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Deliveryman: I Shot Man In Self-Defense(Fired from Pizza Hut for Saving his life from Thug!!)
http://www.theindychannel.com ^ | 05-18-2004

Posted on 05/21/2004 10:26:28 AM PDT by NJ Freeper

A Pizza Hut deliveryman who police say fatally shot a man on the city's east side Monday night says he acted in self-defense.

Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, says he had just delivered a pizza at the Oaks Apartments around 11 p.m. Monday when a man approached him with a gun.

Honeycutt (pictured, right), who was near his delivery van and had his own gun, fired 15 times at the man, later identified as Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis. Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

"The only thing I can do is protect myself, and if that means shooting somebody that intends to shoot you, so be it," Honeycutt told RTV6's Jack Rinehart Tuesday. "I'm sick of the crime and I'm sick of being victimized."

Honeycutt said that after the shooting, he picked up Brown's handgun and drove to a Pizza Hut, where sheriff's deputies took him into custody. Police questioned Honeycutt and then released him.

Pizza Hut, which has a policy forbidding deliverymen to carry weapons, fired Honeycutt soon after the shooting, Rinehart reported.

The county coroner's office Tuesday determined Brown died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Honeycutt said he used all the ammunition he had because Brown kept standing.

"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business.

The Marion County prosecutor's office will review the case to determine whether Honeycutt acted in self-defense, Rinehart reported.


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Freep Pizza Hut! This guy had no choice but to defend himself from certain death and he gets fired for it? Bulls**t!
1 posted on 05/21/2004 10:26:29 AM PDT by NJ Freeper
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To: d-back; Joe Brower; *bang_list

Ping.


2 posted on 05/21/2004 10:28:41 AM PDT by NJ Freeper
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To: NJ Freeper

Better to lose your job than your life. Sounds like he needs to use a larger caliber, though.


3 posted on 05/21/2004 10:30:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: NJ Freeper
I think he did us all a service by removing another scumbag from the gene pool.

Since pizza delivery is one of the most dangerous jobs, I don't blame him for packing heat.

4 posted on 05/21/2004 10:31:30 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty
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To: NJ Freeper
In the liberal world, this deliveryman, like soldiers in Iraq, should have no choice but to do his job and take the bullets from the innocent civilians trying to kill him.
5 posted on 05/21/2004 10:31:58 AM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: NJ Freeper
Low wage jobs cut both ways. One would think this man sees himself as an independant contractor in the pizza delivery gig.

I'm glad Pizza Hut(Pepsi Co.) publically announces they require their drivers to be unarmed. Now we know which ones will get robbed or murdered for six pizza coin, Pizza Hut employees.

6 posted on 05/21/2004 10:34:29 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: NJ Freeper
Firing him is the ONLY choice Pizza Hut has....

If Pizza Hut knowingly allows delivery people to pack heat, they are open to law suits. If you want to FREEP someone, FREEP a Dimocrat who stuck us with judges who make protecting one's own life risky.

If you want to lose weight, boycott Pizza Hut.....

7 posted on 05/21/2004 10:35:14 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: NJ Freeper

Most companies will fire you for packing or fighting back. They are afraid of liability.


8 posted on 05/21/2004 10:35:37 AM PDT by wingnutx (Are you a monthly donor? Why not? (the freeper formerly known as Britton J Wingnutx))
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To: NJ Freeper

I buy from Pizza hut all the freaking time. No more


9 posted on 05/21/2004 10:35:56 AM PDT by Crazieman
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To: Slings and Arrows

May I suggest a .40 S&W COR-BON 135 gr with a 96%+ "One Shot Stopping Power". That should do the trick so he doesn't have to waste all of those rounds.


10 posted on 05/21/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by fedupwithlibs (What does a Catholic do when he starts losing faith in the leaders of his church?)
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To: NJ Freeper
He should be fired. The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns. If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

I agree that the gun saved his life, but he should not be rewarded with special privledges afterward.
11 posted on 05/21/2004 10:37:46 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: dansangel

Ping....


12 posted on 05/21/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by .45MAN ("Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..")
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To: NJ Freeper
The county coroner's office Tuesday determined Brown died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Very perceptive there, Dr. Quincy.

13 posted on 05/21/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by Bob
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To: NJ Freeper
After a story like this they need to change their name to Pizza Hurt.

The only one's they are hurting are their profits at the expense of the delivery driver's safety. Their pizza wasn't that great anyway. Time to hit em where it hurts.

14 posted on 05/21/2004 10:39:58 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: fedupwithlibs

A fine choice. I favor a Charter Arms Bulldog loaded with Cor-Bon 165 gr. JHP's. To each his own.


15 posted on 05/21/2004 10:40:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Sounds like he needs to use a larger caliber, though."

Nope. He did just fine.

Emptied the clip & made sure the perp wasn't in any condition to whine to a criminal "court" about mistreatment and a civil "court" about compensation.

A well done, and a thank you to the dilivery man, and a screw you to Pizza Hut.

16 posted on 05/21/2004 10:40:50 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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To: NJ Freeper

Next time use a .45.
Probably got a lot of over penetration with the 9mm, too.


17 posted on 05/21/2004 10:43:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: LetsRok; NJ Freeper
Who's looking for "special privileges"? This guy had, and has, a God-given inalienable right to defend his life. He exercised it, and now Pizza Hut is firing him for it.

If that's not worth freeping, then nothing is. Until the right to keep and bear arms and right to self-defense routinely bring out howling harpies like us (the way the "right" to engage in homosexual sex does), those of us who support the Second Amendment and the RKBA will remain second-class citizens.

Quislings who side with Pizza Hut on this one are no friends of liberty.

19 posted on 05/21/2004 10:46:10 AM PDT by d-back
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To: LetsRok
He should be fired. The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns.

No, we need to force pizza Hut to change its stupid policy by making it plain that we would rather shop elsewhere.

If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

And wouldn't this be the best outcome for delivery employees everywhere?

20 posted on 05/21/2004 10:47:24 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Slings and Arrows
Oh-oh, 15 round magazine and he's not a cop?
Could be trouble......

(in IL he'd face life)
semi-joking

21 posted on 05/21/2004 10:48:27 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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To: NJ Freeper

Time to re-evalute that whimpy 9mm, I wouldn't get caught dead with it, pun intended.


22 posted on 05/21/2004 10:48:38 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: NJ Freeper
Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Good.

23 posted on 05/21/2004 10:49:41 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: NJ Freeper

Ok, ok..some POS died and the Pizza dude did a good job. BUT the article doesn't answer one all important question.

Did the Pizza's get delivered on time??


24 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:10 AM PDT by Gator113
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To: LetsRok

you said"He should be fired. The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns. If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit. " And the down side is?.....


25 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:28 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: d-back

I agree with you.

Way too many employers have these stupid policies, which are a result of court systems not holding miscreants responsible for their actions. The simple fact is, a company's policy is easily ignored and they can't search your person(bags can be checked) so no one is really protected. The person who means harm will ignore the policy AND ignore the law on murder or robbery. Meanwhile the rest of us will be disarmed in the face of such an act or will be fired when we are a FRIGGING HERO!

The use of private regulations is the way the Second Amendment will be made useless. Combine it with the increased technology and soon everywhere you go will be scanning you for weapons and our rights will be lost forever.


26 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!!)
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To: fedupwithlibs
May I suggest a .40 S&W COR-BON 135 gr with a 96%+ "One Shot Stopping Power".

That's what I load up my S&W "Shorty .40" with. And if not, I just go for head shots.

27 posted on 05/21/2004 10:52:29 AM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: NJ Freeper
We had a similar thing happen here a few years ago at Papa John’s. A friend of mine was held up and he shot the punk. Didn’t kill him, but grazed the side of his head. (They wouldn’t have tried it if they had seen him outside of the car. He’s about 6’10”, 400# at the time.) Papa John’s fired him. They said it was their policy for the drivers to not carry weapons. Several people, including myself wrote letters stating that if he was not rehired, they would never eat there again. I also worked there at one point, and stated that at no time was I made aware of their anti-self-defense-who-cares-about-our-drivers-no-weapons policy. He was rehired due to the publicity of the outcry.

He was then refired about a month later after the ruckus died down.

28 posted on 05/21/2004 10:52:54 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Slings and Arrows
A fine choice. I favor a Charter Arms Bulldog loaded with Cor-Bon 165 gr. JHP's.

Very nice. You can't go wrong with either.

29 posted on 05/21/2004 10:54:30 AM PDT by fedupwithlibs ("The most effective ammo is that which you have available at the proper time and are able to place")
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To: NJ Freeper

Previous thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1139902/posts


30 posted on 05/21/2004 10:57:23 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: NJ Freeper

One recent evening, as I arrived at a competing pizza chain's carryout-only location, one of the delivery guys was just coming back from a run.

He spotted the pro-2nd Amendment vanity tag on my car and called out,

"Hey, man! I really like your tag!

And proceeded to briefly raise his shirt to reveal the semi he was carrying in an inside-the-waistband holster.

I thanked him, grinned and patted the small bulge on my hip twice as I turned and walked into the store.


31 posted on 05/21/2004 10:59:40 AM PDT by George Smiley (Is the RKBA still a right if you have to get the government's permission before you can exercise it?)
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To: NJ Freeper
Or you could move to Texas, where we can not only shoot bad guys, but also chase them down to do it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1135809/posts

32 posted on 05/21/2004 11:00:01 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: NJ Freeper
"Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business"

Was his handgun confiscated? Did he not like his handgun’s performance? Did I miss something in the article?
33 posted on 05/21/2004 11:01:13 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Here is a more complete story from Indianapolis Star)
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To: blackdog

PH is not part of Pepsi anymore, but the idea is correct. Back in 1994, when I first started working with Frito-Lay (still a part of Pepsi), one of the drivers who took me on my initial training was killed in a robbery. He was unarmed. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


34 posted on 05/21/2004 11:01:54 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: NJ Freeper
I advise waiting for the whole story before determining it was self-defense. The media rarely ever gets the story straight. If you wish to FReep Pizza Hut, do it for their policy of forbidding their employees from carrying weapons. I have prosecuted several robberies that targeted pizza delivery persons. I think a person would be crazy to do that job unarmed (or be a clerk at a convenience store).
35 posted on 05/21/2004 11:02:08 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: d-back

I have a carry permit. If my employer new that I was armed I would expect to get fired if I brought by weapon into the office. He knew the rules BEFORE ACCEPTING EMPLOYMENT WITH PIZZA HUT. He was fired for breaking the company policy.


36 posted on 05/21/2004 11:02:19 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: d-back
This guy had, and has, a God-given inalienable right to defend his life.

And he exercised it. Good for him. He does not, however, have a God-given inalienable right to work for Pizza Hut.

37 posted on 05/21/2004 11:05:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: eastforker

Agreed. I upgraded from a Browning hi-power some years ago to the old reliable 1911 .45 ACP with Hornady Custom 200Gr JHP XTP


38 posted on 05/21/2004 11:05:30 AM PDT by Taquito
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To: blackdog

Pizza Hut hasn't been part of PepsiCo since 1997.


39 posted on 05/21/2004 11:06:50 AM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Onelifetogive
"If Pizza Hut knowingly allows delivery people to pack heat, they are open to law suits."

Very true. They would also be vulnerable if they were willfully blind about it. However, the counter to that would be to train them properly if they chose to carry and to make sure they always had concealed carry permits. If potential robbers knew some were armed and trained in self defense, all would get some degree of protection. Call them "Pizza Marshals."
40 posted on 05/21/2004 11:07:17 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: d-back
As others have said, Pizza Hit has little choice in today's legal climate. They are going to get sued for the shooting. They will probably pay the perp's survivors some danegeld to settle it too, since it will be cheaper than fighting it. I don't blame the company for that, since they are required to look out for the shareholders interests in today's legal climate.

I don't believe that the delivery guy will be hired by another delivery company. Its just too much risk, unless its a mom & pop operation. Hopefully some supportive citizen will give him a better job so he doesn't have to deliver pizza.

Also noted that at least one article said he needed to buy another gun. I assume the police confiscated his. Not sure what the policy is there, but when I was in the LA area, LAPD never returned a weapon, regards of source. Now there is a good reason to hold a bake sale.
41 posted on 05/21/2004 11:09:16 AM PDT by Starwolf
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To: NJ Freeper

Don't like the rules? Don't work for Pizza Hut!


42 posted on 05/21/2004 11:09:41 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: Jim in Mich
.40 S & W??!! For wimps

Not so Jim. I use the S&W .40 for stopping power in self defense. The last statistics I saw had the .40 S&W loaded with COR-BON 135 GR with 97% - 98% "One Shot Stopping Power." Your .45 Auto is a fine piece and with a 230 GR Hydra-Shok or a 230 GR Gold Saber will give you a 93% to 94% "One Shot Stopping Power".

The added bonus with the .40 is that my wife and kids can easlily handle this gun also.

43 posted on 05/21/2004 11:10:23 AM PDT by fedupwithlibs ("The most effective ammo is that which you have available at the proper time and are able to place")
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To: eastforker
Time to re-evalute that whimpy 9mm, I wouldn't get caught dead with it, pun intended.

The 9mm is a good gun with the right ammo. You need to load it with COR-BON 115-GR JHP+P for maximum "One Shot Stopping Power" (91%).

44 posted on 05/21/2004 11:13:37 AM PDT by fedupwithlibs ("The most effective ammo is that which you have available at the proper time and are able to place")
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To: fedupwithlibs

I'll stick with my .44 mag, when you care to send the very best.


45 posted on 05/21/2004 11:18:03 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: fedupwithlibs

One-shot stopping power:

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/calloadgoshin.htm


46 posted on 05/21/2004 11:26:08 AM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: LetsRok
I agree that the gun saved his life, but he should not be rewarded with special privileges afterward.

The only special privilege he had afterward is to still be alive. Just what special privileges are you talking about?

47 posted on 05/21/2004 11:27:27 AM PDT by AlwaysFree
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To: Crazieman

Quite a few years ago a deliveryman from Dominos was fired for using a handgun to protect himself. I have never bought anything from them since then and I shall now add Pizza Hut to the no-buy-from list.


48 posted on 05/21/2004 11:28:01 AM PDT by Rhodesian Ridgeback
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To: Jim in Mich

.40 S & W??!! For wimps!

A real he-man's (or she-woman's, in today's society) round is the classic .45 ACP. 230 grains of jacketed hollowpoints, such as Federal Hydra-Shoks do just fine.



With the lethality of the 40 being about 90% of the 45, but a magazine carrying 20%+ more rounds, a mag full of 40 is more lethal than a mag full of 45.

Unless we are talking about single shot defense pistols. ;-)


50 posted on 05/21/2004 11:39:59 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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