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WINTERSOLDIER.COM: Complete VVAW FBI files (21K pages) online!
Winter Soldier ^ | 5/20/2004 | diotima

Posted on 05/20/2004 1:36:13 PM PDT by diotima

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What's new on wintersoldier.com:

May 20, 2004 -- Now available from WinterSoldier.com -- the entire 21,477 page collection of FBI files detailing the activities of Vietnam Veterans Against the War during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Wade right into our new Complete VVAW FBI Files section for days, nay, weeks of investigative enjoyment.

A quick look through a few files turned up an interesting proclamation that the VVAW issued in February of 1971:

"We, as veterans of the war in Vietnam, give notice that if Laos is attacked, we will respond at once. We call for mass civil disobedience to take place all over this country. We call for industry to shut down. We call upon the students to close the schools. We call upon our brothers who are still in uniform to close the military bases throughout America and the world. We call on the anti-war movement to shut down the major cities of America.... If this be a threat, let us make the most of it... We have been trained to fight. If need be we will use the knowledge we have gained against those who are seeking to extend this war." -- 100-HQ-448092, Section 02, page 66.

Such threats of sedition and violence seem a bit difficult to square with Kerry campaign spokesman Michael Meehan's recent description of the VVAW as "thoughtful" and "moderate," but no doubt there's a reasonable explanation. Incidentally, one of North Vietnam's greatest fears was that U.S. forces would move enough ground forces into Laos to cut off the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The VVAW, so it appears, felt exactly the same way.

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May 19, 2004 -- Vietnam Veterans for the Truth has made announcement forms available for their Kerry Lied Rally in Washington on September 12. They plan to bring 100,000 veterans and their supporters to the nation's capital to "tell the truth about Vietnam veterans, and to counter the lies John Kerry told about them." The KLR leadership is looking for local and regional coordinators, so consider dropping them a line.

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May 18, 2004 -- We have added a 1971 article from the Philadelphia Inquirer titled Two Veterans: Study in Contrasts to our News Articles section. The photocopy is old and smudged, but you will want to read it. Trust us.

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Read 'em and weep!
1 posted on 05/20/2004 1:36:15 PM PDT by diotima
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To: Nick Danger; Interesting Times; abner

ping


2 posted on 05/20/2004 1:37:00 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 05/20/2004 1:38:27 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (You make me feel warm all over. No...wait...I'm soaking in a puddle of my own urine.)
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To: diotima

Anything new regarding the KC meetings in there?


5 posted on 05/20/2004 1:41:35 PM PDT by sathers
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To: diotima; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; dixiechick2000; Tamsey; ...

Oh my my


6 posted on 05/20/2004 1:42:07 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: sathers

We are still working our way through them.


7 posted on 05/20/2004 1:42:31 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima

Care to guess how much coverage this will get in the "lamestream" Leftist media?

(I'll give you a hint: less than zero.)


8 posted on 05/20/2004 1:44:44 PM PDT by SpyGuy
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To: diotima
An excerpt:

Section 66 page 9: Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Winter Soldier Organization: The VVAW was formed in 1967 as an organization of Vietnam Veterans to protest American involvement in the was in Southeast Asia. Since that time VVAW leaders have told members the VVAW is a revolutionary group, not "Just another group of war veterans". Also, the membership has been told the VVAW has been asked to cooperate on an international level with many organizations, including Communist and Maoist groups.

Apparently, Kerry has been dealing with foreign leaders for quite a while now...

9 posted on 05/20/2004 1:48:22 PM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: diotima
Thank you!

Crosslinked:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

10 posted on 05/20/2004 1:49:52 PM PDT by backhoe (--30--)
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To: diotima

I just picked one pdf and guess what name I found immediately? Yes, the French looking, presumptive democrat nominee for President of the US... Amazing.


11 posted on 05/20/2004 1:52:44 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: diotima

Can I send you a case of good coffee?

Prairie


12 posted on 05/20/2004 1:53:53 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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To: diotima
"We, as veterans of the war in Vietnam, give notice that if Laos is attacked, we will respond at once. We call for mass civil disobedience to take place all over this country. We call for industry to shut down. We call upon the students to close the schools.

I remember those days. I was teaching at NYU at the time. Somebody firebombed the library basement, which fortunately was controlled. One of the students sitting in the front row of one of my classes had a cast on a broken leg which she got from jumping out a window during a sit-in. And our faculty stupidly listened to this call for revolution and decided not to give our students any grades that semester in response to Johnson's "Cambodian incursion."

The administration subsequently made us all turn in reports declaring what grades we WOULD HAVE given the students if we hadn't decided not to grade them. These comments were attached to their transcripts separately, since the Dean was determined not to get to the right of the faculty.

13 posted on 05/20/2004 1:57:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: diotima
21,000 pages....wow!

Good job Dio!

14 posted on 05/20/2004 2:00:21 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Yes, coffee is always, ALWAYS, accepted!


15 posted on 05/20/2004 2:01:10 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima

BUMP BUMP BTTT Yahoo, WS!


16 posted on 05/20/2004 2:02:12 PM PDT by Libertina (This Tagline contains adult content and has been relocated to the Smokey Back Room.)
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To: Dog
Thank IT! He is the braintrust behind WS.

I just bring donuts to the office.

17 posted on 05/20/2004 2:02:38 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima
Donuts?

What kind?

I like the ones with jimmies.

:-)

18 posted on 05/20/2004 2:07:20 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: diotima

Excellent :)


19 posted on 05/20/2004 2:09:43 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Mo1

21K pages?
21 THOUSAND pages?


20 posted on 05/20/2004 2:10:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (Decorate rooms and furniture with your sleeping friend's carcasses. -Gothic car sticker)
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To: calcowgirl

Ping :)


21 posted on 05/20/2004 2:11:11 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Darksheare

21,477 to be exact.......


22 posted on 05/20/2004 2:16:30 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima

Now that is horrible to contemplate wading through.
I don't think I'd get through even 1,000 of them if given one week, let alone several.


23 posted on 05/20/2004 2:19:15 PM PDT by Darksheare (Decorate rooms and furniture with your sleeping friend's carcasses. -Gothic car sticker)
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To: Darksheare

Yep .. time to put the reading glasses on .. I have a feeling there is LOADS of information in those files


24 posted on 05/20/2004 2:31:32 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Mo1

Wonder how many megabytes of info that would all be if converted into a text file..


25 posted on 05/20/2004 2:35:52 PM PDT by Darksheare (Decorate rooms and furniture with your sleeping friend's carcasses. -Gothic car sticker)
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To: diotima
Mmm... donuts.
26 posted on 05/20/2004 2:39:38 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima

FYI {link:Enc 3402 - 2.15 MB} is Not found and
{link:Enc 4229 - 0.77 MB} is not found. Is there
a section 12?


27 posted on 05/20/2004 2:39:39 PM PDT by SeraphimApprentice
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To: SpyGuy
Care to guess how much coverage this will get in the "lamestream" Leftist media?

Wanna bet?

28 posted on 05/20/2004 2:40:33 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima

Wow.


29 posted on 05/20/2004 2:45:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: diotima

Did they release this or did you get it secretly?

Either way, way to go.


30 posted on 05/20/2004 2:45:46 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: diotima

How long did it take to get all this uploaded to PDF....21,000 pages...yikes.

Hope you are getting paid for it...


31 posted on 05/20/2004 2:47:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeraphimApprentice
FYI {link:Enc 3402 - 2.15 MB} is Not found and {link:Enc 4229 - 0.77 MB} is not found. Is there a section 12?

Thanks. Those two files have "ENC" in the file names instead of "Enc" and that is now fixed.

The ways of the FBI are mysterious. For example, they split the files onto 3 700MB CDs as follows: CD1 - 553MB, CD2 - 205MB, CD3 - 123MB. Would it not have been possible to combine CDs 2 and 3, you ask? Mysterious indeed.

If there's a Section 12, it isn't included. Everything they sent is on the site.

32 posted on 05/20/2004 2:47:16 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: kristinn
A tip of the beanie to Kristinn and others for mentioning that these CDs were being made available.
33 posted on 05/20/2004 2:49:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima

Bump for later reference.


34 posted on 05/20/2004 2:50:06 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Who put the Tribbles in the Quadrotriticale?")
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To: Interesting Times

Great work!


35 posted on 05/20/2004 2:55:01 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: Mo1
Excerpt Section 66, page 76 of the pdf: Additionally, it was indicated that "Anti-Imperialist groups" consider the VVAW a potent organization of similar stature in the U.S. In April, 1973, the group changed their name to VVAW/WSO so that non-veterans could become members. Current VVAW/WSO national officers are Marxist-Leninist oriented and strive to educate their membership in Marxist-Leninist doctrine.

Yipes!

36 posted on 05/20/2004 2:55:33 PM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: rwfromkansas

We filed for it. It isn't secret, other people have the files. We just wanted as many people and researchers to have access to it so we put up on online.


37 posted on 05/20/2004 2:56:36 PM PDT by diotima (Juke Box Hero)
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To: diotima

Ah....wonderful FOIA.


38 posted on 05/20/2004 3:02:43 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: diotima

Many of the links between Section 035 and Section 075 appear to be broken. :(


39 posted on 05/20/2004 3:09:46 PM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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To: LayoutGuru2; Interesting Times

PING to LG2's post of broken linkys...


40 posted on 05/20/2004 3:12:14 PM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: diotima

41 posted on 05/20/2004 3:19:45 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: diotima

21,477 pages?? What a score! Keep up the good work, Dio :-)


42 posted on 05/20/2004 3:30:56 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: dd5339; Vic3O3

Good stuff!


43 posted on 05/20/2004 3:36:21 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 (Response times: My 12 gauge - 30 seconds / my .45 - 4 seconds/ Local police - ?)
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To: diotima

Thanks for your work!


44 posted on 05/20/2004 3:47:47 PM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
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To: diotima

Go FreeRepublic Network members! An incredible achievement!


45 posted on 05/20/2004 3:59:06 PM PDT by Rabid Dog (Join your FreeRepublic Chapter and make a difference!)
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To: diotima

The sad truth is that no matter how big a traitor Kerry is and no matter how ironclad the proof, not one vote will be swayed. The voters lined up behind Kerry will vote for him even if pictures of him bayoneting and barbequeing babies are found because it's not about him. It's about their hatred for GWB.


46 posted on 05/20/2004 4:04:04 PM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: LayoutGuru2
Many of the links between Section 035 and Section 075 appear to be broken. :(

Sorry... they changed naming conventions about four times. Try it now.

47 posted on 05/20/2004 4:34:23 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Chuckster
The sad truth is that no matter how big a traitor Kerry is and no matter how ironclad the proof, not one vote will be swayed.

That, my friend, is complete and utter nonsense.

48 posted on 05/20/2004 4:35:21 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: diotima; Mia T; backhoe; All

I went through all the pages on #23, picked at random. The information concerned the planned protests at the Dem and Republican conventions in Miami 1972.

It seems there was an informant close enough to the action, who gave the FBI quite a bit of info, right down to the pot shortage at the Flamingo Park campground. I sh*t you not!

Nowhere did I see John Kerry's name, but I sure did see half the info wiped out with Magic Markers. Okay, I guess I'll have to check further before I take a wild guess at who would stab his buddies in the back.


49 posted on 05/20/2004 5:35:10 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: Mo1
Many thanks for the ping.

No matter HOW bad the Clinton years were,people who didn't live through the late '60s-'early '70s as an adult Conservative,have NO idea just HOW horrific a time it was.Reading through at least some of this,just might help.

50 posted on 05/20/2004 5:57:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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