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ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Gestapo Alert!)
PRNewswire via Yahoo ^ | May 21, 2004

Posted on 05/22/2004 11:31:33 PM PDT by SteveH

ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Gestapo Alert!)

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040521/clf044_1.html

May 21, 2004

ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation

Friday May 21, 5:17 pm ET

RENO, Nev., May 21 /PRNewswire/ -- John A. Torres, Special Agent In Charge of the San Francisco Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), announced today that ATF agents in California, Nevada, Idaho, Utah and Washington State participated in the arrests of 14 people after a federal grand jury returned indictments charging them with federal firearms violations. All of the defendants were charged with dealing firearms without a license, illegal sales of firearms, possession of unregistered firearms, and possession of firearms by prohibited persons. One of those arrested, Laquan J. Abdulrahim of East Palo Alto, Calif., was also charged with possession of body armor by a violent felon, the first time a defendant in Nevada has been charged with this federal violation. This charge alone carries a maximum penalty of three years in federal prison.

Dubbed "Operation Over The Line," the year-long investigation into the illegal purchasing and trafficking of firearms ultimately led agents to individuals in three other states. During the course of the investigation, more than 400 firearms were seized with dozens more to be retrieved in the near future. ATF undercover agents purchased approximately 30-40 firearms from various individuals, including some that were illegal. The agents purchased firearms from federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) as well as unlicensed dealers.

"Although some of these transactions took place at various gunshows in Nevada, a minority group of people chose to use gunshows as a conduit to conduct their illegal activities," Torres said. "The gun shows were not the target of our investigation."

In addition to the arrest warrants, agents served a federal search warrant at the residence and business of Larry B. Reimer, of Pahrump, Nev. Reimer was arrested pursuant to the grand jury indictments. Reimer, a licensed firearms dealer, was charged with the illegal transfer of a semiautomatic weapon and the illegal sale of a firearm. These charges carry a maximum penalty of five years each in federal prison.

Among the items recovered at another search warrant location in Nevada were a number of firearms, including machine guns, as well as explosive materials.

Torres praised the Reno Police Department, Washoe County Sheriff's Department, the Nevada Highway Patrol, California Highway Patrol, the West Sacramento Police Department and the California Department of Justice for assisting ATF in this investigation.

"ATF will continue to reduce illicit firearms trafficking by investigating individuals who provide firearms to prohibited persons, who deal without a license, and who sell firearms illegally. Working with our state and local partners toward this endeavor will keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," Torres said.

More information on ATF is available at www.atf.gov .

Contacts: Nina S. Delgadillo, PIO, ATF Pager: 888-533-8597 Tom Cannon, Resident Agent In Charge Office Phone: 775-784-5251

Source: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; gestapo; gungrabbers; secondamendment
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To: SteveH

Some career choices are better than others.


101 posted on 09/08/2004 11:48:04 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: mrexitement

"Please don't compare US law enforcement agencies to the murderous Gestapo who rounded up innocents for mass murder as a matter of policy."

I agree.


102 posted on 09/08/2004 11:50:27 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: jnarcus

AMEN


103 posted on 09/28/2004 5:13:14 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: El Gato

What you may not realize is that some states can't keep murders or rapists in prison, b/c the system is so messed up that they keep getting off and going back on the streets and committing crimes, therefore, the fed gov't steps in and charges that same three time convicted felon (violent/drug related convictions)with possession of a firearm by a felon and he is facing 15 years minimum. So it really does make a difference.


104 posted on 09/28/2004 5:18:25 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: wardaddy

Yeah let's see your horror when that semi-auto is illegally transferred to a felon that kills or rapes one of your relatives!


105 posted on 09/28/2004 5:20:11 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: Reactionary

You have no clue what you are talking about. Most of ATF's investigations focus on violent criminals, NOT law abiding citizens and innocent gun dealers. You need to get a CLUE!!!


106 posted on 09/28/2004 5:23:11 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: looscnnn

Too bad. Are we suppossed to feel bad for them b/c they can't have a gun?


107 posted on 09/28/2004 5:29:12 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: looscnnn

Do you know how difficult it would be to make the law subjective for every felon's situation. "Well this one's felony wasn't that violent and this one hasn't had a felony in 5 years." It would never work. You abuse it you lose it.


108 posted on 09/28/2004 5:31:44 PM PDT by haveaclue
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To: haveaclue; Travis McGee

Save the histrionics for wherever you came from bootlicker.

Your stay here will be short....thankfully.


109 posted on 09/28/2004 7:52:18 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
The feds will spend any amount of time and money to land on "illegal weapons transfers" with both jack-boots. Never mind that pesky 2nd Amendment....

Meanwhile, another ten thousand criminal invaders just strolled right past them, unmolested.


110 posted on 09/28/2004 9:06:15 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: pt17
Gestapo is a bit over the top, don't you think?

Hmmm....let me think about it....


111 posted on 09/28/2004 9:09:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Hmmm....let me think about it....

Nice pic but "Kleider machen Leute" doesn't cut it. Referencing die Geheime Staatspolizei is comparable to Kerry attaching a "baby killers" label to our vets.

112 posted on 09/29/2004 12:54:32 AM PDT by pt17
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To: haveaclue

I will answer both of your questions, with this one. We should not feel bad, but mad. If your wife has a miscarriage and then is commited due to depression, should she lose the God given, Constitutionally affirmed right to own/use a firearm after she has been helped out? In such a case, you would also have to get rid of your guns, due to the fact that she would be near the guns.

How about those that get charged with something like a "high court misdemeanor", that is actually a felony? They are non violent crimes like attempted theft from a building, etc.

The laws could be written that if there was no gun involved and there was no violence, you keep your rights. Now that was not that hard was it? Also, if they want to say that illegals that have been here for x number of years without incident should get citizenship, then the same should go for felons & those that had been commited.

You seem to be of the mindset that it does not affect me, so it is ok. That is same mindset that some have about "assault weapons", they aren't needed for hunting or I don't own them so it is ok. There are those that say that everyone should have all rights, even felons and the formerly commited, unless they are currently in jail/prison/asylum/probation/parole. I lean more towards all but those that have commited crimes with guns or were violent and those that are mentally a danger to the public (in which case they have no business being out of the hospital).


113 posted on 09/29/2004 6:26:39 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: haveaclue

AMEN? What no tirade that all felons should not have body armor?


114 posted on 09/29/2004 6:31:01 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: haveaclue
You drag up this old thread and start running you mouth?

What is your problem, newbie? You better learn some manners or you won't last long here.

115 posted on 09/29/2004 6:33:02 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: haveaclue

Really, how would you know that? So the ATF investigates criminals that are violent, even if they don't use a Firearm? Seems you have not looked at the number of abuses that the ATF had done, you should check out http://www.atfabuse.com/ for the facts.


116 posted on 09/29/2004 6:38:25 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn; Travis McGee; Squantos

or Congress could simply fund the ATF review....it worked fine for 26 years and is still in place.

or we could abolish the 68 GCA...my personal favorite


or we could allow personal judicial waiver from sitting Federal judges as we did until about a year ago.

many southern and mountain states already grant waivers as a matter of course but the Federal Statutes top that.

or maybe like the bootlickers would like....we can continue down this merry road where perhaps one in seven adult males are technically disenfranchised over gunrights and we can ratchet it up further....next, it will be losing gun rights over tax penalties, unpaid parking tickets, etc......don't laugh....there are already a number of misdemeanors on the books that do just that.

why outlaw guns when you can slowly outlaw gunowners?....then only hall monitor bootlickers like some newbies around here can have guns....to fire off at their Waco Appreciation Day gatherings.


117 posted on 09/29/2004 7:17:08 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: All

Geez, ya'll sound like Libertarians. You complain the law is being enforced. CHANGE THE LAW!


118 posted on 09/29/2004 7:21:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SteveH
The most current published data on Weapon Related Violent Crime from the Bureau of Justice Statistics:

Not sure if a weapon used = 6%
Total non-firearm = 17% (knife, bottle, 2x4, etc)
TOTAL FIREARM = 9% (from Saturday Night Special to Atomic Cannon)
No Weapon used = 68%

With the success of ATF in this roundup, I wonder why the other legions of law enforcement (local police, county police, state police, sheriff's agents, transit politce, marine police, U.S. Marshalls, FBI, for example) have not reduced the 68% category?
119 posted on 09/29/2004 7:31:59 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: TERMINATTOR; Cultural Jihad
CJ is the senior troll around here (trolling since '98), and probably holds the record for having the most conservatives banned. Don't fall into his troll trap!

I've noticed that those who discuss other posters behind their back without pinging them are invariably cowards and do not hold the courage of their convictions.

120 posted on 09/29/2004 7:37:54 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: pt17

I would not slime our vets by comparing them to the "heroes" of Waco and Ruby Ridge etc.


121 posted on 09/29/2004 7:38:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: wardaddy

Yep, anything that will get you 1 year of time behind bars (even if you don't spend 1 minute there) will take them away. All they need to do is extend the time behind bars to 1 yr + on anything and your out of luck son. But then some don't care because "it doesn't affect me".

I agree with getting rid of GCA68 & funding the ATF review.


122 posted on 09/29/2004 7:40:47 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: AppyPappy

In order to get support to change the law, you need to create the needed outrage. If you don't complain and don't have enough people complaining, there will be no need to change it. Like the AWB, enough people complained that the law expired. Had we not complained in the first place how would they have known that we didn't want it?


123 posted on 09/29/2004 7:43:33 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: AppyPappy
If the government explicitly has no Constitutional authority to be making the LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE....

Oh.... never mind. You agree with all this crap from the government anyways.

124 posted on 09/29/2004 8:54:54 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Albanian: O Zot! Kam sakice ne koke!)
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To: AppyPappy

actually....the question on ATF review is not law but funding...a hair trickier.


125 posted on 09/29/2004 9:42:37 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: looscnnn

I agree.

We did fine for nearly 200 years with hardly any "gun laws" federally.


126 posted on 09/29/2004 9:43:37 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: mrexitement
Please don't compare US law enforcement agencies to the murderous Gestapo who rounded up innocents for mass murder as a matter of policy. (Yes Waco was a mass murder of civilians, but done due to poor leadership rather than standing policy).

Stop making excuses for the F Troop goons. Waco was but ONE thing they have done. I'd rather deal with the Gestapo than the ATF any day of the week.

127 posted on 09/29/2004 9:45:50 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Centurion2000

The Gestapo didn't start out as an organisation by tossing people in to ovens. First, they were the secret police rounding up "bad guys" as defined by the Reich. Including their gun ban. Sounds familiar no?


128 posted on 09/29/2004 9:51:41 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Albanian: O Zot! Kam sakice ne koke!)
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To: GLSchnJR
"It seems you have failed to remember Waco and Ruby Ridge where Clinton trying to appease his tree hugging friends clearly went over the line! People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons. "

Ruby Ridge was under Pres. Bush, the First - not Clinton.

What do you mean "unregistered" weapons ?

129 posted on 09/29/2004 10:57:55 AM PDT by gatex
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To: jnarcus
"If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor..."

Do you have a reference to the law --( Title and section ) ?

130 posted on 09/29/2004 11:00:54 AM PDT by gatex
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To: SteveH

The ATF is just pissed because they no longer can harass gun owners about cosmetic features.


131 posted on 09/29/2004 11:02:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: gatex
"If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor..."

Do you have a reference to the law --( Title and section ) ?

I think these are state laws. I know New York has one.

132 posted on 09/29/2004 11:02:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz; jnarcus
But jnarcus said --- "...it doesen't matter where you live..."

"If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...doesn't matter where you live. "

133 posted on 09/29/2004 11:10:31 AM PDT by gatex
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To: MileHi
I think the newbler's trying to bait half the forum.

Maybe it's just me...

134 posted on 09/29/2004 3:41:33 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Travis McGee

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/09/58707793.shtml?Element_ID=58707793


135 posted on 09/30/2004 8:58:19 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy

Ten to 15 million criminal invaders over running our country, and look where the fedgov puts their most powerful microscopes and all of their energy.


136 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: gatex
"If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...doesn't matter where you live. "

It doesn't. You can live on Maple Street, or Court Drive, or even at the corner of Juniper Boulevard. You STILL cannot be a violent felon in New York and own body armor.

137 posted on 09/30/2004 9:13:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: mrexitement

"Yes Waco was a mass murder of civilians, but done due to poor leadership"

You are correct, it was poor leadership, but the footsoldiers happily followed the orders of their leadership didn't they?


138 posted on 09/30/2004 9:17:49 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Travis McGee

The more they arrest, the more funding and promotions.

That is juice of law enforcement.


139 posted on 09/30/2004 9:25:02 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: SteveH
Wow, this thread is embarrassing. A government agency prosecutes criminals breaking the law, and a bunch of Freepers call them Nazis. Did I accidentally wander into a MoveOn.Org forum?

Just because you dont agree with a law doesn't give you carte blanche to break it. You have to work within the system. You can bust out all the high-minded rhetoric you want, but if you break the law, you'll be punished, it's simple as that.

Anyone who has the gall to compare our current situation to Nazi Germany is an utter fool. Let me know when you are hiding in your attic because of your ethnic background and being shoved into ovens and being gassed and tortured and experimented on, and then we'll talk. You guys make me sick.
140 posted on 09/30/2004 9:32:18 AM PDT by CaptainJustice
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To: CaptainJustice
"...but if you break the law, you'll be punished,..."

Did FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, who killed Vickie Weaver, at Ruby Ridge, with an un-Constitutional shot from ambush, get punished ?

141 posted on 09/30/2004 2:13:38 PM PDT by gatex
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To: Lazamataz
"It doesn't. You can live on Maple Street, or Court Drive, or even at the corner of Juniper Boulevard. You STILL cannot be a violent felon in New York and own body armor."

I'm willing to bet that New York doesn't even allow violent, non-felon, citizens to own body armor --on those same streets.

142 posted on 09/30/2004 2:18:11 PM PDT by gatex
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To: Lazamataz

If the ATF is making the charge, it's a federal offense, right?


143 posted on 09/30/2004 2:22:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: gatex

What are you talking about! You got the wrong person as I did not post that which you replied!


144 posted on 09/30/2004 7:58:50 PM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: GLSchnJR
You didn't post this (post 19 )?

"To: SteveH
" It seems you have failed to remember Waco and Ruby Ridge where Clinton trying to appease his tree hugging friends clearly went over the line! People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons.. As for passing judgement because of a name! We earned that right 9/11/01. These people were clearly not upstanding people or we would not even be discussing this. Janet Reno violated more civil rights than anyone in recent history yet you fail to mention this.
"
" 19 posted on 05/23/2004 3:20:00 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served) "

145 posted on 09/30/2004 8:26:19 PM PDT by gatex
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To: CaptainJustice
Just because you dont agree with a law doesn't give you carte blanche to break it.

If a future Hillary presidency enacted a total ban on firearms, would you turn yours in?

146 posted on 10/01/2004 8:57:36 AM PDT by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.

"I guess now that the border problem is all fixed ..."

illegal immigrants, illegal weaons transfer...

What part of illegal don't you understand ?


147 posted on 10/01/2004 9:01:01 AM PDT by RS (Just because the Pajama Posse is out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS

I was being sarcastic (months ago when I wrote that). I fully understand what "illegal" means.


148 posted on 10/01/2004 6:48:38 PM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: Centurion2000
It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Yours may be the most ignorant post I have ever read on this site and there have been some real winners.

Your position that you would rather deal with murderers governed by no law and answerable only to themselves with a standing policy to exterminate certain races and political enemies rather than a US law enforcement agency is defensible only to an utter moron such as yourself. If you thought for one second about how stupid your comment was you would be embarrassed and ashamed.

I'll take dealing with a US law enforcement agency and you can deal with the Nazi's. We'll see who ends up in a concentration camp or dead and who will end up in a US court of law with legal representation.

149 posted on 10/02/2004 10:55:45 PM PDT by mrexitement
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To: dljordan
In a combat situation, the troops follow their leaders orders. The footsoldiers were told that Koresh was a cult leader and was abusing children in the compound. Their fellow ATF were killed in the first assault. They wanted payback against what they understood was a cult of child abusing cop killing maniacs.

We only understood after the fact that the ATF leadership was a bunch of idiots who ended up killing by their orders lots off innocent people. You can't blame the footsoldier in this situation just as you can't blame the footsoldier for following what he thought was a lawful order in any combat situation.

150 posted on 10/02/2004 11:03:25 PM PDT by mrexitement
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