocktail conservative', it's Buchanan.
I wouldn't say he's a conservative with how I understand conservatism. He is a populist, through and through. Populism and conservatism are not the same.
You said it all, Bama!
cute graphic I like
He means that girls should be allowed to learn to read and attend school. He means the right of a woman not to be beaten if she goes out unveiled. He means women having the same legal rights in the courts as the men do.
Pat's statement would not be so upsetting but I just read an article how in muslim society if a young woman is raped. The men of her family will kill her to protect their "honor". (The article told how in Turkey, a court just sentenced all the men in a family council to long prison terms for such an act. - Hopefully a sign of change.)
Where's Barbarella and her Orgasmatron when we need her?
Why are you so so sure that all bad guys wish you dead and that no good ones do? :( Also, are you sure that you neocons are not bad guys too?
Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote:
"If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Now that our mission is "To Bring Democracy To Iraq and All Those Other Places Over There," are you telling us that we are going to help the Moslems with the First Amendment right to dance naked for tavern patrons?
While it is true that our faults do not abnegate our virtues--exactly when did this become a "War For Democracy?"
How about just eliminating AlQuaeda, Arthur???
You are seriously MISSING the key point. Buchanan is not talking about imaginary idealized America, (very DIFFERENT for the different American factions). He is talking about actual real America. The real America is expressed through the real actions in Iraq and through the radical changes/debate going in America intself.
Ponder carefuly on this one sentence "The president notwithstanding, Americans no longer agree on what is moral truth. For as someone said a few years back, there is a cultural war going on in this country a religious war. It is about who we are, what we believe and what we stand for as a people".
There are always disagreements over who the bad guys are...I have one with you, obviously.
You prefer a War For Free Sex?
We should pass more laws...or win more hearts and minds?
Who is this guy?
No, it is you who see the world black and white with the people divided into good (with you belonging to the first)and bad (where your enemies belong).
I agree with Solzhenitzyn and Buchanan - The main threat to America is from inside.
You are exactly right. It is schizophrenic to complain about the cultural degradation in America and, in the next breath, talk about how great we are. The fact is, we are far less great than we used to be, precisely because of the abortion on demand, rampant promiscuity, and near pornographic popular culture that Buchanan writes about.
note to self: continue to ignore Buchanan
I would ask you what the heck you are talking about, but I'm not sure I want to know...
Take for example, President Bush. He barbecues and eats pork on his ranch, an action seen as immoral by Jews and Muslims. His daughters drink alcohol with his apparent consent, an action seen as immoral by Baptists and Muslims. Also, when Jenna and Barbara visited wounded troops recently, they wore dresses that Muslims, Orthodox Jews, and even some Christians would find "immoral". Hell, even some of our more bluenosed freepers complained. I doubt any of the troops did, though.
Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics". "Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture. In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those.
We offer the world Pat Buchanan! Someone please take him.
I do not see the world in black and white..I far too old to do that...I have struggled over many things concerning this war before it began..I thought,I read and I remembered...and finally backed it..unlike some, my backing isn't based on polls, neo con opinion (depending on whose calling who a neocon), it is based on Iraq's past and it's future, and on our future. The road is long.
Pat is right about one thing . . . ugly women do look better in burkhas.
If I were a heathen of a foreign land with the knowledge of what America's "freedom" represents today, should the offer of such "freedom" be given, I think I'd just say "No, thank you."
The stupidity of pig-ignorant democrats knows no bounds.
I used to joke about Pat Buchanan having professed Shahada.
He just went out and frickin' did it!
I guess his name's now Patrick Mohammed al-Buchanan...
Schizophrenic or more precisely neurotic. There is a great story The Picture of Dorian Gray, a must read for some :)
Hey, nobody likes prophets.
The 'NEA' and the 'ACLU'.....
and 'BP' British National/Socialist/GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED oil/gas/refinery $$$$ at U.S. citizen gas pumps?
(What's success?....what's failure?.....whose tax base?)
Anyone who professes to be a Christian that says we should stand with Islam is beyond human help. Islam preaches your death as a Christian, yet you say stand with Islam as a Christian.
Lord, please have mercy.
I'm imagining a great photo parody... Pat in a kaffiyeh!
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