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Bayonet Brits kill 35 rebels (Brits Go Hand To Hand 5 to 1)
The Sun ^ | 5-19-04

Posted on 05/19/2004 6:53:59 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the Army’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago. The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.

Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.

The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.

After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.

Charge ... tactics from drills

When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway — and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured.

An Army spokesman said: “This was an intense engagement.”

The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; banglist; bayonets; british; handtohand; iraq; napalminthemorning; searchisourfriend; wot
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To: My Favorite Headache

Holy $hit!!!!!

Any word on Brit casulties? Those insurgents must've $hit themselves before they were gutted.


201 posted on 05/20/2004 12:02:42 PM PDT by Conservomax (You eat pieces of $hit for breakfast?)
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To: My Favorite Headache

God bless these British sons-a-bitches.


202 posted on 05/20/2004 12:05:24 PM PDT by 54-46 Was My Number
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To: Conservomax

D'oh - 3 minor casulties - whoops.

I like them numbers.


203 posted on 05/20/2004 12:05:42 PM PDT by Conservomax (You eat pieces of $hit for breakfast?)
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To: luvbach1

But then there is also Gallipoli, one of the most expensive stupidities in WWI.


204 posted on 05/20/2004 12:05:54 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Go Bravehearts!

I might even try some Haggis in their honor! I will for sure have a quaich of Dalwhynnie Scotch....


205 posted on 05/20/2004 12:06:44 PM PDT by blasater1960
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To: My Favorite Headache

HOOOAHHH


206 posted on 05/20/2004 12:07:29 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: ASOC

Somebody's got to collect these war stories and put them together in one forum or website or something.


207 posted on 05/20/2004 12:08:43 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

A Joshua Chamberlain moment. Outstanding!


208 posted on 05/20/2004 12:10:48 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Grampa Dave; Squantos
women's panties placed over their heads

I've done that...like a scalp sort of...or a trophy.

209 posted on 05/20/2004 12:16:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Never mess with a Scot Highlander.

Ever.

210 posted on 05/20/2004 12:30:19 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: Redcoat LI

Our thoughts exactly.


211 posted on 05/20/2004 12:58:07 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Sans Peur


212 posted on 05/20/2004 12:59:48 PM PDT by LTCJ (Gridlock '05 - the Lesser of Three Evils.)
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To: arthurus
They are emotionally still stone age people.

No, they are tribal people, with all the worst that goes with it.

213 posted on 05/20/2004 1:01:22 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

The two are not incompatible.


214 posted on 05/20/2004 1:03:35 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: bethelgrad
“This was an intense engagement.”

That is an understatement of Biblical proportions.

215 posted on 05/20/2004 1:03:38 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: arthurus

Most of WW I tactics were “expensive stupidities” - fighting a 20th Century war with Napoleonic tactics. No one seemed to learn from our own War between the States, and most of the European Powers had observers.


216 posted on 05/20/2004 1:04:51 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Wonder if the Brits got their issue of Rum, before or after the affair?


217 posted on 05/20/2004 1:05:39 PM PDT by Joee
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To: blasater1960

I might have scones with my oatmeal, but Haggis? Never!


218 posted on 05/20/2004 1:08:52 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: wardaddy

Post any pictures you might have, and then we can blame FR for abusing you!:)


219 posted on 05/20/2004 1:13:40 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (What left wing lies of the media, the DNC and foreign enemies will we expose today?)
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To: sociotard
Ahemmm. The 42nd of the Black Watch are the "Ladies from Hell"

Heaven help the man who hears the pipes that was not born in Scotland

220 posted on 05/20/2004 1:16:46 PM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: MindBender26
During DS, a group of 6 SF amd 6 Blue Suit FACs and "Air Commandos" was "advising" two Kuwati armor companies. Our friendly Kuwaiti woggies came across a company of Iraqi mech infantry. A few shots from the Iraqis (all missed) and the Kuwatis turned tail and unassed the area. US troops were so P.O.ed, they dismounted the Kuwati tanks, attacked the Iraqis on foot and killed or captured all of them, so the Kuwatis returned and claimed a "glorious victory for the Coalition forces" Isn't Allah great!

He he he

Ideology is supposed to protect those protecting it. They become confused when it turns out to be false and that they have to fight for their lives.... they simply cannot do it.

221 posted on 05/20/2004 1:24:47 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Vision

These were Scotland's soldiers, you know.


222 posted on 05/20/2004 1:28:15 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon
In every instance you cite, what we see is bravery or fanaticism, not backed with skill. Thus, the overwhelmingly lopsided casualties. Part of me thinks the Coalition troops quoted give some props to the Iraqis out of Western guilt or appreciation of the underdog. Sure, maybe if our troops didn't have body armor, air support, and the other superior technology, the Iraqis would give a better showing, but those Scots didn't have that and still wiped the floor with them.

If you read the new book, Machine Gun, it is a fascinating story of how labor short Americans had to find machines to compensate. US ingenuity is probably no substitute for good fighting skills, but integrated as a fighting skill is perfectly honorable. A good job well done, is what is needed, and not some waste of human AllaAkbar sewage.

Hand to hand skills are transferable in terms of philosophy to "higher" forms of killing.

223 posted on 05/20/2004 1:33:58 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: My Favorite Headache

That would be 35 more guys waiting in line for those same 72 virgins.......


224 posted on 05/20/2004 1:46:50 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: metesky; yarddog

With MacPhee's about, no man's pony is secure.


225 posted on 05/20/2004 4:04:31 PM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: metesky

Hat badge of the Clan Scott.


Note the motto, - “Amo” - and a very horny (major horns) stag.
226 posted on 05/20/2004 4:05:15 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Leisler
I know highlanders had a reputation for cattle lifting and whiskey drinking but my Grandpa would have died rather than steal.

On the other hand he did like the whiskey. He owned a large and successful farm but I wonder what he might have accomplished if he had been sober more often.

227 posted on 05/20/2004 4:12:48 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Cattle were too heavy to carry off across the mudflats, however a cute, blond pony....


228 posted on 05/20/2004 4:48:20 PM PDT by Leisler (The Democrats. The nation's oldest organized crime family.)
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To: familyop
"With that MOS, you were a smarter recruit than I."

Hehehehehe...well, thanks for the kind sentiments, but if I'd been really smart, I'd have put in for Warrant Officer flight school, and had some real fun! It was very rewarding, though, and I wouldn't trade that part of my life for anything.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

229 posted on 05/20/2004 5:37:42 PM PDT by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: navyblue
Okay! Somebody explain this! Why were 9 captured?

Surrender? So that the Brits could get some intel on where the 50-some that weren't killed or captured might be?

230 posted on 05/20/2004 8:02:03 PM PDT by steveegg (More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than in Abu Ghraib since we took it over (thanks Peach))
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To: Mr. Lucky

Oh...Scotland's soldiers ROCK!!!


231 posted on 05/20/2004 8:08:39 PM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: yonif
[ I condemn Britain and its operation, as it was unacceptable and wrong. ]

I agree.. They let 50 of them get away. Damn Argyl's. d;-' /

232 posted on 05/20/2004 8:14:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: My Favorite Headache; *bang_list

BANG and the SPIRIT OF THE BAYONET


233 posted on 05/20/2004 8:49:47 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: tjwmason

Oops sorry, I was reading your newspapers!


234 posted on 05/20/2004 9:49:03 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: RoseofTexas

Yeah, and if they only had a modern-day Walter Scott, Longfellow, and Robert Burns, and Homer; they would be writing long ballads about these fearless men; and, of course, our own fearless forces!

Two of the above were Scot balladeers (WS and RB)who were mentioned in an old English romantic literature book I had in College days. And of course, most people are familiar with Homer and Longfellow("Midnight Ride Of Paul Revere"). Now on Robert Burns;(author of "Auld Lang Syne") he was a big admirer of our founding fathers, and supported our War for Independence. Also, he was said to have drank a "health to George Washington"! And he was a Brit at the time, I believe. At least I think at that time Scotland was under the Brit crown. He also supported, at least at first, the French Revolution.


235 posted on 05/20/2004 10:12:06 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: My Favorite Headache

That'll teach those stupid rug pilots to outnumber and surround the Scots and then open fire on them...


236 posted on 05/21/2004 1:28:28 AM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: tjwmason

As Ireland is part of the British Isles, surely the Irish are British too?


237 posted on 05/21/2004 3:22:17 AM PDT by pau1f0rd
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To: pau1f0rd
It is sort of hard to keep up with, but I think Great Britain is composed of "England, Scotland, and Wales".

The United Kingdom adds Northern Ireland. Of course many Americans simply call them all "English" sort of like we called all members of the Soviet Union, "Russians".

238 posted on 05/21/2004 6:33:17 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: pau1f0rd
As Ireland is part of the British Isles, surely the Irish are British too?

The Irish question is highly vexed, as I am sure you are aware. Before 1922, undoubtably the Irish could have been counted as British, however at that time most of Ireland left the United Kingdom (to form the Irish Free State, later the Irish Republic), and did so with little affection for us; calling a southern Irishman British would generally be somewhat of a faux pas. Taking a purely technical definition, a British Citizen is a citizen of the U.K. (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland); this is probably the best one to use, though one should still be careful with the Northern Irish, 60% would love you for calling them British and 40% would hate you.
239 posted on 05/21/2004 11:06:23 AM PDT by tjwmason (A voice from Merry England.)
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To: My Favorite Headache; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; hchutch
DAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

HOT DAAAAAAAMMMNNNN.

240 posted on 05/21/2004 1:21:25 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Bayonets, I understand. Even charging down the enemies throats, I can understand. But they did this without BAGPIPES PLAYING?

What are they, nuts or something?

--Boot Hill

241 posted on 05/21/2004 4:53:56 PM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
And that ladies and gentlemen, is why you never, ever, mess with a Scotsman!
242 posted on 05/21/2004 8:44:58 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: flashbunny
There may be alot of them, and they may be crazy, but they sure as hell can't shoot and they apparently can't fight worth a damn, either.

A couple of weeks ago Fox had footage of some insurgents "sneaking" out to an ambush point on the outskirts of Fallujah. They had AK-47s, but the dipsticks were wearing white (either their shirts or those robes some of them wear) and one was even wearing one of those woven skullcap thingies--in off-white. Needless to say, they all ended up dead.

It is not only tolerance, scholarship and the industrial arts that the jihadis have left behind in their silly effort to remain in the 11th Century, but they apparently missed out on some advances in the combat arms as well. like, say, camouflage.

243 posted on 05/21/2004 9:24:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!


244 posted on 05/21/2004 9:35:01 PM PDT by redhead
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To: .cnI redruM; All


Tommy


I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!


245 posted on 05/21/2004 11:17:37 PM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (“Borders, Language, and Culture.”)
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To: My Favorite Headache

This should be HEADLINE news around the globe!!! This is the FIRST I've heard of it. An amazing story that deserves several FOLLOW UPs. Very frustrating, these Brits deserve no less.


246 posted on 05/22/2004 10:34:55 AM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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To: Joee
I would venture a guess that the Arabs had only guns w/o bayonets

Even if they had them, training in their use, and in countering those used by the enemy, is very unlikely. From all I've read, they can't shoot them worth a hoot, so bayonet training is even less likely. They seem to be best at firing them into the air, preferably one handed. :)

247 posted on 05/22/2004 4:08:59 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: handy
Awesome!

Especially considering the POS rifle they had to use. It's so short that it really does't make a very good "pig sticker", as is known to be even less reliable than the M-16.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture with the bayonet attached. However I did find this article, from the Sept. 15, 2002 on-line version edition of the London Telegraph , poo-pooing the military utility of the bayonet in the modern era, which I've linked for your amusement.

248 posted on 05/22/2004 4:33:36 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: FlashBack
The soumd of the pipes is an earie sound is it not...

It's great, every year at graduation (and at other times as well) the college where my wife is a professor, and where my daughters both graduated, they have piper's, in full regalia, lead in the procession, which starts with the regents, then the faculty, and finally the graduates, with those getting Master's degrees bringing up the rear. My daughter just got her MA from there last week. One of the piper was female (I think, at least in the past one has been) and one was rather dark complected for a Scot (but with a name suggestive of origins in a former Brit Colony which retains Brit military traditions), but there were three of them, most I've ever seen at the ceremony. It did tend to limit their repertoires to stuff that all three knew. Somehow they were all wearing the same tartan. The school is (more correctly was) affiliated with the Presbyterian Church, and thus the Scot connection.

249 posted on 05/22/2004 4:42:02 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: MinuteGal
I can hear the skirl of the bagpipes

You can indeed, right here.

250 posted on 05/22/2004 5:06:11 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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