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Today to McCain: "Are You Playing for the Wrong Team?"; Frets Rudy Treated Too Kindly by 9/11 Comm
The Today Show

Posted on 05/20/2004 4:41:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Edited on 05/20/2004 4:54:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A solid morning of fighting the good liberal fight for The Today Show.

The opening highlighted doubts about a US bombing raid in Iraq and an Israeli attack in Gaza.

Then, in the first interview, Matt Lauer was on the attack with Rudy Giuliani. The thesis: Rudy was not treated harshly enough in his appearance before the 9/11 Commission yesterday.

Q. Do you understand the amount of anger that some of the families expressed at yesterday's hearing?

A. Yes, people have different ways of expressing themselves, but the real anger should be reserved for the terrorists that did this.

That didn't satisfy Lauer. He cut Rudy off: "but blame and anger. Blame at officials responsible for overseeing the response."

Again and again Lauer returned to the assertion that the response was imperfect and that as a result lives were needlessly lost.

Rudy readily acknowledged that the response was imperfect but made the obvious point that nothing had ever prepared America for something like this, and that while he sympathized with the pain of the families who lost people in the WTC, there were other families to be considered, the families of the fire and policemen who died saving thousands of people.

The Lauer/Today strategy seems clear. With all the doubt about Iraq, the stories of the heroism of the response to 9/11 is one of the remaining feelgood themes we have, and in some way it redounds to Pres. Bush's benefit. So that heroism must be undermined and discredited. Lauer gave his best effort this morning.

Then it was on to a Katie interview with Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller who some time ago made a number of recommendations regarding the way detainees at Abu Ghraib should be interrogated. The Gen. made the point that the abuse was the acts of a small number of people who violated orders and that there was no culture of abuse. Katie was clearly skeptical.

But the key to the inteview was that, **at three separate times during the segment**, Today displayed a series of the abuse photos that we've all seen countless times.

By the way, I also kept careful count of the number of times this morning that Today displayed photos from the butchering of Nick Berg: it was exactly . . . zero.

Finally, a Lauer love-in with John McCain, Today's favorite guest. He readily took up the invitation to dump on Gen. Miller's assertion that there was a limited number of people involved in the prisoner abuse.

But Today's obvious main purpose was to open the wounds between McCain and the GOP with the hope of driving him into the arms of John Kerry.

Apparently McCain had made a comment to the effect that Americans weren't making enough sacrifices, meaning our taxes are too low. Today showed a clip of House Speaker Denny Hastert saying that if McCain wanted to see sacrifice he should visit our wounded soldiers at Walter Reed.

McCain said that he had done that, but that we shouldn't burden those people with big deficits, and anyhow what happened to the Republican philosophy of restraining spending and smaller government? (a fair point).

Lauer let the cat slip entirely out of the bag: "with fellow Republicans criticizing you, and Dem Sen. Joe Biden suggesting that John Kerry should give you a call regarding the VP slot, has it occured to you that you might be playing for the wrong team?"

McCain said no, that he was supporting Pres. Bush, that sometimes tempers got frayed and he understood. Actually a decent statement.

But this is clearly just an opening salvo in the liberal media's effort to help convince McCain to join the Kerry ticket.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; giuliani; giulianitestimony; mccain; nbc
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1 posted on 05/20/2004 4:41:56 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Today Show ping.


2 posted on 05/20/2004 4:43:03 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Just when you think it would be impossible for the Today gang to sink any lower, they surprise you.
3 posted on 05/20/2004 4:44:01 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Very good analysis of the more and more obvious agenda at NBC.


4 posted on 05/20/2004 4:45:24 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The left is very afraid that Rudy will be running for elective office in New York. They must try to discredit him to further their own agenda.

As for McCain, the moment he begins to act as a republican he will no longer be the darling of the media.

McC decides what is more important to the country......his face on TV.....or re-electing President Bush.

His choice is clear.

5 posted on 05/20/2004 4:45:51 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Amazing to me how Rudy is being treated.


6 posted on 05/20/2004 4:46:17 AM PDT by sauropod (Paleo-cons make better lovers)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I'll trade McCain for Zell Miller.


7 posted on 05/20/2004 4:48:16 AM PDT by Thom Pain (Quisling - from Vidkun Quisling (1887-1945), a synonym for "traitor")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I haven't had enough coffee for this one...They are without shame....I am surprised and delighted that McCain didn't add fuel to the desperate attempt to turn him.


8 posted on 05/20/2004 4:48:41 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Thom Pain

"I'll trade McCain for Zell Miller."

I'd even be willing to throw in a RINO to be named later.


9 posted on 05/20/2004 4:49:58 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; PhiKapMom

If McTimebomb were a good guy, he would turn each and every one of these "why don't you bail?" incidents into the media's biggest nightmare, going on and on about what a disaster Kerry would be, and what a terrific Pres and leader Bush is.

Dan


10 posted on 05/20/2004 4:50:05 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You ain't seen nothin' yet.


11 posted on 05/20/2004 4:50:40 AM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It (John Kerry once dreamed he was giving a speech. Then he woke up......and he was!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"We are PROUD, PROUD, to count among our terrorist clients Prince Mohammed al Faisal,
a major financier of the 9/11 atrocities, I mean, accident
which was caused only by the people of New York".
"


Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission




12 posted on 05/20/2004 4:51:02 AM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; PhiKapMom

In fact, a decent and aggressive McSomebodystopme would have said, "I might ask you the same question, Matt: are you playing for the wrong team? What team *are* you playing for? Making America look weak, divided, conflicted, guilty — who do you think that helps? What do you think led to 9/11?"

Dan


13 posted on 05/20/2004 4:52:26 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for posting this. Excellent.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 4:52:41 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Thanks, as usual! It's 6:51 CDT here in Amarillo; thanks to you, at 7:00 I will ALREADY know what I'm not going to be missing when "The Today" show starts!


15 posted on 05/20/2004 4:52:46 AM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rudy was just on Fox and Friends. On now, Al Sharpton and Jackie Mason.


16 posted on 05/20/2004 4:52:53 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Is there any chance that the demographics in Arizona are changing such that McCain must appeal to a more liberal constituency?


17 posted on 05/20/2004 4:54:28 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I believe there is evidence AZ is becoming more Dem/liberal, but not to the extent that it would explain McCain's antics. I chalk it up to pure ego.


18 posted on 05/20/2004 4:56:46 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: BibChr

Both your points are excellent! (Did you catch Krauthammer on FNC yesterday -- he thinks McCain does not at all want to be Kerry's VP, but is angling for Secretary of Defense under Kerry?)


19 posted on 05/20/2004 4:58:41 AM PDT by maryz
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
McCain is obviously very ill. Just looks at the mans face. Kerry has his own cancer issues. Kerry says "I'm cancer free". Sorry "JFK" but you can't say that for sure for a few years. And McCain would highlight Kerry's cancer issue.

What would they call the Kerry/McCain ticket?

CANCER AND CANCER-ER?

20 posted on 05/20/2004 5:01:10 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: maryz

I agree...That's why the demure "Kerry and I are friends" when he declares "I support the President".


21 posted on 05/20/2004 5:02:05 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: BibChr
In fact, a decent and aggressive McSomebodystopme would have said, "I might ask you the same question, Matt: are you playing for the wrong team? What team *are* you playing for? Making America look weak, divided, conflicted, guilty — who do you think that helps? What do you think led to 9/11?"

Wouldn't you love to hear that, from anyone to anyone in the MSM? Of course, you would never be invited back on TODAY and for many that is just unbearable.
22 posted on 05/20/2004 5:05:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"But this is clearly just an opening salvo in the liberal media's effort to help convince McCain to join the Kerry ticket."

Why does everyone seem to think that this is a winnable, dream ticket? If McCain did consent and was placed on the ticket, then you'd have TWO (2) oppotunistic jerks who would pimp-out their mother for a vote.


23 posted on 05/20/2004 5:10:08 AM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"Today" can give themselves yet another meaningless pat-on-the-back for another unabashedly biased interview. Then they can look up the street a ways where 3 previous unknowns on a cable TV network who host "Fox & Friends" are beating them quite convincingly in the ratings. In just a few short years E.D. Hill, Brian Kilmede and Steve Doocey have overtaken the morning news/talk format and put the networks in a frenzy to regain their previously unchallanged dominance. Personally, I cannot stand Matt and Katie and their nauseating self-importance. And I know that there are a lot of American television viewers who agree with me.


24 posted on 05/20/2004 5:12:31 AM PDT by BombHollywood
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To: no dems

I wouldn't disagree, but the fact seems to be that McCain appeals to many moderate Republicans and to independents.


25 posted on 05/20/2004 5:13:30 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Thom Pain

Zell is more valuable to the Republicans right where he is.


26 posted on 05/20/2004 5:15:41 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; no dems

I was more scared when al-Qerry and Ralph Nader were making nicey-nicey yesterday. Now THAT would be a ticket for us to fear.


27 posted on 05/20/2004 5:17:00 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Thatís not my SUVÖ.thatís the Kerry Family Truckster!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I'm not a big fan of Sean Hannity, either his style or intellect, but he could perform a service now. McCain does often appear on his programs and there is a question that needs to be asked and Hannity could ask it.

Sen. McCain often talks of Americans, particulrly youth, serving a cause greater than one's self. That question should be turned on him. Preface it this way:

" Senator, in these times it's clear this will be the most vital election in a generation. The times are difficult. The differences between the candidates are stark. You are a public figure with a large following of supporters. Don't you believe you should tell those followers and the American people now which candidate you believe deserves their unequivocal support? Don't you believe that you should do this without waiting for any concession from one of them about a program or policy you support, or without waiting for one of the candidate's to actively seek you support. Isn't it time for John McCain to put America before all else and endorse the candidate he feels is best suited to lead the nation in these dangerous times? We have only two choices Senator McCain. Which man should lead America?"

Long winded? Yeah, I am writing it for Hannity. But such a question would place McCain squarely on the spot. The President and Kerry present a clear choice. If the question of which man is asked now of McCain I believe he would have to answer. It doesn't matter what answer he gives. It would take the McCain drama out of the election now and let the contest be decided by the ideas, performance, and personalities of the two candidates.

28 posted on 05/20/2004 5:18:25 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: BibChr

The media and politicians are too cozy with one another for that to ever happen, but it would be the right thing to do.


29 posted on 05/20/2004 5:19:10 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I havent watched anything on NBC-CBS-ABC in 20 years boy am I glad we can watch FOX news.


30 posted on 05/20/2004 5:19:38 AM PDT by Unicorn (Two many wimps around The democrats would rather win the WH then win the war-Tom Delay)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It's becoming more statist because the Greediest Generation is moving there in droves...


31 posted on 05/20/2004 5:20:09 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Watery Tart

You're joking; right??


32 posted on 05/20/2004 5:20:54 AM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: xkaydet65

Well put, and I'd like to see Hannity put the question. And btw I agree with your assessment of Sean.

In fairness to McCain, he did clearly state today "I am supporting Pres. Bush."


33 posted on 05/20/2004 5:22:11 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

He would still be the VICE President, the VICE President.


34 posted on 05/20/2004 5:22:29 AM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The Sheep believe their media celebrities more than facts and the truth.

Katie tells them what to believe, and The Sheep will listen.


35 posted on 05/20/2004 5:23:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: no dems

Not really.

*Nader has more name recognition than McCain with the sheeeeple, IMO.

*Lots of Dems really want to vote for Nader, but most know that a vote for him is a virtual vote for GW. This way, they might be figuring they can combine their paltry percentages and overtake GW.

Just a gut reaction on my part. Where am I going wrong?


36 posted on 05/20/2004 5:38:46 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Thatís not my SUVÖ.thatís the Kerry Family Truckster!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This effort by the media to get McCain to switch teams is actually good for the GOP.

The odds of McCain actually getting the VP slot are slim and none. He would overshadow Kerry. More importantly, he would overshadow Hillary. Furthermore, even as a RINO, McCain is too far right (abortion, for example) for the Democratic Party of 2004. Furthermore, McCain has enough baggage in his closet (calling an Asian reporter a "gook," being part of the Keating five), that the GOP could destroy him if he got the nod.

So, there is no way he is getting the Dem VP nomination. However, by continuing to pursue him, the media is subtly reinforcing the idea that there is no one in the Democratic Party capable of igniting the Kerry ticket. They are also creating a mindset where whomever gets the VP nod is going to be a disappointment.

As such, I really, really, hope they keep this nonsense up. All they are doing is creating the impression that it takes a republican to save a democrat (so to speak),


37 posted on 05/20/2004 5:39:55 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Thom Pain; governsleastgovernsbest
Zell Miller was great on Hannity & Colmes last night. He was kicking Colmes' sissy little a**.

"Perspective" was a word that kept coming up. I believe that "perspective" is to the Left as a cross is to a vampire.

It's easier and more fun to emote from the latest anecdote than it is to actually construct a mental edifice and apply it to the world with the systematic reasoning model.

This is precisely why the Left is destroying the government schools - to replace reason with emotion.

38 posted on 05/20/2004 5:46:38 AM PDT by an amused spectator (The SeeBS of 2004 would have revealed the precise date and location of the Normandy Invasion)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Prime Choice
Dhimmicrats
39 posted on 05/20/2004 5:53:46 AM PDT by an amused spectator (The SeeBS of 2004 would have revealed the precise date and location of the Normandy Invasion)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
by continuing to pursue him, the media is subtly reinforcing the idea that there is no one in the Democratic Party capable of igniting the Kerry ticket. They are also creating a mindset where whomever gets the VP nod is going to be a disappointment.

Excellent points. However, if by chance McCain were to run as VP, there were be such a continuing liberal media gush that I'm concerned it would drown out any criticism.

40 posted on 05/20/2004 5:57:52 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Diogenesis

For 2 years after 9/11 everyone had nothing but praise for Guiliani as well as the Firemen and police who responded. Now that it is an election year the left is attacking EVERYTHING related to 9/11. They have no shame. I wouldn't be surpised if they attacked the airline industry for the jets not being surivable in building impacts. BTW, the families of the victims have become immensely irritating, as they are willing pawns of the Rat party. They should just take their blood money, shut up and disappear.


41 posted on 05/20/2004 6:04:17 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: xkaydet65

I've heard John McCain publicly endorse GW's re-election and because of his support for the war on terrorism.
He considers himself a loyal republican (with a lot of strange friends).


42 posted on 05/20/2004 6:06:10 AM PDT by hford02 ((Hold your nose and pull the lever on the right))
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To: sauropod

Once more, Matt Lauer does not 'get it'. He really should know better than to badger Rudy Giuliani, that is similar to poking a hornets' nest with a stick.


43 posted on 05/20/2004 6:11:15 AM PDT by alloysteel (Live well and prosper. Beam me up, Scottie....)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The only people to blame for 9-11 are the House, Senate and X42.


44 posted on 05/20/2004 6:17:52 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Not sure if you're being facetious or not. If you're serious, aren't you forgetting Al-Qaeda?


45 posted on 05/20/2004 6:28:50 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: no dems; PhiKapMom; My2Cents

I think you're right, you'd have two insufferable, full-of-themselves, prickly gasbags.

BUT

But here's what I think you're leaving out: that is not how The Media would present it, and that means everything. Sadly. The Media would present it as the Dream Ticket. GW Bush is SO BAD that even a loyal Republican, because of conscience and through an agonizing process, just was FORCED to bail on his own corrupt, hopeless party. So shouldn't you really do the same?
And many, many idiot sheeple would.

Your point's a good one. But only if the GOP had the guts to mount a truly aggressive, Clintonlike (if you understand what I mean by that — aggressive, 24/7, take-no-prisoners, instant-response-to-everything, spokesmen all over the media) response-campaign.

And where's the evidence that they have that in them?

Dan


46 posted on 05/20/2004 6:34:13 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

You have that right! McCain IMO has "zero" integrity -- face time means more to him then anything.

As for the "TODAY" show, I wouldn't watch it if they paid me!


47 posted on 05/20/2004 6:36:31 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Al-Qaeda qould have been nothing but a memory if the three I mentioned had done their jobs properly and upheld their sworn oaths.


48 posted on 05/20/2004 6:37:00 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for conservatives!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

See #48.


49 posted on 05/20/2004 6:37:34 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for conservatives!)
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To: PhiKapMom
As for the "TODAY" show, I wouldn't watch it if they paid me!

Our Motto: "Sacrificing Our Digestive System Since 2001 So You Don't Have To!"

50 posted on 05/20/2004 6:38:44 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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