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Today to McCain: "Are You Playing for the Wrong Team?"; Frets Rudy Treated Too Kindly by 9/11 Comm
The Today Show

Posted on 05/20/2004 4:41:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Edited on 05/20/2004 4:54:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A solid morning of fighting the good liberal fight for The Today Show.

The opening highlighted doubts about a US bombing raid in Iraq and an Israeli attack in Gaza.

Then, in the first interview, Matt Lauer was on the attack with Rudy Giuliani. The thesis: Rudy was not treated harshly enough in his appearance before the 9/11 Commission yesterday.

Q. Do you understand the amount of anger that some of the families expressed at yesterday's hearing?

A. Yes, people have different ways of expressing themselves, but the real anger should be reserved for the terrorists that did this.

That didn't satisfy Lauer. He cut Rudy off: "but blame and anger. Blame at officials responsible for overseeing the response."

Again and again Lauer returned to the assertion that the response was imperfect and that as a result lives were needlessly lost.

Rudy readily acknowledged that the response was imperfect but made the obvious point that nothing had ever prepared America for something like this, and that while he sympathized with the pain of the families who lost people in the WTC, there were other families to be considered, the families of the fire and policemen who died saving thousands of people.

The Lauer/Today strategy seems clear. With all the doubt about Iraq, the stories of the heroism of the response to 9/11 is one of the remaining feelgood themes we have, and in some way it redounds to Pres. Bush's benefit. So that heroism must be undermined and discredited. Lauer gave his best effort this morning.

Then it was on to a Katie interview with Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller who some time ago made a number of recommendations regarding the way detainees at Abu Ghraib should be interrogated. The Gen. made the point that the abuse was the acts of a small number of people who violated orders and that there was no culture of abuse. Katie was clearly skeptical.

But the key to the inteview was that, **at three separate times during the segment**, Today displayed a series of the abuse photos that we've all seen countless times.

By the way, I also kept careful count of the number of times this morning that Today displayed photos from the butchering of Nick Berg: it was exactly . . . zero.

Finally, a Lauer love-in with John McCain, Today's favorite guest. He readily took up the invitation to dump on Gen. Miller's assertion that there was a limited number of people involved in the prisoner abuse.

But Today's obvious main purpose was to open the wounds between McCain and the GOP with the hope of driving him into the arms of John Kerry.

Apparently McCain had made a comment to the effect that Americans weren't making enough sacrifices, meaning our taxes are too low. Today showed a clip of House Speaker Denny Hastert saying that if McCain wanted to see sacrifice he should visit our wounded soldiers at Walter Reed.

McCain said that he had done that, but that we shouldn't burden those people with big deficits, and anyhow what happened to the Republican philosophy of restraining spending and smaller government? (a fair point).

Lauer let the cat slip entirely out of the bag: "with fellow Republicans criticizing you, and Dem Sen. Joe Biden suggesting that John Kerry should give you a call regarding the VP slot, has it occured to you that you might be playing for the wrong team?"

McCain said no, that he was supporting Pres. Bush, that sometimes tempers got frayed and he understood. Actually a decent statement.

But this is clearly just an opening salvo in the liberal media's effort to help convince McCain to join the Kerry ticket.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; giuliani; giulianitestimony; mccain; nbc
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To: Bikers4Bush

They all could have done a better job, no doubt, but surely Al Qaeda remains the #1 culprit. If Al Qaeda manages another attack in the US, would you put all the blame on W?


51 posted on 05/20/2004 6:39:58 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Watery Tart
Lots of Dems really want to vote for Nader, but most know that a vote for him is a virtual vote for GW. This way, they might be figuring they can combine their paltry percentages and overtake GW.

Just a gut reaction on my part. Where am I going wrong?

The elections hinge on the mushy middle. A Kerry/Nader ticket will consolidate the Democratic vote giving them a full 40% of the electorate. The Bush/Cheney ticket will get it's 40%. The mushy middle will then decide the election in the battleground states.

In my opinion, a Kerry/Nader ticket will have more negatives in the minds of the mushy middle. It will force more of the mushy middle to vote for the Bush/Cheney ticket.

52 posted on 05/20/2004 6:41:58 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanks for the review.

Some thoughts:


53 posted on 05/20/2004 6:42:37 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Lord Kerry demands ... a shrubbery!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But this is clearly just an opening salvo in the liberal media's effort to help convince McCain to join the Kerry ticket.

IMO .. they don't want McCain as VP .. they are just using him as a cover and a distraction

McCain marches to his own drum and the Dem won't be able to control him

BTW .. I did read an article in The New Yorker awhile back that McCain's old adviser is helping the Kerry campaign .. Does anyone know if this is true?

54 posted on 05/20/2004 6:43:28 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I'll repeat it. Had the three done their jobs and upheld their sworn oaths Al-Qaeda would be a distant memory.

If Al-Qaeda manages another attack and any of those perpetrating the attack are illegal aliens or aliens with expired passports I will definately put the blame on W as well as the house and senate.

They alone are responsible for the funding and legal changes needed to fight these scumbags.


55 posted on 05/20/2004 6:45:05 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for conservatives!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

56 posted on 05/20/2004 6:46:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: sauropod
Amazing to me how Rudy is being treated

Not really .. the dems are in the middle of a melt down

After all Rudy did for NY when 9/11 happened .. only desperate people would try to attack him and accuse him of not doing enough

57 posted on 05/20/2004 6:47:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: mewzilla

Stop watching it before you go blind. There is way too much stress in today's Islamo-terrorist world to watch these flaming a'holes.


58 posted on 05/20/2004 6:50:14 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah, but he says it in the same way that Michael Moore says, "I support the troops"

The subtext is, "because if I don't, my party will put me in a home, which is really where I belong."


59 posted on 05/20/2004 6:50:45 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Krauthammer said yesterday that McCain will go Dem, claiming that the party left him, not he the party. Said this is just laying the groundwork.


60 posted on 05/20/2004 6:52:49 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: OldFriend

"The left is very afraid that Rudy will be running for elective office in New York. They must try to discredit him to further their own agenda."

The disconnect between the dim/lib spin/attack and reality has never been more pronounced.

Hopefully, enough New Yorkers will be going - "Are they talking about Rudy? OUR Rudy?" And then pick him over Shrillary anyway.


61 posted on 05/20/2004 6:52:57 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: Diogenesis

Another photo to add to the Nick Berg/911 collection. Liberal thought processes must stem from a drug trip gone wrong sometime in their life. They have lost all common sense.


62 posted on 05/20/2004 6:54:27 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: hford02
He considers himself a loyal republican (with a lot of strange friends).

Keyword would be "HE"

If McCain is soooooooo concerned about Americans aren't making enough sacrifices and that our taxes are too low ... then why doesn't Congress cut back on spending with their Pet Projcts??

63 posted on 05/20/2004 7:02:18 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: 7thson

Interesting about Krauthammer's remarks - I missed them. I have a lot of respect for Kraut, but disagree with him on this one. It serves McCain's purposes better to remain a Republican. This way he gets all the attention and credit for being a "maverick." He'd lose that if he became just another Dem. And he'd also in all likliehood be joining the Senatee minority.


64 posted on 05/20/2004 7:04:15 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Let's Roll

NYC is populated by too many retards these days - Hilly is Senator for life, they won't turn their back on their patronizing patron.


65 posted on 05/20/2004 7:06:06 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY

Good tag line, but you forgot my favorite in that list: "spindled."


66 posted on 05/20/2004 7:10:52 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

GHiuliani was treated by the 9-11 commission with the kind of courtesy they should have extened to ALL those they interviewed, INCLUDING the members of the Bush administration.

They aren't a grand jury, they are a committee of inquiry.

Kean is totally incompetent as chairman of that committee. Disruptive members of the publis - regardless of personal connections with that tragedy - should be immediately removed.

By the way, HOW are a bunch of politicians and government bureaucrats with such limited knowledge of security and defense operations - in general - qualified to conduct an inquiry into this event, ANYWAY???

I think we need a Committee to investigate the 9-11 Committee.


67 posted on 05/20/2004 7:11:57 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Then it was on to a Katie interview with Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller who some time ago made a number of recommendations regarding the way detainees at Abu Ghraib should be interrogated. The Gen. made the point that the abuse was the acts of a small number of people who violated orders and that there was no culture of abuse. Katie was clearly skeptical.

Joining the increasingly insane Chrissy Matthews. He has decided that there is no way on God's green earth the MP's would have access to a dog collar and leash unless they got them from "higher ups" (his new pet phrase---Matthews has a disturbing propensity to get a buzzword or phrase in his head and then repeat it endlessly for days on end) for the express purpose of using them on prisoners.

Nevermind that we already know the low level jerks had access to guard DOGS which probably had *collars* and *leashes* as standard issue and therefore their access to these items does not indicate that they were ordered directly by Rumsfeld to engage in their perversion.

68 posted on 05/20/2004 7:13:38 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Joining the increasingly insane Chrissy Matthews.

Serious question: what the hell has happened to Matthews? He used to be an honest liberal who would take shots at both sides. He has turned into a grovelling Dem sycophant and partisan Bush-basher.

My only guess is that he's concluded that he has lost the battle for the conservative audience to Fox, and has decided to carve out a niche for himself by sucking up to liberal TV viewers.

69 posted on 05/20/2004 7:17:15 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I have no idea. Like you I used to think he was open to reason. I used to say that he is susceptible to dem talking points but will concede facts when confronted with them.

No more. He has completely gone off the deep end and has been not just wrong but outright offensive in his wrongness.


70 posted on 05/20/2004 7:20:31 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thank You!

A solid morning of fighting the
good liberal fight for The Today Show.

Why would anyone from the Right do an
interview with Katie & Lauer from
with their Far Left Agenda?

Matt says to Katie:
Can you believe we make millions
to make the Republican's look stupid
everyday?

Katie replies
Yes Matt! Isn't it great!!!
Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

71 posted on 05/20/2004 7:24:04 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Let's Roll

Rather see Rudy as governor. One of one hundred moronic senators is a waste of his leadership skills.


72 posted on 05/20/2004 7:44:18 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: OldFriend
Rather see Rudy as governor.

Yes, but. In becoming Senator he would be defeating Hillary. And he is surely the only NY Republican who could do that. So for that reason I'd much rather see him run for Senate than Gov.

73 posted on 05/20/2004 7:57:13 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

MSNBC will be off the air after the election. Chrissy has only a finite period of time to do his dirty work.....


74 posted on 05/20/2004 8:09:30 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: sauropod


75 posted on 05/20/2004 8:42:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Again and again Lauer returned to the assertion that the response was imperfect and that as a result lives were needlessly lost.

This has been the latest tactic of those on the left. Why??? Because Rudy, the NYFD,the NYPD, the Port Authority and others did all that they could humanly do under the circumstances that day and, everybody knows it. In the days after 9/11, even the media trumpeted this and, as a result, Rudy is known as "America's Mayor" and, the NYFD and NYPD and others are all referred to as heroes. But you know what? One of the unintended consequences of all the positive publicity has been the positive publicity for Rudy, who is a Republican.The RATS and the media are now in full smear mode, trying to revise history again and redefine Rudy as an inept leader and all the services who responded as being less than prepared for such an event.

These vermin make me sick. When W is re-elected, it will be nice watching them squirm for another 4 years.

76 posted on 05/20/2004 8:59:09 AM PDT by capydick ("Vigilance, not appeasement, is the byword of living freedoms.")
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To: OldFriend

Getting a leader in Albany is New York's problem. I want as many U.S. senators in the Republican caucus as possible.


77 posted on 05/20/2004 9:30:41 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: Let's Roll

If you think Rudy is conservative you are smoking something.


78 posted on 05/20/2004 10:19:13 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: OldFriend

Did I mention conservative in my post? Then I guess I'm not smoking anything, am I?

You don't have to be a conservative to caucus with the Republicans in the senate.
I'm explaining this to you because you obviously don't understand or didn't read my post. We want committee chairmanships, we want to "run" the senate (maybe someday we will even get a majority leader with backbone, but that's a different issue).

To that end, the more Republicans we can get the better - you will not get a conservative republican senator from NY - Rudy is the best available and the one who can beat Hillary. And when he does, her political career is over - that means no run at the WH in 2008. That is why this commission is attacking him.


79 posted on 05/20/2004 10:58:06 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: been_lurking

Your lips to God's ear.

They were just a little too chummy for me. ;o)


80 posted on 05/20/2004 2:26:29 PM PDT by Watery Tart (Thatís not my SUVÖ.thatís the Kerry Family Truckster!)
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