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Training-style military rocket launcher "not a reason for concern"
The Ledger-Inquirer ^ | 05/19/04 | Mark Niesse

Posted on 05/19/2004 4:39:14 AM PDT by truthserum

ATLANTA - A military rocket launcher was found Tuesday near a rail-transit station, but the FBI said it looks to be a less-powerful model commonly used to train soldiers and would be unable to bring down an aircraft or destroy a train. . . . Lazarus said there was no cause for public alarm and the city's rail-transit system was not interrupted by the discovery.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atlanta; homelanddefense; insurgency; rocketlauncher; terror; terrorists; training
Post WWI German trained an army with wooden guns. Reports after the WTC attacks indicate good reason to believe that the murderous bastards that killed 3000 + Americans engaged in dry-runs of their planned routes and attacks.

Now we are told that the discovery of a training-style rocket launcher near Atlanta's rapid transit system, on a hill looking down on the tracks, "was no cause for public alarm." When will we learn. Even terrorist follow the precept that practice makes perfect.

1 posted on 05/19/2004 4:39:14 AM PDT by truthserum
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To: truthserum

Wasn't it James Woods (the actor) who reported middle eastern men on a flight behaving oddly just days before the attack?


2 posted on 05/19/2004 4:44:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Don't vote, president Kerry will thank you for it.)
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed he did...and was totally ignored.


3 posted on 05/19/2004 4:52:47 AM PDT by evad ("Such an enemy cannot be deterred, detained, appeased, or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed")
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To: truthserum

Has anyone seen a picture of this thing on the net?


4 posted on 05/19/2004 4:53:01 AM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep


5 posted on 05/19/2004 4:53:21 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I know it doesn't make sense, I said it.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Ya know! Between this and the empty suitcases found, I'm kinda creeped out.

(how are you and your lovely bride?)


6 posted on 05/19/2004 4:56:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: truthserum; aculeus; 2sheep; hellinahandcart; dighton; BearWash; happygrl
Lazarus said there was no cause for public alarm

Well what's *he* worried about... he was raised from the dead.

7 posted on 05/19/2004 4:56:42 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Siobhan

Ping. Ping. Ping.


8 posted on 05/19/2004 5:02:15 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: netmilsmom

Put your trust in The Lord and keep your eyes open. Fear is for non-believers and that isn't you.

Mrs Conspiracy Guy and I are doing great! I'll FreeMail you a picture.


9 posted on 05/19/2004 5:05:00 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I know it doesn't make sense, I said it.)
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To: truthserum
There was no immediate indication of how it got there.

It got up and walked to the railroad all by itself, the same way the serin gas bomb got itself to the roadway. Ya know, I don't care if it's too small to destroy an entire train but is it powerful enough to damage the rails to cause the entire train to crash or could it destroy the car my family is in.

10 posted on 05/19/2004 5:05:14 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Conspiracy Guy

You are right, of course!


11 posted on 05/19/2004 5:21:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: truthserum

Could this be the one that brought down Fight 800, initiating the largest conspiracy and coverup in world history?


12 posted on 05/19/2004 5:36:50 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: netmilsmom

It takes effort but it can and should be done.

You have been pinged!


13 posted on 05/19/2004 5:39:20 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I know it doesn't make sense, I said it.)
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To: netmilsmom

What about the suitcases of body parts found at the Chesapeake Bay over the past few weeks??????? That's creepy, too.


14 posted on 05/19/2004 5:41:41 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: Agnes Heep

What they found was apparently a TRAINING AT-4 Launcher. It is NOT an anti-aircraft missle nor can the trainer fire any missles. Nor can it be modified to be used as a launcher. The fore end, laser transmitter, is removed and the shells are then disposed of as surplus. The most likely scenario is that it fell off a scrap car.


15 posted on 05/19/2004 5:45:44 AM PDT by USVet6792Retired (An Armed Society is a Polite Society)
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To: truthserum
No reason to worry??? Another excerpt from the article...

The M136 AT4 launcher is used by the Army to destroy light tanks. It will be examined further to be sure it is only a training model, said FBI spokesman Steve Lazarus. "If it is indeed a training device, it's something you can buy at any gun store ," he said.

Why can you buy something like this that can take out tanks at a gun store???

Can anybody send a link to the stuff on James Woods?

16 posted on 05/19/2004 5:46:20 AM PDT by Gordon_Blair
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To: Agnes Heep

Hearsay reports are that the bird that brought down flight 800 was a Swedish portable. It's optically guided, so it was targeted at the belly strobe.


17 posted on 05/19/2004 5:48:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: petitfour
What about the suitcases of body parts found at the Chesapeake Bay over the past few weeks??????? That's creepy, too.

Huh?

18 posted on 05/19/2004 5:50:32 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: USVet6792Retired
The most likely scenario is that it fell off a scrap car.All by itself?
19 posted on 05/19/2004 5:52:24 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Gordon_Blair
Why can you buy something like this that can take out tanks at a gun store???

You can only buy expended ones; kind of like inert grenades used for paperweights.

20 posted on 05/19/2004 5:55:12 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Here's the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1137172/posts


21 posted on 05/19/2004 5:56:19 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: truthserum

Come on. First it was a training round which carries much ,ess explosives, but that isn't the issue. The tube was empty and had probably been for quite some time. My guess is that someguy in the Army picked it up off the trash pile (as they are one use tubes) and gave it to his 10 year old son to play Army with. The kid played with it for a while and got distracted and left it laying on the ground.


22 posted on 05/19/2004 6:00:52 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Gordon_Blair

Keeee-rist! The thing was harmless. It was a tube that held an inert rocket like device that SIMULATES a real device. These are fairly cheap and when they break, the military takes off any valuable parts and throws it away.

Why is it in gun stores? Because the BATF has decided that they are HARMLESS.


23 posted on 05/19/2004 6:09:55 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: USVet6792Retired

Either that, or someone was doing a practice run with a real enough simulator that wouldn't get anyone in trouble if the person or team was caught. Both risk and likelyhood need to be considered in pioritizing this find.


24 posted on 05/19/2004 6:13:02 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: petitfour

Whoa! I didn't hear about that one. Body parts!?!


25 posted on 05/19/2004 6:14:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Supporting our troops, 5/27 - M59 & Old Van Dyke! Yoller if you see us!)
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To: netmilsmom

yup. Three suitcases found on three separate occasions, each containing body parts. Weird stuff.


26 posted on 05/19/2004 6:16:49 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: USVet6792Retired
Of course, the possibility exists that it fell off a car of the train that was carrying scrap metal. But, this article references Atlanta's rapid-transit system as the location of the find. I have ridden the system many times will in Atlanta for litigation. I have never observed that the rapid transit system mixes freight cars with its passenger vehicles.

Furthermore, the article states that the launcher was found on an embankment near the tracks. I suppose it is more likely than not that a training grade weapon was accidently bumped off the freight cars attached in a rare as hen's teeth moment to a city rapid transit train and that upon falling from the train the weapon bounced up from the track level ground up onto a nearby embankment.

I made clear in my initial comment that if this was a problem it was that it reflected training because practice, even for terrorists, makes perfect.

Of course the device may have been sourced elsewhere, and represent no danger to Atlanta's rapid transit (and freight???) system. And, of course, not every box-cutter put on board an airliner is intended to facilitate a terroristic attack.

27 posted on 05/19/2004 6:20:54 AM PDT by truthserum (Senior Counsel, The American Center for Law and Justice, Inc.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Is not a feasibility trial just as plausible: albeit more sinister?

If you can get it into the area undetected, well and good. If you can't, all the authorities have is a person that may or may not be placed under observation. Certainly possession of such an artifact isn't legally actionable.

So why leave it in the area to alert authorities? First, to see if it does get found, and you hear about it through normal channels. Second, supposing things shake down just like they have, and your artifact causes a stir; can the authorities track you down from it?

28 posted on 05/19/2004 6:20:54 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: truthserum
I suppose it is more likely than not that a training grade weapon was accidently bumped off the freight cars...

With no other detritus?

29 posted on 05/19/2004 6:25:06 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: All

This thing is completely harmless, I knew what it was the minute I saw it on the news. In its current state it is a toy and cannot be made dangerous unless you hit somebody over the head with it. I played with expended "laws" all of the time when I was a kid. This was an AT-4 trainer that fires a 9mm round prior to being disabled. You can get them at any army navy surplus store. Also no one would ever waste a rocket on a Marta train. Nobody rides it.


30 posted on 05/19/2004 6:27:23 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: papertyger

Answer to first, yes, it did cause a stir.

Answer to second, no, probalby not. Like has been said, they are sold as unusable scrap to dealers who sell them to people who collect military junk. The Army doesn't sell useable rocket launchers to the public. There are literally thousands of these things floating around.

If it was done for malicious reasons, it was probably to watch the police scramble like ants and the worriers wring their hands and DEMAND that SOMETHING be done.


31 posted on 05/19/2004 6:31:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: truthserum

The Democratic Party is poopin' in their britches over this. They were clinging to their "NO WMD'S!" chant, and this fact messes 'em up.

The Dem's Motto: When confronted with an inconvenient truth, either kill 'em or lie...whichever is most convenient.


32 posted on 05/19/2004 7:07:02 AM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Answer to second, no, probalby not. Like has been said, they are sold as unusable scrap to dealers who sell them to people who collect military junk. The Army doesn't sell useable rocket launchers to the public. There are literally thousands of these things floating around.

I think, perhaps, you missed my point. No body said anything about the tube ever being a live launcher while it was on-site.

The point is can you get something that looks like a rocket launcher into the area without being intercepted by "something" (guards, cameras, children playing, etc.)?

If you do get caught, they can't do anything to you for an inert launcher.

33 posted on 05/19/2004 7:15:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: truthserum

but... but... nobody uses MARTA


34 posted on 05/19/2004 1:25:35 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: truthserum
I have ridden the system many times will in Atlanta for litigation. I have never observed that the rapid transit system mixes freight cars with its passenger vehicles.

Technically impossible. MARTA uses a completely different system from conventional rail.


35 posted on 05/19/2004 1:46:02 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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