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Deliveryman: I Shot Man In Self-Defense(Fired from Pizza Hut for Saving his life from Thug!!)
http://www.theindychannel.com ^ | 05-18-2004

Posted on 05/21/2004 10:26:28 AM PDT by NJ Freeper

A Pizza Hut deliveryman who police say fatally shot a man on the city's east side Monday night says he acted in self-defense.

Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, says he had just delivered a pizza at the Oaks Apartments around 11 p.m. Monday when a man approached him with a gun.

Honeycutt (pictured, right), who was near his delivery van and had his own gun, fired 15 times at the man, later identified as Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis. Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

"The only thing I can do is protect myself, and if that means shooting somebody that intends to shoot you, so be it," Honeycutt told RTV6's Jack Rinehart Tuesday. "I'm sick of the crime and I'm sick of being victimized."

Honeycutt said that after the shooting, he picked up Brown's handgun and drove to a Pizza Hut, where sheriff's deputies took him into custody. Police questioned Honeycutt and then released him.

Pizza Hut, which has a policy forbidding deliverymen to carry weapons, fired Honeycutt soon after the shooting, Rinehart reported.

The county coroner's office Tuesday determined Brown died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Honeycutt said he used all the ammunition he had because Brown kept standing.

"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun and go back to work with a different pizza business.

The Marion County prosecutor's office will review the case to determine whether Honeycutt acted in self-defense, Rinehart reported.


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To: LetsRok

"If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit."

The company has no say about any person registering for a carry permit.

The company has no say about any person having/maintaining a carry permit.

The company should not have the ability to infringe on a constitutional right of the employee.

We need to stop allowing arbitrary institutions to usurp our rights. If the employer does not want you using force to protect their property or money, that is their choice.

When the employer believes that they can tell you not to defend yourself to protect your LIFE, that is a problem.


51 posted on 05/21/2004 11:42:03 AM PDT by pop-aye (For every journey, there is a higher path. (67/4))
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To: NJ Freeper

Now that's what I call a pizza man with an attitude. Whatever you make sure to tip him well or else...


52 posted on 05/21/2004 11:45:04 AM PDT by baltoga
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To: antiblazer
You have all missed the winner. 44 Special from S/W loaded with a 250 grain Simi-Wadcutter. After six shots is the perp is still standing you can run up the barrel and hide.
53 posted on 05/21/2004 11:46:21 AM PDT by BooBoo1000
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To: NJ Freeper
Deliveryman: I Shot Man In Self-Defense

If the pizza delivery guy had not been carrying a gun, we might be reading this headline instead:

Pizza delivery person murdered - Robbery is probable motive

54 posted on 05/21/2004 11:47:04 AM PDT by usadave
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To: LetsRok
The company policy says that employees are not allowed to carry guns. If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

What if the company policy said "no blacks" or "no women" or "no senior citizens".

Screw "company policy".

55 posted on 05/21/2004 11:47:42 AM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Skywalk
The use of private regulations is the way the Second Amendment will be made useless. Combine it with the increased technology and soon everywhere you go will be scanning you for weapons and our rights will be lost forever.

Yep. Companies can already run credit reports on you. How difficult would it be for them to determine if you have a CCW 'permit' or not? And then how difficult would it be for them to simply announce a "policy" whereby if you wanted to work there, you had to surrender your permit?

Tyranny is still tyranny, independent of who the "boss man" is. A tyranny ran by multinational corporations (which control the gov't) is no different than a tyranny ran by the gov't (which controls the corporations).

And before you folks start spouting off about "Free enterprise", it simply doesn't exist in this country except perhaps on very small and localized levels.

The gov't and large corporations have become incestously intertwined where one does the bidding of the other, and vice versa. Neither has any loyalty to the Constitution, America, or their fellow citizens.

56 posted on 05/21/2004 11:53:28 AM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: fedupwithlibs
May I suggest a .40 S&W COR-BON 135 gr with a 96%+ "One Shot Stopping Power".

Roughly the same as either a Federal 9mm 135 or a Remington 147 9mm, both of which probably have a little more penetration than the .40. The forty is fine if you like it; I prefer a 9.

If I was deliverying still, I'd carry the Kel-Tec .32 I carry now. Wasting rounds, as you say, is often more a sign of bad shooting rather than underperformance of the chosen round. And we don't know which handgun, though I'm guessing by the 15 rounds fired, it was a Glock. Cheaper hi-caps available, and Sigs are probably too heavy for pizza carry.

57 posted on 05/21/2004 11:54:00 AM PDT by 1L
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To: NJ Freeper
All the pizza delivery companies have the same policy because of insurance & liability issues. Customer relations also plays a part because many customers would be extremely unhappy if they knew pizza guy at their door was packing. It's a risky business, but the driver is supposed to give up all his cash to any thug who wants it.
58 posted on 05/21/2004 11:59:58 AM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: fedupwithlibs
May I suggest a .40 S&W COR-BON 135 gr with a 96%+ "One Shot Stopping Power". That should do the trick so he doesn't have to waste all of those rounds.

Better yet, he should get some more range time, shot placement trumps caliber.

59 posted on 05/21/2004 12:00:05 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: antiblazer
"If he's acting in self-defense, he might shoot 1 or 2 bullets and run away. But he just stands there and fires off 15 rounds one after another. WTF?? Sounds like another trigger-happy NRA fanatic"

Sounds like, from reading just this article. But we weren't there in his shoes.

It's easy for us to be armchair quarterbacks.

Be careful not to rush to judgement.

60 posted on 05/21/2004 12:00:37 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: LetsRok

I am with you. No guns was a condition of his employment. He should be satisfied that he wasn't caught with the gun before and was able to use it when he needed it.


61 posted on 05/21/2004 12:05:06 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: antiblazer
Sounds like another trigger-happy NRA fanatic

Please tell us more about trigger-happy NRA fanatics!

I'm a NRA member and I know hundreds more, I wouldn't call any of us trigger happy. We may be a bit fanatical about preserving our 2nd Ammendment rights, but I wouldn't put us on a par with the screaching harpys of NARAL, or the Million Moms for that matter.

And sensing you are a Dem troll, that's what should really scare you, there are millions of us out there every day, armed to the teeth and we look just like your Dad, your Brother, your Sister and your Mom.

We don't go through life dressed in Camo, we're generally not the ones with the bumper sticker that says, "Keep honking, I'm reloading".

Any time, any place, a theater, a park bench, in church, you could be sitting next to an armed American. (and FWIW, you will never be safer.)

62 posted on 05/21/2004 12:06:36 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: BooBoo1000
After six shots is the perp is still standing you can run up the barrel and hide.

Better yet, throw the brass at him, it'll knock him cold.

63 posted on 05/21/2004 12:07:49 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Mulder

I was told at the border(without them seeing my CCW permit) "you know you aren't allowed to bring in any handguns with you into Canada, right sir?"

Why would they ask that unless they had a reason to?


64 posted on 05/21/2004 12:09:47 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!!)
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To: 1L
Roughly the same as either a Federal 9mm 135 or a Remington 147 9mm, both of which probably have a little more penetration than the .40. The forty is fine if you like it; I prefer a 9.

In self defense stopping power is more important than penetration. That is why I shoot the .40 with the 135 GR COR-BON bullet. The one shot stopping power is 96% + and the bullet will stay in the perps chest. I don't want the bullet exiting the perp hitting an innocent bystander.

65 posted on 05/21/2004 12:10:50 PM PDT by fedupwithlibs
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To: NJ Freeper

bang...

...bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang

66 posted on 05/21/2004 12:11:48 PM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: ChuckShick

Thanks, good data.


67 posted on 05/21/2004 12:12:42 PM PDT by Iberian
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To: antiblazer

If adrenaline is rushing, you will not notice the passage of time like you do in a calm state. You could empty the magazine before you knew it.

And why should any FREE man RUN from his attacker when he has the advantage? Why the F would you turn your back on such a person? Are you nuts?

YOu shoot to stop the confrontation, if the other dude ran away, fine. But if he stood there, you shoot until he's stopped(either down or running the other way.)


68 posted on 05/21/2004 12:12:51 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!!)
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To: NJ Freeper
YUM! Brands, Inc. owns Pizza Hut along with a number of other brand names.

David Novak
Chairman, CEO, YUM! Brands, Inc.

Yum! Brands, Inc.
1441 Gardiner Lane
Louisville, KY 40213
502/874-8300
www.yum.com

69 posted on 05/21/2004 12:13:14 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: antiblazer

70 posted on 05/21/2004 12:16:02 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Skywalk
You shoot to stop the confrontation, if the other dude ran away, fine. But if he stood there, you shoot until he's stopped(either down or running the other way.)

The only disagreement I have is that you should leave a few rounds for his buddy (in case he is not alone). That is what I was taught in my CFP class. But I wasn't there standing in front of someone pointing a gun at me so who am I to judge his actions?

71 posted on 05/21/2004 12:24:31 PM PDT by fedupwithlibs
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To: LetsRok
If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

As far as I know, employees can still register for a CCW. They just can't pack on company time. What makes you think PepsiCo forbids them to carry at all?
72 posted on 05/21/2004 12:27:06 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Onelifetogive

You are absolutely correct. If PH hires and allows people to carry, they would have to train them in firearms, in most states procur an armed courier/guard/sherriffs special duty license and THEN, no insurance company would cover them for liability, worker's comp or probably casualty ins.


73 posted on 05/21/2004 12:27:53 PM PDT by Safetgiver (A headless horseman for the new millenium!!)
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To: Mulder
What if the company policy said "no blacks" or "no women" or "no senior citizens".

Yeah yeah yeah, and what if a frog had wings? He wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped. Try to keep it in the realm of the plausible.
74 posted on 05/21/2004 12:30:26 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Skywalk
I was told at the border(without them seeing my CCW permit) "you know you aren't allowed to bring in any handguns with you into Canada, right sir?"

Is it possible they say that to every border-crosser? I have trouble believing you were singled out.
75 posted on 05/21/2004 12:31:35 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: antiblazer

I believe you're on the wrong website. The "Website That Won't Be Named" is thataway.


76 posted on 05/21/2004 12:32:50 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Xenalyte
It's YUM!, not PepsiCo
78 posted on 05/21/2004 12:41:58 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
I have been told . . . I despise Pepsi so much that I tend to ignore its corporate doings.

For the record, I would like FReepers to know that the only places in Las Vegas to get an actual Diet Coke, untainted by any hint of Pepsi products, are strip joints.
79 posted on 05/21/2004 12:48:50 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Xenalyte

I clicked your screen name and scrolled through your home page. It was hilarious! Thanks!


80 posted on 05/21/2004 12:49:08 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Xenalyte
Yeah yeah yeah, and what if a frog had wings? He wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped. Try to keep it in the realm of the plausible.

Every example I posted was widespread in "corporate America" until a few years ago. And it still goes on, although less blatant.

My point was simply that corporate "rights" don't trump over certain individual Rights, such as the Right to self defense.

81 posted on 05/21/2004 12:50:31 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Skywalk
I was told at the border(without them seeing my CCW permit) "you know you aren't allowed to bring in any handguns with you into Canada, right sir?"

I've seen similar sentiments posted on some of the gun forums.

It's very likely they have this info on you (and all of us), especially with the ongoing centralization of databases.

82 posted on 05/21/2004 12:51:41 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

No way - really? You are so welcome! I love making people laugh. (Believe you me, you'd laugh even harder if you saw a picture of me today in that getup.)


83 posted on 05/21/2004 1:00:12 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Mulder

A few years ago? You mean, 40 or so?


84 posted on 05/21/2004 1:00:32 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I shall defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Xenalyte

Way!


85 posted on 05/21/2004 1:04:23 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Little Ray

What is not mentioned in the article is the coroners report that Brown was so high on meth or crack that he would not have reacted to the initial half dozen gunshot wounds.


86 posted on 05/21/2004 1:37:04 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Lady, I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element")
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To: Xenalyte

I don't think so.

She asked AFTER she had my ID in her possession. She didn't direct the question at my girlfriend at the time who was driving the car.


87 posted on 05/21/2004 1:45:07 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!!)
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To: fedupwithlibs
You didn't read my post. The stopping power is about the same. I also said the reason he shot 15 times wasn't because his load (likely a 9mm) was underpowered, but because he wasn't a very good shot. Shot placement is much more important than stopping power, since your 96 percent assumes direct placement. I can hit anyone with a .40 in the leg, and it won't stop him. Three shots with a 9 -- two to the chest, and one to the head, will stop just about anyone.

As far as exiting, the penatration figures don't mean exiting is automatic. I'm not saying the .40 is a bad load. Quite the contrary. But it isn't necessary as a well loaded nine will do the job just fine.

88 posted on 05/21/2004 1:49:36 PM PDT by 1L
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To: antiblazer

So, would you put .40SW "in between" 9mm and .45 ACP in terms of stopping power? That's my impression, also in terms of concealability.


89 posted on 05/21/2004 2:03:12 PM PDT by rudy45
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To: 1L
You didn't read my post. The stopping power is about the same.

Three shots with a 9 -- two to the chest, and one to the head, will stop just about anyone.

As far as all the statistics I could find on "One Shot Stopping Power", the .40 S&W COR-BON 135-GR is rated the highest (96% to 98%)with a .357 Mag Fed 125-GR JHP leading the way in revolvers. I'm not knocking the 9mm but a smaller grain bullet is recommended in self defense. My information shows a COR-BON 115-GR JHP+P with the best "One Shot Stopping Power" (91%).

I think we both agree that stitching up the seams (mid-section, 2 in the chest, and one in the head) will take care of business with either gun.

90 posted on 05/21/2004 2:14:41 PM PDT by fedupwithlibs
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To: rudy45

For your information from an earlier post
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/calloadgoshin.htm


91 posted on 05/21/2004 2:21:27 PM PDT by fedupwithlibs
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To: Safetgiver

Who covers security companies?


92 posted on 05/21/2004 4:05:55 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: NJ Freeper

Pizza Hut has a policy...No guns for employees! Therefore this employee was not following company policy. He should have been fired.


93 posted on 05/21/2004 9:05:47 PM PDT by i_have_a_voice
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I called the main number just now (because my cell plan gives me free weekend minutes). The number is

502-874-8300

During off hours, you will get the recorded message. When you do, press *8 then *2 to dial by name. Mr. Novak, the CEO, is unreachable. However, their "chief people officer"
Anne Byerlein IS reachable. I just left her a message.


94 posted on 05/22/2004 10:38:58 AM PDT by rudy45
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To: NJ Freeper
Honeycutt, who has a valid license to carry a firearm, said he planned to buy another handgun

Why, won't the police return his? If there was any justice (but TANJ!) He'd be awarded the robber's gun for the public service of cleaning up the gene pool.

95 posted on 05/22/2004 11:41:46 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: LetsRok
If he didn't get fired the company would have to allow all employees the ability to register for a carry permit.

Sounds like "Good Thing" to me.

96 posted on 05/22/2004 11:42:52 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Onelifetogive
If Pizza Hut knowingly allows delivery people to pack heat, they are open to law suits.

They are open to them anyway, from the survivors of deliverymen (and women!) killed because they were unarmed. It's already happened many times. If they would allow carry only by individuals licensed by the state they'd probably be able to shift any liability to the state. They'd then only have a problem in those few states who obey the federal and their own state's Constitutions and do not infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms.

97 posted on 05/22/2004 11:46:08 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: NJ Freeper
"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

Time to get a .45

98 posted on 05/22/2004 11:46:51 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Onelifetogive
If Pizza Hut knowingly allows delivery people to pack heat, they are open to law suits.

In other words, they don't give a sh*t about the lives of their employees, and are more concerned about the bottom line.

99 posted on 05/22/2004 11:49:00 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Crazieman
I buy from Pizza hut all the freaking time. No more

I agree. There are other places to buy pizza and that's what we plan to do.

100 posted on 05/22/2004 11:50:20 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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