- What part of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
"You wait here. I'll tell the warden you're demanding your rifle back."
Posted on 05/22/2004 11:31:33 PM PDT by SteveH
ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Gestapo Alert!)
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040521/clf044_1.html
May 21, 2004
ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation
Friday May 21, 5:17 pm ET
RENO, Nev., May 21 /PRNewswire/ -- John A. Torres, Special Agent In Charge of the San Francisco Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), announced today that ATF agents in California, Nevada, Idaho, Utah and Washington State participated in the arrests of 14 people after a federal grand jury returned indictments charging them with federal firearms violations. All of the defendants were charged with dealing firearms without a license, illegal sales of firearms, possession of unregistered firearms, and possession of firearms by prohibited persons. One of those arrested, Laquan J. Abdulrahim of East Palo Alto, Calif., was also charged with possession of body armor by a violent felon, the first time a defendant in Nevada has been charged with this federal violation. This charge alone carries a maximum penalty of three years in federal prison.
Dubbed "Operation Over The Line," the year-long investigation into the illegal purchasing and trafficking of firearms ultimately led agents to individuals in three other states. During the course of the investigation, more than 400 firearms were seized with dozens more to be retrieved in the near future. ATF undercover agents purchased approximately 30-40 firearms from various individuals, including some that were illegal. The agents purchased firearms from federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) as well as unlicensed dealers.
"Although some of these transactions took place at various gunshows in Nevada, a minority group of people chose to use gunshows as a conduit to conduct their illegal activities," Torres said. "The gun shows were not the target of our investigation."
In addition to the arrest warrants, agents served a federal search warrant at the residence and business of Larry B. Reimer, of Pahrump, Nev. Reimer was arrested pursuant to the grand jury indictments. Reimer, a licensed firearms dealer, was charged with the illegal transfer of a semiautomatic weapon and the illegal sale of a firearm. These charges carry a maximum penalty of five years each in federal prison.
Among the items recovered at another search warrant location in Nevada were a number of firearms, including machine guns, as well as explosive materials.
Torres praised the Reno Police Department, Washoe County Sheriff's Department, the Nevada Highway Patrol, California Highway Patrol, the West Sacramento Police Department and the California Department of Justice for assisting ATF in this investigation.
"ATF will continue to reduce illicit firearms trafficking by investigating individuals who provide firearms to prohibited persons, who deal without a license, and who sell firearms illegally. Working with our state and local partners toward this endeavor will keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," Torres said.
More information on ATF is available at www.atf.gov .
Contacts: Nina S. Delgadillo, PIO, ATF Pager: 888-533-8597 Tom Cannon, Resident Agent In Charge Office Phone: 775-784-5251
Source: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives
Non-citizen criminal invaders have no 2nd amd rights at all. Go troll elsewhere, we have your rap down pat.
So non-citizen criminal invaders (aka misdemeanor economic refugees) have no God-given unalienable right to self-defense, eh? That is what the felonious criminal yahoos thought before they assaulted unarmed women and children and were subsequently thrown in jail for their criminal deeds.
The point is that such a law, if if affects felons who have served their time, including any probationary time, and most especially if the prohibition was not an explicit part the sentence, is a minimum a violation of due process, and arguably of the second amendment as well. But that aside, what is the point? Some former felons, even violent ones (and that can cover way more territory than one might think), may have enemies who want to kill them. If they are going to go back to their old ways, lack of a vest wouldn't stop them. Furthermore the law wouldn't stop them from getting a vest any more than it would stop them from getting a gun if they were so inclined. After all if armed robbery, murder or rape is on ones agenda, and the penalties for second (or additional) offenses of those doesn't deter, the additional penalty for having a gun or a vest are not likely to figure into the calculations much at all.
Your pitiful analogy doesn't hold water. We are talking about people who have gotten out of prison and have completed their sentences, not as your illustration would have it, people still under sentence.
TMG nailed it, CJ is the senior troll around here (trolling since '98), and probably holds the record for having the most conservatives banned. Don't fall into his troll trap!
Cultural Jihad is a her I think.
It is really rather simple....If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...
As tempting as it is, I'll refrain from comment.
LOL....but careful, she is a leader of the PC hall monitor posse.
Meanwhile, in the same year, 50,000 guns exhange hands in Los Angeles County alone, over a bag of weed, some crack, and a couple of fourties.
Somebody tell me how I can get paid so much to accomplish so little. Screw the lottery, this is where the EZ-bucks are.
If they're serious about preventing deaths in areas like East PA, they ought to issue body armour while handing out the free federal cheese.
I find it interesting that so many state legislators and members of Congress feel that local law enforcement agencies shouldn't assist federal immigration agents in locating and arresting illegal aliens because they say immigration is solely a federal matter. And yet these same lawmakers seem to have no problem with local law enforcement agencies assisting the ATF, a federal agency, in a case involving federal firearms violations.
How would you know?
Get yer facts straight: Randy Weaver's family, friend and also a federal agent were killed during Bushie the First's reign(Aug 1992), not Clintoon.
One look at CJ's page suggests something akin to schizophrenia, with a healthy does of anti-liberty. Bushbot, JBT, but much more bizarre.
Creepy.
Ah yes... Ted Kennedy comparing US Soldiers to Saddam's Torturers... appalling. Buchananites comparing the ATF to the Gestapo... damn straight. What I hate most about liberals is their hypocracy. Sad to see it alive and well here on FR.
Know we have a good idea what hell is like. I don't know about you, but I've been "scared straight"! ;^)
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