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To: txradioguy
Your agruement...IMHO...would be like saying that Hitler houldn't be blamed for the Holocoust because he never personally killed a Jew at a Death Camp.

I said no such thing. Hitler was giving orders to carry out mass murder. Giving orders falls squarely into the category of carrying something out.

And if I remember correctly...even Karl Marx got his hands dirty in the Bolschlevik Revolution in 1917.

Karl Marx never carried out a genocide, he never ordered one, he never even suggested one. He just left things real vague about how we were supposed to get from our current state to the glorious socialist wonderland. Marx died in 1883, so you must be confusing him with Trotsky or something.

There is no comparison between what Marx advocated/did and what Hitler advocated/did.

And this gets back away from the point: no matter what Karl Marx did, "Communism" never did anything. If Communism killed millions of people, put Communism in jail!

36 posted on 05/24/2004 4:45:52 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2; Darksheare; A Jovial Cad; writer33

Whatever. Talk in circles all you want to. Communism as a government and the people who executed that form of government have untold millions of deaths on their hands and nothing but a long list of failures at their attempt at that style of government.

"I said no such thing. Hitler was giving orders to carry out mass murder. Giving orders falls squarely into the category of carrying something out.

And Stalin gave out orders for the mass murder of millions in Siberia alone. No telling how many other Russians died because of his ORDERS!

You're right I mixed up Marx with Lenin. I'll concede THAT point only.

And to get back to my comparison between the two. The National Socialist Party (you might know them as the Nazi Party) and Socialist Russia (a.k.a. Communist Russia) as a system never killed anyone. The people who subscribed to and trumpeted those systems of government did. Ergo...Socialism AND Nazi-ism BOTH have the blood of millions on their hands.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 6:47:57 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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To: xm177e2; txradioguy

"And this gets back away from the point: no matter what Karl Marx did, "Communism" never did anything. If Communism killed millions of people, put Communism in jail!"

We did put Communism in jail. Ronald Reagan broke the back of the Soviet Union, the Communist STATE RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING THOUSAND OF PEOPLE BEHIND THE IDEA OF COMMUNISM. I don't know what it takes to understand that ideas are as dangerous as the people that believe them.

Why do you think that Jesus Christ was crucified? It certainly wasn't because he was an aggressive threat to the Romans or Jews? In fact, he was a Jew, but the ideas, Christianity, threatened their way of life at the time.

And since it's impossible to put an idea in jail, one must cut the head of the snake off, so to speak. Meaning we must attack Terrorism aggressively as President Reagan handled Communism. We must never relent or else the IDEA will find its way into more terrorists heads and harm more innocent civilians.

Now if you're willing to take the chance on whether you get on the next plane that'll arrive at its destination, because you don't inherently think ideas are dangerous, then vote for John Kerry for President in 2004 and we'll see if you're wrong or right.


49 posted on 05/24/2004 7:55:58 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: xm177e2
Karl Marx never carried out a genocide, never gave orders for one, nor even suggested one...Das Kapital "the end justifies the means", what do you believe he was saying? I hold Marx to be guilty of all the human lives taken by his followers, who took the words literally, even as he himself intended. He is as guilty as a mob "Don" is when "suggesting" that some problematic person "disappear"...

the infowarrior

75 posted on 05/29/2004 12:07:47 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: xm177e2
Karl Marx never carried out a genocide, never gave orders for one, nor even suggested one...

Not entirely true. When Marx stated in Das Kapital "the end justifies the means", what do you believe he was saying? I hold Marx to be guilty of all the human lives taken by his followers, who took the words literally, even as he himself intended. He is as guilty as a mob "Don" is when "suggesting" that some problematic person "disappear"...

the infowarrior

76 posted on 05/29/2004 12:12:39 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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